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  1. What about Prince?  Any potential there?  Don't keep up with the Cavs, at all.  Not a lot of depth at the 3/4.  Seems like he's definitely a better option than Osman and, at this point, Okoro...who, statistically, seems to be playing like a 19-year-old rookie.  



  2. 27 minutes ago, Boozted said:

    I read somewhere that Brook’s was pulling him out because he’d make mistakes on D. Being a young player that doesn’t surprise me.

    At that point though they were clearly still trying to win games though. Getting rid of Porter pretty much sends the message that they’re gonna tank. So now that they’re not trying to win games why wouldn’t they let him play through his mistakes?


    Because for a lot of young players, giving them more time to struggle--especially if they are making the same mistakes or their technique needs to improve--doesn't help them develop. It may even hurt their confidence.


    A good example is John Collins last year.  I had him. He put up decent numbers as it was but everyone kept saying that he was about to explode for the exact same reasons (team is tanking, playing time for the young players is the top priority--30 minutes per game soon!).  He wasn't seeing 30 minutes consistently until the last two weeks of the season.  Obviously, his coach didn't think that giving him a full load of minutes would help him. Look at him now.


    Not saying that the same thing will be true for Bryant.  I'm sure the minutes will go up some.  But it's hardly a guarantee that he'll see a big change.



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  3. On 12/13/2018 at 6:42 PM, L3onD said:

    i drafted him in the 4th round...his adp was 40 something even with an injury


    Right....and at the time of drafts, the injury was not expected to be anything significant. I probably wouldn't have drafted him if I had known it would be a month. Obviously, I'm glad that I didn't know at the time.   



  4. 1 minute ago, unclebengi said:

    His stocks #'s are in line with what he did last year, not on a per minute basis, but we're looking at a super small sample size this year of a player coming off injury.  They'll normalize, but he may never reach 2.5 stocks per game in his career, not really his game imo.


    He averaged 1.6 per game last year in fewer minutes.  Look, I'm not saying that he should be averaging more than 2.0 or something.  There's no justification for expecting that. But I think it is absolutely fair to expect 1.5.


    And yes, I think you are right. They will likely normalize.  You've seen his rebounding numbers do that over the last several games.  I'm just saying that it is fair for roto players to be a little disappointed right now and want more. 

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  5. 6 minutes ago, unclebengi said:

    being mad about stocks with Johnny is stupid.  He can average 20 and 10 with high percentages.  He's a top 35 player over the last week in 8 and 9 cat with no steals.  Stocks are just a bonus with this guy.  4th round value is his floor.


    I think it is fair for roto players to be a little disappointed that he's not doing better than .6 steals + blocks per game.  I was certainly expecting more there.


    That said, I'm H2H...and if he's going to continue to put up scoring and rebounding numbers like this, I'll be plenty happy with my pick. 

  6. I think the lack of consistency is what is driving people crazy.  If he were consistently scoring 12-20 points/night to average 16.6, you wouldn't see many complaints--maybe some mild disappointment.  The wild fluctuation (six single-digit scoring nights in a month) creates a lot more frustration.  And the fact that those games have come in stretches (this week and the first week of Nov) mean that his lack of scoring has probably cost some people one or two games. 


    For all the talk about him not being aggressive enough, if you take out the 1-shot and 3-shot games earlier this month, he's putting up as many shots as he did last year.  The problem the last week has been that they aren't falling for him.

  7. On 11/24/2018 at 1:41 AM, ComeOnAndSlam said:

    He's looking like a poor man's Blake Griffin at the moment with the way he's being used.  Guard-like skills in a big.


    That's way too complimentary.  Blake puts up numbers across the board.  Owners would LOVE for him to be a poor man's Blake. 


    In terms of numbers, the worry is that that he's more like a poor man's Dirk. 



  8. Obviously, he's just getting his legs back under him....but damn, I would feel a lot more encouraged if I saw a big rebounding number with some steals and blocks next game.  I'm not expecting huge things from him in those categories or anything.  But he's got to average 7-8 boards/night and put up 1.5 combined in steals/blocks. 


    My concern when I drafted him was that he would play away from the rim too much and only score points.  The points will be solid but nowhere near enough to carry him to his expected value without solid rebounding and defensive numbers.



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  9. Holding because he's still good enough to roster in a daily league with an outside chance of turning things on.  But I'm not expecting things to get much better.


    I'm expecting one good line every 4 games or so (like he had against Memphis last week), an occasional big game every few weeks (Boston 10 days ago)....but mostly what we've seen the last few games


    The value you are getting him for where you picked him up is probably fine.  I just don't think he's going to amount to the "steal" that I expected. 


  10. 33 minutes ago, thebigbite said:

    İ traded collins for Pascal today.... Just didnt have ir spot open. Couldnt wait for Collins anymore....what do you guys say?


    I have both. 


    It depends on your scoring system, team, and situation. 


    If you flat out couldn't afford to wait on Collins, then yeah, it's fine.  Collins will put up better numbers simply because of guaranteed usage.  You also have no idea when he will come back.


    I think Siakam's ceiling for this season (without injuries to others) is probably what you see right now...which is good--just inconsistent usage and minutes (through no fault of his own).  Obviously, the shooting percentage has nowhere to go but down but the per game numbers may stay the same. The number of mouths to feed that Toronto has concerns me a bit as far as his usage goes.  It certainly looks like his minutes and touches are going to fluctuate based on the opponent.  I'm in a keepers league, so I am definitely holding onto him all season and seeing what his situation is next year. 


    So, Collins has a lot more upside this year....and a higher floor if he's healthy. But I couldn't blame you for not feeling like you can wait until December for him to come back. 


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  11. 11 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said:

    Weird. Everyone focuses on Ingles' shooting. I guess he brings it upon himself with his comments, but the 4+ assists per game and 1.6 steals this year are pretty sweet too. Even the 4 and a half boards work.


    Yeah....but all of the other stats are about what you would have expected from him, so it isn't like he's vastly overachieving in other categories to make up for the lack of scoring over the last 9 games.


    He's been fine for the spot where most probably drafted him....but he hasn't amounted to the "steal" that people anticipated before the season. 


    I think it is fine to have a little concern and be a bit aggravated over his performance.  Any talk about dropping him is ridiculous, though. 

  12. 9 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:


    Simple variance. 



    You mean the variance is random?

    Variance just refers to difference.  The question is what is responsible for variance.  Variance can be random or occur because of certain factors. 


    This is not random.  Random would be an occasional poor shooting effort surrounded by an occasional great shooting effort and a bunch of average ones.  This is a stretch of 9 games in which he has one game that could be described as "decent" and 8 that are bad. The problem has been the lack of variance over the last 9 games. 


    At this point, it is a trend.  The question is for how long.  And if it is due to something that can easily be fixed (e.g., focus, shot selection) or something that is more difficult to fix (e.g., opponents, teammates, game plan). 


    I suspect he will be fine and that this is just a slump....but this isn't just a bad game or two. 

  13. 27 minutes ago, JStyles said:

    This happened for a few weeks last year from memory, perhaps in January? Then snapped out of it and went HAM the rest of the season.



    Kind of.  Basically at the exact same time as this last year.  It wasn't this bad, though.  He attempted 8-9-5-5 shots in a four-game stretch....but he was tossed after 12 minutes in that last one.  He had a 7-shot game a week or so later (against Gobert) and a 6-shot game against the Warriors earlier that month.  Most of those games were blowouts, though.  Plus, he scored in double figures in a few of those games because he got to the line.


    He rolled his ankle and sat a large chunk of December, then came back on fire. 


    It definitely wasn't this extreme. 


    When Barton and Thomas come back, Jokic is really going to have to assert himself to get the 13-14 shots/game that he needs to take.

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  14. I drafted him and was extremely high on him before the season after he came up big for me last year. 


    I believe he will be fine.  The rebounds, assists, and defensive numbers are where I expected.  And he's getting the shots. 


    But I am starting to worry a little. What's going on with his shot?  You take away the first two games and he's been straight up bad.  Below 30 percent from 3 point range and about 35 percent overall. 


    I don't see many Jazz games, so not sure what to attribute that to.  I don't think a guy can shoot as well as he did all of last season if it is a fluke. Are his shots more contested (i.e., people know his spots and are keeping him away from them or able to get a hand in his face)?  Or is this just a slump? 


  15. Got him late in my draft.  Had him last year after picking him up in January.  I love this guy in fantasy b'ball and real-life b'ball.  He plays like a crafty old dude that you would play church basketball against.  Add onto that that the dude talks as much trash as anyone in the NBA.  


    Ridiculously underrated in ESPN's projections.  13.0, 6.4, 4.4, 1.2 STL, 0.4 BLK, 2.4 3PM after the All-Star break and could not have been more consistent.  You were guaranteed good points from the guy every night.  I don't see why the numbers would go down. He will still get plenty of burn to contribute. He's not going to be a key contributor for a contender.  But for a solid, young team that is trying to become a contender, he's damn good to have around. If his points go down, he will pick it up somewhere else.  



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  16. 23 hours ago, ItaliaBBALL said:

     It baffles me that the tanking Hawks have not started him since his injury...


    That's the problem, though. The premise that Collins will "break out" is based on the belief that every coach thinks that just throwing a young guy out on the floor to play big minutes is the best thing for his development. That is not always the right move, especially for a big guy who has to get used to the physicality of the NBA and the wear and tear over an 82-game schedule.

  17. 2 hours ago, RipCity0 said:


    10/7 with a block on solid %s isn't production? Not everyone here plays in 10 team leagues. If it was Isaac I would agree that you cannot just say wait until, but Collins is ALREADY a top100 player. Maybe someone needs to attach it on the top of every page of this topic.


    Referring more to people expecting a breakout from where he is now. He’s still on my team, and I’m fine with that. In h2h, the one night a week I may need him, he does enough and he has some potential for upside. I don’t need much from that roster spot.


    I’m just not expecting the 27-30 min/game explosion, and it’s funny to me that people have been holding him in anticipation of that since November. 


  18. 1 hour ago, ROTY said:

    There are plenty of other rookies playing 25-30 min, why would JC be incapable? Your statement is pure bs


    1.  Not what I said. I said that it’s crazy to think that playing a raw, 19 (edit 20) year old PF/center tweeter is a priority this year for a coach. Didn’t say he’s incapable. Hell, I literally said he may get 25 minutes by March. But you are crazy if you think Bud has “Get Collins more minutes” written as a priority. Most of Collins’ development will come in practice and the offseason.


    2. Regardless, let’s take your point anyway. 

    -Plenty?  There’s 8...and this is one of the deepest draft classes in a long time. Pretty much all of the rookies playing that much are older and/or guards or wings. The one big (Lauri) can shoot. 


    Transitioning to the NBA is extremely hard for younger big guys and getting 25-30 minutes is rare. Most of the ones that did have had more skill and/or size than Collins. Collins is a project, and it may be that Bud does not feel like throwing him in the fire for more than low-20s minutes most nights is beneficial for his development or the franchise if he has bodies to run out there. 



  19. Man. This thread won’t stop. People won’t give up!  I hope none of you have actually needed production from his roster spot. 


    No smart coach is in a hurry to throw a raw 19 yo rookie center out there for 25-30 minutes/game....even tanking. That’s not necessarily good for Collins’ development. 


    By March, he may get up to 25 minutes or so—depending on injuries and trades. But I can’t believe some are still saying “Just wait until...” in anticipation for a breakout. 






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