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  1. I agree with your buddy in theory; talk of him coming up wouldn't be an option had they been a sub 500 team; however, the fact that they have a chance to win now changes everything. Might see a cup of coffee on September 1st. As some have mentioned McCullers was a bit of a surprise, Velázquez more so.

    Any rumors of him getting called up? My buddy says he's a 110% sure he will. I just don't see him making the jump. They still got Carter, Gattis, and Singleton. Not that they are anything great but why start the clock?

    September playing time will not net a super 2.

    No, but it makes gaining an extra year of FA very difficult with every day he plays in 2015. If the Astros let him sit all of 2015, they can basically sit him just under 3 weeks next year and get the extra year before FA hits. While HOU is in win-now mode, they have always been smart at the business angle of service time too. A potentially bigger issue is that Reed isn't even on the 40-man roster, so they'd have to cut someone to make room. Now, in fantasy terms, we always look at guys on the 40-man roster and say someone can be cut, but in real-life terms, those 40 guys usually have more value to organizations than we see.

    Given the above, seems way more likely the late April 2016 ETA is in play. Guess we find out tomorrow (when there really is no reason to hold him back if they are thinking this year - if we don't see it, doubt we see anything until the 'Stros get 1 more year of service time under their belt next season).

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  2. For fantasy purposes why is he not ranked higher? Sounds like Billy Hamilton at short, which would be fantasy gold. Probably #1 on my list to draft next year.

    Probably because you can run wild with raw speed in A-ball. And you can get on base with bad D's a lot easier.

    From the sounds of the scouting reports, his approach at the plate needs work, and he's still not elite at his reading/jumps. He's not getting caught because he's uber-fast. Again, that doesn't work nearly as well once you hit the Big Show.

    Given how many SS have graduated, after the obvious suspects (Seagar, Crawford and a rising Arcia), he's part of an exciting crop of SS's (Albies & Torres stand out, not sure if Guerra's power spike is just a product of his home park or not). He's likely go the highest ceiling out of all those guys simply because he looks to stick at SS and a 10-15 HR, 60+ SB is gold at that position, but the hit tool / batting eye are the most exploitable weaknesses hitters can have as they move up the ladder. So I get the tempered enthusiasm.

    A major difference in Mateo's favor is that his hand-eye coordination for contact looks strong - so at least he's not a swing-and-miss guy by skills, and has at least average pop (so he won't get crowded by OF's cheating on his bloop hits like with so many speed-only Punch and Judy hitters) But until the approach catches up, it's hard to see him as a lock - but the ceiling is so tantalizing you can't ignore him, would be shocked if he's not on the preseason top 75 lists (somewhere in the 60-75 range would be my guess). But calling him elite, given where his weaknesses lie, and the competition he's faced, I understand why the lack of elite buzz is there. Having said that, if you don't have him by now, the cost of acquiring him is skyrocketing (it's one thing to not be elite, but quite another to not have him, or have to acquire him).

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  3. This is low-A - so he's got to make the jump to Hi-A, then AA/AAA. And there are clear flaws to his hitting skills at this stage (low BB rate, no power), that will get unmasked even more at higher levels.

    If he was up by 2017 it would be a huge bonus. 2018 way more likely. Frankly, you want him to get all of the issues straightened out in the minors - a Billy Hamilton level SB guy at SS is gold. Give him the Reyes skills in other areas (XBH's, .avg) with Hamilton SB-ceiling (I realize Reyes used to be that guy too), well, wow. But literally miles away, and a couple of major hurdles to cross. For now, one can only dream at his ceiling (but the floor is still uber-low, too).

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  4. At work, so rather than re-type from the 2015 Breakout thread (which only lasts a year)...

    From the international-so-young-when-signed-they-are-only-now-hitting-the-radar:

    ....

    Jorge Mateo SS NYY - my favorite SS breakout, advanced feel for contact, true 80 speed, and unlike most SS/MI candidates, average power - the NYY media like most major markets tends to overhype guys like these, only having been in rookie-ball/low-A, but the Reyes skill set ceiling is fair (also miles away, so lots of risk, like with Albies, but when you draft in dynasties, going for the gold better than going for lower-ceiling guys if they're all far away).

    ....

    The hype machine on Mateo will be nuts if he can keep a good eye and decent contact skills, because he's a true 80 speed player, and he looks to actually have an idea on basestealing, which translates to season-leader, difference-maker-on-his-own type speed. The Reyes skill set comps are going to be repeated over & over (somewhat misleading, as Mateo is incredibly raw at D, and won't have the switch-hitter advantage, either, but the speed/run/OBP skills do favor well with a Reyes ceiling, with average power he sure looks incredibly promising).

    Mateo may not be showing any power right now, but it's the projection of average power, and the ability to stick at SS, and his age at the level he's playing at, all of which really separates him, given he has legit bat skills, and true 80, elite speed. A true SB-overall-leader ceiling with the potential for 10-15 HR at SS? Truly elite ceiling. Just keep in mind it's literally 2-3 years off at the earliest.

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  5. I would just love to see him and Strasburg go back-to-back in a meaningful short playoff series (say, 2016).

    ETA mid-2016 after Super-2, hands down best stuff in the MILB by far. True legit ace ceiling. FB and curve are already plus-plus pitches. Very good control, now just needs a little more command (which should improve now that he's 2 years post-TJS, last year he pitched under the 18-month window when full command returns IIRC), and the change is actually already OK - but it could be an actual plus pitch. If that happens, well, that's just unfair...but would be fun to watch. :lol:

    Most likely finishes year with AA, and then gets the AA/AAA treatment next season before post-Super 2 callup, if it all goes to plan (and so far, he's gone exactly as planned post-TJS). Nats gambled big, and hit home runs big-time with Rendon (when he fell to them) and then Giolito (mid-1st with TJS risk). That's how you build dynasties, hats off to their scouting division (Stras was a lock pick, so can't say they were brilliant, just in the right place at the right time there, but I digress).

  6. Forum order has been changed based on the changing pattern of traffic volume in the Forums - Admins have indicated baseball is now 3rd in Forum overall traffic at this time of year as the other sports ramp up their draft season (hoops is really gaining in popularity it seems), hence the change in order.

  7. As many have said, the great thing about only leagues, is just the depth to which you must go in the guys drafted. I was in an AL-Only league, 12 owners in the mid 1990's. Auction, roto 23 active spots, 2 catchers, a 2-C league thats 24 catchers when you have 14 total with a starting job. It is crazy the guys you get excited about, the little things.

    There are 42 Starting OF, we need 60.

    If a guy simply HAD a starting job, that made him extremely valuable in that format.

    Only leagues have a couple issues:

    1. The Trade thing - if it isnt done right, it can be a league killer. I personally make guys coming over as frozen, cant be picked up and guys traded away their stats keep running that season. As a commish and league you have to think the intent of the "only" format is to go deeper in your player pool not have the outcome altered because your guy gets dealt away or you drop some long reliever for Doug Fister.

    Is there even a way to do that in like yahoo or espn leagues or do you have to have some other less used system?

    It's a standard in paysites - CBS, Fantrax & OnRoto all have that feature.

  8. It's a bigger challenge. Anyone can play a 10 team mixed league and win because the waiver wire is always stacked with good players. Playing in an only league takes that away since there is pretty much no one on the wire most of the year. Playing a deep only league adds the extra challenge of finding the gems. It's more fun that mixed leagues IMO. My NL only league is by far my favorite league I play in.

    I understand now the why for the first time. But playing in a 16 to 20 team (or more) mixed league does the same thing.

    After playing in an AL only league two years ago that became one first and last adventure into Onlyland. Too few owners to make trades with. Too few teams to play against. So I prefer a deeper mixed league myself because I like it harder to find the players and an interesting FA pool full of possibilities more than names. And plugged into all of baseball and not just half of it.

    So since you can get those same values in mixed leages, is it that Only league owners prefer fewer teams in a league? I could see it if a league was built just around some friends in real life. But if not, is there any reason then the one above to prefer it?

    In the old days when there was no inter-league play and less access to games from the "other" league in a person's viewing area and the net was still very young, It makes sense. But now everyone pretty much can see any player any time or at least do good research on them.

    Also what Bud said about trades to another league. That must be horrible for the owner of a Fister or Trumbo (or an actual consistent hitter, just grabbing a guy on the fly). Plus in season trades would be really rough.

    Having played AL-only for 20+ years until last season, I can tell you that having a smaller league with owners you know was the main driving force at that time. Plus, remember that a smaller league also allows a lot of them to do LIVE drafts, or live auctions - which is still the most fun way to draft - it's just logistically difficult, if not impossible to get 16+ owners (even 12 is a challenge) to be available at the same time. Plus, to reiterate a point I alluded to in 2012 - I'd rather play in an AL-only league with 8 owners who are all active and committed than play in a 16-20 team mixed league where 5-6 owners mail it in (along with live draft logistics, those are the 2 major points in favor of keeping AL-only or NL-only leagues).

    Re: being traded away to the to the other league, most sites allow you to count the stats of players in the other league for the rest of the season. It sucks from a keeper perspective, but there's no reason why trades should affect the outcomes for the current year anymore. Those are antiquated rules, well before advances in league scoring tracking allowed players to stay as counting (for the first 10+ years, most FFB stats were done by HAND from Baseball Weekly monthly stat calculation. :blink:).

  9. Left his start today after only 8 pitches. A's announcing that he suffered a strained trap muscle

    Here we go again with this guy

    Left his start today after only 8 pitches. A's announcing that he suffered a strained trap muscle

    Here we go again with this guy

    Ah hell...

    lol and here comes the injuries already

    How do you strain your RIGHT trapezius muscle...as a left-handed pitcher?

    That update can't be right if he was pitching - was he at the plate when this happened? If it was on the mound, a contralateral injury would be freakish....

    Collision at 3rd base. Well, truly unfortunate, and since it's not his left arm/side, hopefully a quick recovery...hopefully.

  10. Left his start today after only 8 pitches. A's announcing that he suffered a strained trap muscle

    Here we go again with this guy

    Left his start today after only 8 pitches. A's announcing that he suffered a strained trap muscle

    Here we go again with this guy

    Ah hell...

    lol and here comes the injuries already

    How do you strain your RIGHT trapezius muscle...as a left-handed pitcher?

    That update can't be right if he was pitching - was he at the plate when this happened? If it was on the mound, a contralateral injury would be freakish....

  11. The main reasons to do AL/NL only have been pointed out. But I think the key point deserves repeating:

    1. Better to have 8-10 committed owners in an AL/NL only than 12-16-20 where 6-7 guys are not as involved. Frankly I'd rather be in a 8-team AL only than a 12-team mixed if it means having 8 hardcore owners.

    2. Depth of knowledge is rewarded. It doesn't mean mixed league 12-teamers with <300 total players require less skill - but it does require less roster depth awareness, unless you expand rosters significantly. And yes, you can increase roster size to counter the difference and narrow the gap.

    Frankly, when looking at format, most people look at it the wrong way IMO - people spends hours arguing about best formats - the best format is the one that fits the people who are playing in your league. If your league is made up entirely of hardcore baseball fans that want to watch every game and have every game mean something - and you ONLY have 8-12 owners - play AL-only or NL-only. Way better than finding 4-6 other owners who are more casual.

    If your league is more casual knowledge/commitment wise in ownership makeup (friends-only, work) - don't do a league format where you have a crazy separation in knowledge. That won't be fun for everyone - and eventually the league will either die or a major change in ownership makeup will be needed. If you can get 18-20 committed owners, then go nuts with a mixed league if you want to - but that's a tall order, too.

    Frankly, it's more important that each league figure out the format that gives the most fun and the best balance of rewarding knowledge vs. providing a format that doesn't separate the smartest owners from the less experienced/knowledgeable ones to such an extreme owners have no shot to compete. Of course, that also means having a solid & committed group. And that begins with figuring out your league-mates interests & values. Again, give me 8-10 committed owners over a 12-16 team league with 4-6 less involved owners every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    I've played AL-only for 20+ years - had a blast playing in 8-10 team formats. But it's more about being a league you enjoy & owners you enjoy competing against. My 20-team, 500 MLB & 300 MILB player dynasty league is as much fun, as is my 12-team, 336-player redraft league - because of the ownership is just as hardcore in both leagues. That's the key to depth/skill. Choosing the format that allows you to have/keep the best ownership and not dilute a league with a gap between owners' commitment is the bigger lesson I've learned. If you just want a social league - nothing wrong with any format. If you to go deeper with a small number of hardcore baseball fans - go AL/NL-only. There is no doubt AL/NL-only requires more depth of knowledge - but it's the skill/experience level of your ownership that creates the real sense of satisfaction of doing well.

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  12. Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with every single one of these. Clay is a good young pitcher, but he will be drafted for last year's numbers, and frankly, he won't deliver even close to those. Not with that K-Rate.

    As I mentioned earlier, I don't dislike Sanchez's value. But, this is the + I probably disagree most. He has a great K-Rate and I am a total sucker for high-K pitchers. However, his FIP was right in line with his career average last year, and yet this was his best ERA yet. By far. He walked 4 and a half guys per nine innings last year. Look for that WHIP and ERA to do some major regression. He will have a good K-Rate but look for an ERA more around 4.

    I love Hellickson. I am a Rays fanboy and I have a mancrush on Hellickson. But he will be overvalued this year. Guaranteed. Think Brett Anderson last year.

    I also disagree on Hamels. He had a K-Rate over 9 last year, he has had a FIP under 4 for 5 straight years, and most notably.......he is the FOURTH STARTER on his team. You realize what kind of goobers he will be facing? He will definitely improve on those 12 wins.

    I agree on the points about Buchholz & Hellboy being overvalued, and I think Buchholz will likely be somewhere around a top 30-35 pitcher - but he's going to be drafted as a top 20 SP (although it's finally starting to head down), so there's little value to be had. Both will be great long-term plays (as Buchholz's progression is coming, and Hellboy is just starting at the MLB level with great tools & makeup), but the redraft ADP so far is killing their value for 2011.

    Re: Hamels, I was down on him to start 2010 value-wise, until he developed a 3rd pitch. Well, he did a good job of that, and also found more velocity (which was unexpected). I do think he's going to be undervalued slightly, but I don't put as much stock into the 1st vs. 4th starter angle, for one simple reason - other than the first couple weeks of the season, and then the first 10 days or so after the All-Star Break (when teams reset their rotations), many teams are not in sync rotation-wise. Because of different days off, pitchers being pushed back, being the Opening Day starter might mean you face the other team's ace 9-10x - but it's not like a playoff setting, where #4's face #4's, etc.

    I do think people look too hard at W's and #'s beyond a pitcher's control, so guys like Hamels & Tommy Hanson are going to be undervalued somewhat - but because they play for contenders, that nudges them up, and negates some of the difference. I just don't put as much stock into the #1, #2, #3, #4 slotting. I do think #5 makes a difference - but because of the risk of skipped starts and being pushed back from a 2-start week into a 1-start week.

  13. Some more excellent & thoughtful discussion, thank you all.

    I agree with most of this post...especially the part in bold. Often times when a player is really struggling (especially pitchers) is when you hope to get some decent insight from their player thread.

    One of the great things about this board is that you are guaranteed to have at least a couple of posters watching a game live and they can provide a timely firsthand account of what really happened which you can't get from a box score or stattracker. If one of my starters is getting bombed and I'm not able to watch it, I appreciate knowing whether or not he was locating his pitches, velocity was down, defense not helping him out, etc. It does get a bit frustrating when you have to browse through a bunch of "Pitcher X sucks" posts to obtain real insight. I think the Ricky Nolasco thread this year was a great example of this. Early on, it was a very good back and forth on what was really going on with him. As his struggles persisted the thread went way downhill. As a positive note however, the good analysis in that thread probably played a role in my decision to hang onto him after he got sent down and that patience is paying dividends now.

    One observation I had today is that in years past it seemed like we used to have a lot more Game Threads going for high interest matchups or game threads that would open up in the middle of games. I liked these threads because it kind of consolidated the excited/disgruntled posts that were spur of the moment reactions and didn't really offer much analysis. It seemed like we would then get more insightful analysis written up in the Player Threads and less of the other stuff.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Just a note - the Gameday threads do seem to work well, especially for the high-publicity matchups for the "in" prospects, or guys coming off injury (Nolasco, Smoltz, etc.). I think it applies best to pitchers - really, hitters only get 4-5 PA's in most games, so it's not the same as 5-9 IP for a pitcher. And, to be clear, these can be started for any matchup. If we had Gameday threads for each game, however, it would defeat the purpose - but yeah, it's worked very well. Of course, it requires members to actually start & contribute updates in those GD threads to make it worthwhile, too - but when they do, it provides a great outlet to allow owners to celebrate/commiserate, and then get the player threads back to more on-topic and enduring discussion (not just the events of that single day).

    Of course I could be wrong, but I can't imagine that's true. Do people really care about their post count? It's quality, not quantity. I know some guys with a low count that I can rely on for valuable information, and there's a couple guys that have very high counts that offer very little.

    Are the "Davis K'd again, he sucks" posts annoying? Sure. Do all the "ZORILLA!" posts have no value? Yes. But I think the expectation that this will just be a board where people discuss BABIP and LD% is just not realistic. Some come here for just information. But some come here for enterntainment. It's supposed to be fun. Frankly, I do both. And I think the board can be both. And I think that's where the board is at it's best.

    As in any group, I believe that 99 percent of the membership don't really post for numbers. That doesn't mean *everyone* doesn't. I'm sure there are members who are influenced by the desire to increase post count, but really, most of us could care less (one important exception might be the # required to put up avatars, LOL). And frankly, if a poster simply posts solely just to beef up their numbers, frankly the community will probably recognize the value that these posts provide.

    Most of the community would agree that they are willing to trust/listen to the opinion of someone they can get a read on - familiarity does matter, that's human nature. But, that doesn't mean that post count gives more credibility and/or respect - we've seen very insightful posts from people who just joined the Forums, and we've also seen those who've been around who must have had a brain cramp that day. Most members don't simply judge members by the # posts made, but rather by the content in them.

    Finally, a point 2balls has touched on which deserves repeating - posting is done for different reasons for different posters. Sometimes it's to learn more, and to seek out new information. Other times, it's to celebrate, or as is the case, to commiserate. And that's OK - as long as the two aren't in competition. The increasing popularity of FBB and RW Forums means that we have a much larger population - and that means more people with different goals. Some of the conflicts arise when members with different goals collide - and there, it's important to recognize the differences. At the same time, any time members are offered the chance to engage, and choose not to, well it's an opportunity lost. sdbolt's example of Nolasco is where the two types of posts *can indeed mix*. I applaud glascock9 for having a civil and respectful disagreeement with others on Nolasco's value - and he had the maturity to come back both when Nolasco struggled and when Nolasco showed signs of recovery. *THAT* is the type of discussion in which the community benefits - not the "I'm right/You're completely wrong" arguments which many discussions seem to take on tone-wise, which many have commented on here already.

    It doesn't mean that in-depth discussion has to happen *all* the time. I recall an occasion where a poster said "Player X sucks", and another poster simply said "Really? He's actually been OK...<and then gave some info>" - and to which the other poster said, "Just venting, it's just frustrating to own a guy like this". To me, *that* wasn't in-depth, but it was far more productive than a hit-and-run post with a refusal to engage, even when asked. And no, the CoC doesn't require it - but since this is a thread on how the Forums can be better for everyone, the original point brought up by Czar & echoed by others ought to be recognized. Just because posters have different goals doesn't mean dialogue can't still take place - and I believe that's the original point Czar & many others have touched on.

    Excellent discussion, everyone.

  14. OK guys, before this goes any further, let's be very clear on 1 point - the Code of Conduct does not allow *any* personal attacks - that is what *every* poster agrees to. It is the basis on how RW Forums creates an open and welcoming atmosphere for *ALL* members who wish to speak & discuss fantasy sports.

    Forum posting does not invoke the right to free speech, if it involves personal attacks, or anything else that is against the Forum Rules/CoC. That is non-negotiable. It is the basis that separates this Forum from the flamefests, trolling and chaos on other sites that have been referenced by others. All members who agree to be members also do so with the understanding that the CoC and Board Rules will be governed - and this part is not up for discussion. There are many parts that are - and thus the thread here.

    Taking off the Mod hat, since I'm here, I would like to thank those who have chosen to post constructively and thoughtfully on this very subject. I would also like to thank Czar for bringing this topic up.

    I think the issue of negativity can be summed by 3 insightful posts below:

    I agree that we can clean it up a bit. We gotta remember that it's okay to disagree though. If everyone agreed on everything, there'd be no reason to discuss and if the board gets too "cushy" then we start getting "group think" forums rather than helping anyone. The big thing for me is to make a constructive argument rather than an argument that lacks basis. Not every post should be a book, but at least intelligent.

    Peace be the journey fellas. I'm not sure what White Sox means as an opinion either, but I think the inference is obvious. It means he thinks the White Sox sucks. How that applies to previous posts I don't know, but its an opinion non-the-less and should be taken as such. Some may not agree with the post, or how it was stated, but c'est la vie. The person who posted that may be saying the same thing about what we think are amazing, insightful posts.

    We play this game because we are emotionally involved. If we didn't love it, we wouldn't play. But we need to control our emotions, and understand that we are playing a game within a game, and not take things personally when people disagree with you. One of the main problems that I continuously see is that when two posters disagree, they feel that they must win the arguement and convince the other poster to see things there way. It rarely if ever works that way, and we need be ok with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with us.

    The whole point of this thread is that we need to stop arguing and start debating. We worry too much about semantics sometimes.

    I agree with that 100%. I was a lot more active last year (oh the difference that one year will make) and I now find myself ignoring debates because I know that it will end up spiraling into some angry attack and my opinion will be considered wrong (because these days it would seem that there is such a thing as a "wrong" opinion...). Needless to say, the quality of my posts has plummeted and when I realize what I'm putting out there to you guys, it's pointless or vague. I don't consider myself to be a pointless or vague individual.

    We need to learn to stick to the topic and steer away from personal attacks. I sent a PM to one of our fellow Rotoworldians the other day just mentioning that the way his post was written detracted from the overall quality of the debate. I found it important to point out to him because he IS a quality poster and he clearly knows his stuff.

    What I'm trying to say here is that there are a lot of us on here who write in a way that may come off as aggressive or condescending and we really need to put any personal stuff in check. If Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream" speech but started it by saying "Hey white people, you think you're so hot?!", it would take the attention away from the ultimate message and would put strain on the negativity. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth and starts everything off on the wrong foot. You always forget the driver who let you in but you never forget the driver who cut you off (if that analogy makes sense).

    Remember, I may not be perfect but I'm nearly certain that you aren't either. Deal with it and let's play ball!

    1. We should not confuse disagreement with negativity. Too many posters who offer a dissenting view are labelled as being negative and told to leave threads - and that's not only unfortunate, that's also not permissable under the CoC. Disagreement, when done in a civil and respectful manner, with both sides listenting, well it's how the community grows. 3 times 2nd is dead on about groupthink, a point acknowledged by Czar. Conversely, we have posters who do nothing but point out their side, and seem unwilling to engage in actual dialogue, even when given an invitation by others - and that does little to add to any conversation.

    2. Just because posters disagree doesn't mean that there is entirely a right & wrong side - we often argue about semantics. But, as WCMets alluded to, we see an increasing trend towards people who have to argue, even bringing up the *same* arguments over & over. In the end, neither side *has* to agree - there's always the choice to agree to disagree. But, at the same time, we often fail to acknowledge there is validity to both sides - and that would go a long way to more productive conversations.

    3. In the end, there will be posters who offer little but venting/frustration/anger in some of their posts. That's understandable. But if they fail to engage in a serious conversation when offered the chance, well what happens? Under the CoC and Board Rules, as long as the posters are civil & respectful, and abide by the CoC, as mentioned above, well, there's no need to engage further. And there's certainly *no justification* for escalating - every poster has the option to take the high road, or even in the most extreme cases, put posters on "ignore". It's not ideal, as in the end, conversation won't happen if people just ignored each other. It's why point #2 is so important, as the point by bob stephen - before looking to the other side's faults, make sure *you're* doing your part to ensure a productive conversation - in the end, it's the only thing you can control.

    Again, thanks all to those for the constructive comments.

  15. Round 5:

    49 - HighLanderZ - Lee Evans (BUF)

    50 - Dr Mcsexy - Willie Parker (PIT)

    51 - RotoRaysFan - Jerricho Cotchery (NYJ)

    52 - Boz - Plaxico Burress (NYG)

    53 - MustacheToes - Selvin Young (DEN)

    54 - GBPig - Dwayne Bowe (KC)

    55 - Gonzo - Kevin Smith (DET)

    56 - dodgerblues - Greg Jennings (GB)

    57 - sLim - Ronnie Brown (MIA)

    58 - ArizonaSamson - Marvin Harrison (IND)

    59 - nickalero - Torry Holt (STL)

    60 - spundin - Roddy White (ATL)

    Round: 6

    61- spundin - Ted Ginn Jr. (MIA)

    62 - nickalero - Eli Manning (NYG)

    63 - ArizonaSamson -

    64 - sLim -

    65 - dodgerblues -

    66 - Gonzo -

    67 - GBPig -

    68 - MustacheToes -

    69 - Boz -

    70 - RotoRaysFan -

    71 - Dr Mcsexy -

    72 - HighLanderZ -

    Back for a while, going well. Can someone text me if I don't post within about 10 mins after being OTC? It means I'm spending "quality time" with the missus!

  16. Boz goes with Plaxico Burress, we're moving now. After a fit of swearing, MT goes with Selvin Young.

    Someone text KG & GBPig (or turdburglar) , they're coming up soon.

    Off to my kid's daycare BBQ (oh joy), then the emergency laundry run, so someone text me when my turn comes up - I'll have my lists / cell on. I will check back in before I leave for laundry, to update the lists - wouldn't want someone to develop carpal tunnel syndrome from having to to text me 2 rounds worth of picks, LOL.

  17. DAMN YOU!

    I really was hoping Witten would slide to me, just couldn't pass up on what is hopefully the last elite QB off the board.

    Well, all of you gents took the high-upside WR's, so no way I'm getting stuck with a mediocre TE. Once Williams & Holmes went, I figured it was time to look elsewhere for quality. Kinda glad Gonzo took Gates, I would have had a hard time passing him up, but I kinda like the idea of Romo-to-Witten on my team. Of course, maybe you get to play me on Week 10, when both are on the bench, too.

    (HMM, maybe I shouldn't have said that *before* I saw the schedule come out to the guy in charge of our league, LOL).

    In any case, like I said before, door's always open for trade talk later this season. B)

  18. Question gents. Do we start our own bonus player every week or is he the highest scorer off the bench? And to doublecheck WR/RB only, no QB as a bonus player?

    We pick our bonus player, and yes, it must be a RB/WR, otherwise we'd have picked a lot more QB's already.

    (I normally play in a 2 QB league).

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