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  1. 1 hour ago, MJJ28 said:

    I think Shoe lost his boasting privileges in this thread when he admitted to buying Penny in his auction at cost, wasting a roster slot on Davis, and dropping Carson week 10. Probably not best to throw stones in here when it cannot possibly get worse than that. Ouch.

    C’mon now...I’m sure he made worse moves.

  2. 1 hour ago, dashoe said:

    and we still dont know  his league size 6-8-12-etc, scoring format and  # of roster positions but we do know that he says he knew that carson was a  consistent and reliable rb2 he dropped for a "short bench" but wont say how short the bench was. . . 😂

    I did not say that I knew anything beyond him being a wildcard draft pick could bring great reward...on my bench.  

    You’re the one who bought him to be a starter, then dropped him AFTER he turned the corner.

    Priceless!  

    😂

     

  3. 5 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

    Maybe if you don't understand it you call it confusing rather than misleading? It's a bit nicer.

    What I was trying to do was to compare seasons that are very different. Some guys scored much better at the end than at the start (Henry, Carson) while others were up and down throughout the season (AP, Cohen). In order to compare them, I try to find out how many bad, medium or great games they have; so for each player I sort the points ascending. For Cohen and Carson for instance that would be:

    image.png.0c9554ef9e20bb1f36553a3f35123f6b.png

    What you can see now is that their best and worst games are more or less similar, but Carson had more 10+ games.

    How is that relevant to the graph I showed? Well, let's add Saquon (RB2) and Latavius Murray (RB32), who both had 16 games.

    image.png.26cd3afdb1b8eaf6f07b43e93ffb6d83.png 

    You can now clearly see that Cohen and Carson had similar profiles (Carson slightly better), especially compared to Barkley and Murray. So based on this I agreed with MJJ that yes, seen over the whole season, looking back, they were similar. 

    *They were similar at the beginning also for std scprong, which is why if my League (with a short bench) I was able to pick up Cohen @ the same time I dropped Carson...potato potato.

    Thanks for acknowledging that the angle of scope was too wide for ff purposes...then fixing.

     

  4. 19 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

    Let me also reply seriously, because you have a point. Yes, if you look at the distribution of good and bad games, then Carson is similar to the others you mention, and all 5 ended up being RB2 for the whole season.

    image.png.f65a7bde283273a04f8b641cbbef0395.png

    Hard to separate them, but Carson had slightly fewer terrible games, which was one of the good points you were making.

    (I also count the 2 games where he was scratched at game day, because often in those cases you still end up with a zero or a dud. So I think he had 4 duds, when the others had 5 or 6.)

    However, that was not the point, or how this discussion started. The start of this discussion was that anyone who dumped Carson midway through the season made a stupid decision, because anyone could see AT THAT MOMENT that he was a dependable week to week RB2. And I say to that: no. Over the whole season, yes, but midway through the season, most people were giving up on Chubb, Henry and Carson; while for Peterson and Cohen it was clear they were RB2/Flex.

    AP and Cohen were frustrating, but good enough to keep; anybody holding on to Chubb, Henry or Carson was a severe optimist (*) or had a long bench.

    (*) I was one of those optimists with a long bench for Henry. And then when he exploded, obviously, it was on my bench, but that's a different story :)

     

    And what are you trying to show by have the pts scored scale go that much above 30 pts-??  

    It’s a misleading visual

    ...though is does show that Carson was basically equal or greater than Cohen from wk 3 and on.

  5. 13 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

    Let me also reply seriously, because you have a point. Yes, if you look at the distribution of good and bad games, then Carson is similar to the others you mention, and all 5 ended up being RB2 for the whole season.

    image.png.f65a7bde283273a04f8b641cbbef0395.png

    Hard to separate them, but Carson had slightly fewer terrible games, which was one of the good points you were making.

    (I also count the 2 games where he was scratched at game day, because often in those cases you still end up with a zero or a dud. So I think he had 4 duds, when the others had 5 or 6.)

    However, that was not the point, or how this discussion started. The start of this discussion was that anyone who dumped Carson midway through the season made a stupid decision, because anyone could see AT THAT MOMENT that he was a dependable week to week RB2. And I say to that: no. Over the whole season, yes, but midway through the season, most people were giving up on Chubb, Henry and Carson; while for Peterson and Cohen it was clear they were RB2/Flex.

    AP and Cohen were frustrating, but good enough to keep; anybody holding on to Chubb, Henry or Carson was a severe optimist (*) or had a long bench.

    (*) I was one of those optimists with a long bench for Henry. And then when he exploded, obviously, it was on my bench, but that's a different story :)

     

    Nobody said he was dependable rb2 to start the season, nor did anyone say dumping him early was a bad decision.

  6. 2 minutes ago, MJJ28 said:

     

    Dude said he owned Penny-Carson-Davis weeks 1-10. Poor guy bought Penny at cost, too. Ouch.

    I thought is was fairly obvious that a healthy Carson puts a twinkle in Carroll’s eyes.  

    He was the only one worth targeting in ‘18...and still is.

    Go ahead and spend a dollar on a Penny, I won’t dissuade that.

  7. 48 minutes ago, dashoe said:

    Focus on this 👉1.  you explained nothing and your lack of detail is astonishing. 

    What is a short bench? How many roster spots do u have? How many teams are in your league? What is your scoring format

     

    👇below  is not the focus only informational so please dont attempt to make this the focus and distract us from the above☝️ 🤣

    2. Why are you so obsessed with what I paid for Carson?  I dont keep track of auction prices because  prices are relative  to  each bidders position in  terms of available cash, roster construction, available talent and bidding interest for the available talent; it's not correlated like adp is to a snake darft,  As i said if you played in auctions then you wouldnt ask what I paid because he didnt have much value in a ppr auction.  Auctions are about bidding vs competitive demand

    No 2 auctions are alike each one  will have different values and outcomes but if you are that desperate i can give you my process.    I tend to pay  around $40 for my rb1 because I dont draft the top ones and focus on value plays. I will try to pay for 2 starting rb's what someone will pay for a top 4.;  I liked wr value in my auction better last year.

    So I probably paid anywhere from $2-5 for Carson depending on where I was positioned end of auction.  I had a cheap grouping of barber-lynch-carson  that cost me almost nothing because they were not desireable ppr candidates. I was betting one would be an upside flex piece based on rushing volume and td's. Thankfully they all failed early in the season so I had access to early waiver talent  to replace them. . 😂

    Again how is that relevant to your statement you knew Carson was a predictable and reliable rb2 but you dropped him anyway?

    You can stop focusing on me...hard, I know.

    So funny that you’re pretending like you can’t remember or look up the actual $ you spent on Carson...from a guy that tries to show he has command of all #s.

    Fraud.

  8. 14 minutes ago, MJJ28 said:

     

    Nobody cares about what anyone “thought” during the 2018 season anymore. 

    What does matter is what actually happened. What actually happened was that Carson was a great, highly consistent, highly utilized RB2. 5th in yards, 7th in carries, 9tds, low week to week variance. The numbers speak for themselves.

    Hey, how did Carson rank in 100yd games for the season?

  9. 22 minutes ago, dashoe said:

     

    how about you give us the early version of your 2019 offseason script on how you dropped  carson knowing he would finish as a rb2 when you drafted him as your rb3. . . 

    Still waiting for you to share with us your league settings that allows you to knowingly and easily drop a rb2 to the waiver.

    At this point you can even make it up. . . I wouldnt care as long as it makes sense 😘

    I had DJ, Conner, Chubb in a short bench...I stated that I wish that I could’ve kept him.

     

    Please, please, please show us how you overpaid for Carson to be one of your starters in ‘18.  

    😂 

  10. 3 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    The champ in our league bought Carson at auction and held onto him all year.  I can't remember what he spent on him, but $7 sounds about right.  I sure did not like facing him in week 16, that's for sure.  

    But rather than argue about last year, let's talk about Carson's 2019 prospects, shall we?

    My opinion, the coaching will not be able to ignore the way Carson performed last season. It will take an amazing offseason or injury for Penny to get back on the radar.

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  11. 2 minutes ago, bhawks489 said:

    He couldn’t have been more than $10 last year on a $200 budget.

     

    I saw $7 on cbs site which seems about right. Shoe was right though, auction values aren’t very static

    Nobody said anything was static...I’m just seeing if shoe has a pair big enough to post what he spent.

  12. 13 minutes ago, dashoe said:

     

    You obviously don't play auctions if you think a generic auction value is what people actually  bid on draft day.  Auctions values dont correlate the same way as snake draft adps  on draft day Y

    You sir are getting dangerously close to showing  your lack of depth regarding formats. . .don't drown in the shallow end🤣

    You could always show a link to what you spent on him...but I know you won’t.

    😎

  13. 16 minutes ago, dashoe said:

    I  play in auction leagues so ADP does not apply to me. . .🤣

    I even mentioned earlier I had him in my flex. . .👁️

    I don't draft predictable and reliable rb2. .  . to drop them. .  I draft them to play them 🤩

    Looks like he was $4...lol

    Well, if you weren’t satisfied with his return on your “big investment” as a starter, maybe you should spend a little more this year!

    🤓

  14. 6 minutes ago, dashoe said:

    I  play in auction leagues so ADP does not apply to me. . .🤣

    I even mentioned earlier I had him in my flex. . .👁️

    I don't draft predictable and reliable rb2. .  . to drop them. .  I draft them to play them 🤩

    ^ needs help setting line ups

    😂

  15. 4 minutes ago, dashoe said:

    I  play in auction leagues so ADP does not apply to me. . .🤣

    I even mentioned earlier I had him in my flex. . .👁️

    I don't draft predictable and reliable rb2. .  . to drop them. .  I draft them to play them 🤩

    (yawn) ...ok, tell us what his auction price was in ‘18.   

  16. 2 hours ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

     

    False.

     

    I drafted him to start him. I gave a comprehensive "chronicles of Chris" story that said as much. 

     

    Shallow leagues might not have drafted him to start. Not every league is a shallow league though. I drafted him to start. 

     

    Starting 10 positions isn't the same as starting 6. That doesn't mean that the person who is required to start more is wrong. It just means they don't play in a 4th grade teacher's league where "highly predictable and dependable RB2s" are readily available on the wire whenever needed. 

    If you drafted him as your starter = you are bad at ff.

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  17. 5 hours ago, dashoe said:

    Sooo. . . CARSON  wins primary role in training camp beating a rookie who was injured, overweight and struggled to learn the scheme and a backup rb who was cut then resigned. .  and you wouldnt expect said Carson to start on a team people have been screaming for years since lynch left that wants to be run heavy ? I had him as my flex. .which is a starting roster position btw. . .

    Do you even believe what you are posting because i dont. . . at this point you sound ridiculous🤣

    Please post Carson’s 2018 adp...then stop talking.

  18. 1 minute ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Last year Carson was a huge disappointment during the first half of the season but played well down the stretch.  With a first-round investment in Penny, Carson's seat will be hot once again.  If I had to pick Carson in the 2/3 or Penny in the 6th I might go Penny but more likely just avoid the whole thing.

    Last time kids...he did not disappoint to start the season because he was not drafted to start in FF.

    l dropped him because I was rb heavy and needed depth at other positions, you move on.

    ...a lot of butt-hurt Carson owners in this thread that seem committed to swear him off, I love it.

    I doubt the Seachicken coaching staff is ignoring how proficient the running game was the 2nd half of the season...luckily they do not play in my ff league.

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  19. 3 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

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    To be an weekly RB2, you need around 10 points standard.

    - Week 1-9, Carson was not reliable (RB29). 

    - Week 11-17, Carson was not just reliable, he was exceptional (RB4).

    Done. Now the main question is: which Carson are we going to get in 2019, the guy on the right or the guy on the left? Good luck figuring that out.

    You keep ignoring the red & green lights that suggest the weekly direction one should take with Carson during those 17 weeks...but you can’t help those who are determined to play in traffic.

    If you started Carson from week 1 >>> you deserved to get run over.

    🤪 🚚

  20. 3 hours ago, dashoe said:

    Don't flatter yourself dude. .no smear campaign and i have no desire to grade your fantasy prowess. . .🤣

    Basically you are clarifying your statement  after the fact however and  you were being disingenuous with your previous statement . You didn't drop carson knowing he was a predictable and dependable rb2. . you dropped him when he was inconsistent and volatile. , now in hindsight you are making current evaluation but  that wasn't the process you used at the time. . . u droppped him because he wasnt producing for you. .period😂

    I love how guys always come in with their hindsight decision making as if they knew the outcome all along🤣.

    I said he was a predictable rb, and he always has been as a healthy starter...nobody drafted Carson because they anticipated him to be in their every week lineup, he was drafted as a wildcard in case things fell his way, and they did.  

    For some reason it surprised you, and you can’t get over it

    🤣

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  21. 5 minutes ago, Stonej14 said:

     

    So you dropped him early when he wasnt very consistent. I think everyone (me atleast) was thinking you dropped once he was becoming a weekly contributor.

    Why couldnt you atleast trade him? I mean who did ya pick up on the waiver that was better than him? Maybe chubb?

     

    I did own Chubb...but dropping Carson was due to Ingram coming off suspension

    I tried to package him...but nobody was interested giving a starter back my way.

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