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  1. Another thing i guesd i'd like to add regarding his Draft capital specifically last yr. I play in a league with the same guys i have been for over a decade even the least savy drafter is savy to the extent that "sleepers" don't exist in the same way they do in a league with new fantasy players. We all know the guys it's just who's willing to reach for said sleeper and by how much. 

     As soon as CEH was drafted to KC our group chat exploded so the hype in my league was instantaneous and me drafting 10th knew i wasnt going to have the option to draft him and thats how it played out.

     His ADP now is GOLD atm. I wouldn't draft him over Taylor though (im a Colts fan) Taylor i feel is more focal to the offence. I'd try and land both. 

  2. 1 hour ago, Stonej14 said:

    Lol you’re right I’ve never had the burden of being a mixon owner but the guy already has had multiple 1300 total yard seasons and according to your “homer” article thsts what they project dobbins to have this year. 
     

    a lot of guys can get 1300 total yards and a lot more receptions. 
     

    CEH has 1100 last year in 13 games and looks to have 40+ receptions as he is supposedly going to be more involved in the pass game.

    eckler had 900 yards in 10 games and looks to be a safe 50+ receptions guy

    And as I said already mixon has two 1300 yard seasons and two 40 receptions season on a team that looks to be down a lot and pass a lot. 
     

    In standard the TDs might make dobbins a better play but in any PPR format I think they’ll have enough receptions to counter the lack of TDs they may have but who knows 

    Bro I hear you. Mixon is legit and has done it in the past, that's how I talked myself into him last yr. Like he's ok but take a look at his game logs https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/games/joe-mixon.php. you can go back to see every game he's played and missed ; )

    Last yr encapsultes what he is as a player to me as a whole. He had a few ok games nothing special. 

    Then has a MONSTER game followed up with a decent game and injury. So his overall stats look good but he's getting them in bulk by having moneter games with average play in between. If the guys i want are gone i'll take Mixon and like i said before it's possible he smashes his ADP but i'll pass for a guy more consistant and on the field 

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  3. 1 hour ago, Evincar said:

    The whole Andy Reid RB1 narrative is what led to CEH's ridiculous ADP last season. The shine has kind of worn off. I think the Oline improvements are the most encouraging.

    I think many factors lead to CEHs inflated ADP last yr. The fact that KC selected their RB of choice in the first round following a superbowl victory, and that CEH was a proficent catching back in college. Being in a offence led by Patrick Mahomes which we saw Kareem Hunt thrive in a year previous were the major factors imo .

    I also thought his draft capital last yr was too rich for my taste the hype got so big and he was overdrafted at least in my draft. (4th overall) LOL

     This yr his ADP seems decent/fair, To me at least.

     

  4. 2 hours ago, thebadferret said:

    The sky is the limit for this dude. I think he is a lock - sans injury -  for RB1 production and the sky is the limit with him. Wouldn't be shocked if he finished as the RB1 this or next year. (I get it, he is a dark horse).

    For dynasty he is my RB 8 behind: CMC, Taylor, Barkley, Kamara, Cook, Swift and Chubb
    For '21 PPR he is my RB11 behind: CMC, Cook, Barkley, Kamara, Henry, Taylor, Ekeler, Chubb, Swift and Jones

    I could say the skys the limit about a bunch of players including the ones i'm currently drafting OVER him. I'm trying to see what you guys are seeing. Like i said i haven't done much reseach into him, that article provided some decent insight and a little bit of stats but left me with more questions? Why did he get so few carries in college and if he was a converted wr why did he mostly plat the 1-2 down back role?

  5. 45 minutes ago, ajs723 said:

    So you're saying, you'd rank these guys:

    Najee

    Dobbins

    CEH

    Mixon

    Ekeler

    That is completely backwards, IMO. I would go the exact opposite order.

    In standard scoring although the ordering of the top 3 is a work in progress. I'd even toss in Gibson. Ekler i was never sold on or a fan 9f so i'm biased, they drafted a SOLID RB this yr and J.Kelly last yr. Mixon 100% could do better than all of these guys but after owning him twice his rookie yr and last i'd rather have someone else. He's inconsistant and injury prone I see his worth but bake those two factors into his ADP. 

  6. This is my first look into Gibson so your opinions are a great help and appreciated. I'm basically neutral on him but always pass on him in mock drafts. He has a Mid to High 2ND round ADP and I'm normally aiming for Akers or Najee and dismissing AG which might not be prudent. From what i have read  i'm more positive about him for sure but still uncertain and neutral. 

     

    Pick a rushing metric and there’s a good chance that Gibson performed well in it:

    • PFF rushing grade: 85.1 (No. 5 among 47 qualified RBs)
    • Missed tackles forced per rush: 0.22 (tied for No. 5)
    • Yards per carry: 4.7 (tied for No. 15)
    • Yards after contact per carry: 2.6 (tied for No. 33)
    • Stuff rate: 4.1% (No. 1)

    The Football Team never had Gibson play more than 65% of the offense’s snaps in a game last season. In an ideal world, we see that number become the floor with the hope that fewer designed touches for McKissic will lead to less overall usage in the offense. From here Gibson can more consistently soak up the majority of the backfield’s targets in an offense that has a good chance of finishing as an above-average scoring unit.

    Offensive coordinator Scott Turner served as the Panthers QB coach while his dad, Norv, ran the show during the 2018-2019 seasons. During that span, Christian McCaffrey played at least 90% of the offense’s snaps in an absurd 26 of 32 games, never dipping below 78% in a non-Week 17 game along the way.

    This is Gibson’s ceiling: DC CMC, or better yet, DCMC. I’m not here to suggest Gibson is the same level talent as McCaffrey and capable of supplying similar high-end efficiency, but I also wouldn’t count that out. Ultimately, we want to chase volume, not talent, in fantasy football: Gibson has the potential to have more volume than just about anyone. " 

     

    Is it really possible for this type of useage? I liked the article but his rankings at the end made me question his credability

    RANKING: "Ultimately, Gibson is somebody I’ve found myself rising up the ranks as the offseason progresses. At the moment, he’s my RB13 in my “With some luck these dudes could bounce up two tiers” third tier, narrowly behind Cam Akers, Joe Mixon and Jonathan Taylor. At the time of this writing, I’m drinking coffee, but a switch to something with alcohol could cause a leap over Taylor due to the potential target concerns." 

     I'd take Gibson over Mixon without even knowing much about him, Taylor behind Akers AND Mixon.. i don't know man..

    Here's the full article it touches on what's already been discussed here ala Alex Smith Dump offs the addition of Samuel and some o-line talk ...like i said i thought it was decent and made me believe Gibsons ADP was more appropriate than previously thought but then his rankings made me question everything and come here. 

    So, whats the deal with Antonio Gibson???

     

    https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-will-antonio-gibson-emerge-as-dc-cmc

     

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    I also suspect his ADP to go up, i hope not much though as he's certainly a player i want to target. If i can get CEH in the third id still go RB RB RB. Who ever in the first lets say Chubbor Taylor then a combo of (depending what slot im drafting in) Akers, Dobbins, Najee or CEH. TAYLOR AKERS CEH , CHUBB NAJEE CEH, many other combos all dirty!!!  I think whats more realistic is as draft day approaches  he will have a 2nd rnd ADP and  i'll have to decide between him and one of the others i listed. 

    ANDY REID KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT ENABLING A HIGH-END FANTASY RB

    We’ve seen example after example of coach Andy Reid enabling a high-end fantasy RB over the past 20-plus years.

    Year Running back PPR/game rank
    1999 Duce Staley RB11
    2000 Duce Staley RB15
    2001 Duce Staley RB11
    2002 Duce Staley RB15
    2003 Brian Westbrook RB19
    2004 Brian Westbrook RB5
    2005 Brian Westbrook RB7
    2006 Brian Westbrook RB4
    2007 Brian Westbrook RB1
    2008 Brian Westbrook RB1
    2009 Brian Westbrook RB36
    2010 LeSean McCoy RB3
    2011 LeSean McCoy RB3
    2012 LeSean McCoy RB8
    2013 Jamaal Charles RB1
    2014 Jamaal Charles RB7
    2015 Jamaal Charles RB2
    2016 Spencer Ware RB17
    2017 Kareem Hunt RB5
    2018 Kareem Hunt RB8
    2019 Damien Williams RB25
    2020 Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB21

    https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-can-clyde-edwards-helaire-still-be-andy-reids-next-great-rb

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  8. 1 hour ago, Stonej14 said:

    Who are the RBs Y’all would take in front of dobbins? Obliviously the stud RB1s.. But who else. He slides down my rankings a lot further than I thought. 

    Im thinking I would go something like 

    Akers

    mixon

    eckeler

    Najee 

    CEH

    Gibson

    Carson

    dobbins

    swift (for now.. likely to switch with dobbins)

     

    I see you have never owned Mixon before.. J.K 🤣🤣

    I'd have Dobbins ranked after Najee and over CEH at the moment with Mixon and Ekler lower. 

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  9. These projections and clip are from the SBNation article i linked below. It's a "Homer" article 100% but some info and a lil projections are always good to add to the debate.

    " He had 152 total touches (134 rush / 18 rec) as a rookie who played very sparingly in the first-half of the year. In 2021, Dobbins should push for 200+ touches (180+ rush / 20+ rec) and with his elite yards per touch efficiency (6.1 YPT), 1,300 total yards and 10 scores is definitely in the cards. Get pumped up Ravens flock, that big heart #27 has is ready to roll and become the driving force on offense for the Ravens this season. "

    https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2021/5/26/22452263/the-heartbeat-of-the-ravens-offense-j-k-dobbins-lamar-jackson-gus-edwards

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  10. I did some "enterprising research" into the Phill Sims story and found out a few things... 

     

     This whole "situation" was nothing but an opinion of Keyshawn Johnson on Monday Night Countdown a pre game show known for hot takes. That was than discussed by every show that only do hot takes for ratings.

     Tebow was told he would be the starter before trainning camp, the Broncos tried to trade Orton but couldn't get chit in return, Orton started the year 1-5.

     Mangini makes some good points but to me they get negated instantly when asked how he would like to see Tim Tebow react and it's the most robotic prototypical pre-written answer that others say all the time, in essense making it seem unauthentic.

    A quick google search of Mangini bad coach pulls up literally A DOZEN articles some pretty funny that would support such a claim. 

    https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&source=android-browser&q=mangini+bad+coach#ip=1

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  11. 8 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Actually if you read the quote more carefully, Lawrence is subtly roasting on Tebow by saying that Lawrence used to play as Tebow in NCAA Football for Playstation when Lawrence was in junior high.  Basically calling Tebow old.

    Meanwhile Tebow has said nothing about Lawrence publicly.  I believe that is because Tebow wants to be the QB.  That is always how Tebow proceeded previously.  I'll be keeping an eye on this dynamic...

    The Tebow-spiracy will only grow with his repeated silence. 

    Please breakdown this vid for me. Theres a ten second clip of Lawerence and Tebow walking together they appear to be talking to each other but we all know evil Tebow would never acknowledge his "competition" in public. 

     

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  12. 20 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    My humor has always been about three degrees too subtle for you, my man.  I think the point was made.  Others seem to have picked up what I was putting down.  Except for the times you willfully misunderstood me because doing so fit your narrative better.

    So I googled "Tim Tebow speaks about Trevor Lawrence" and results were pretty sparse.  Best I could do was a story from when Tebow was an ESPN analyst like he still should be. In the clip, Tebow idiotically opined that no one should be assuming that Trevor Lawrence will be the first pick in the draft.

    So there's no quote since Tebow signed.  And the only one before that was brain-dead and negative, and made in a public forum to a national audience.

    Great teammate.  What a guy.

    Someone should put up a Billboard wanting Tebow to start at QB  just to gauge his support for Trevor Lawerence just like Kyle Orton. That should clear everything up, plus we could disect every word and his body language to see just how evil he really is. #TEBOWFALSEIDOL #W0RSTEAMMATEEVER

    Ortengate 2.0 

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  13. 55 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    You want to see my evidence that Tim Tebow is self-centered and a bad teammate? 

    See the brief and unsuccessful career of Tebow, Timothy Richard, 2010-2012.

    And now that we have seen Trevor Lawrence say something nice about Tim Tebow, I wonder what Tim Tebow has had to say about Trevor Lawrence?

    I was hoping you'd come through with some legit dirt and enlighten a pleab like myself with your enterprising researcher capabilities.

    Instead you provide hyperbolic opinion. 

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  14. On 5/24/2021 at 12:30 PM, SharkSwimmer said:

    That's just one example but an enterprising researcher could quickly locate dozens more.  Tebow's ego is limitless and his talent to play QB is nearly non-existent, yet is quite a bit better than his talent at playing Tight End.

    "Dozens"

     12×?(Simms+Anecdote)=Sharkswimmers Tim Tebow delusions.

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  15. 8 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Perhaps team dynamics is a concept too complicated for you to understand.  The front office, coaching staff, and team leaders amongst the players all have to be on the same page in order to have succcess.

    The team is more important than any individual, although of course the starting quarterback and perhaps a superstar defender or two take on an enhanced role.

    What about Tebow?  When they asked him to switch positions, or suggested he try the CFL or Arena League, etc to work on his QB game, he always said the same thing:  "I want to be a quarteback in the NFL."  And by that he means the starting quarterback.

    So he's a media circus, and he cares about himself and playing the position he wants to play.  Murder on team chemistry.  

    I do agree that it may well be entertaining to watch it play out, in a way that a spectacular train wreck is.  It will not break my heart to see Tebow getting stuffed for a six yard loss every time he touches the ball, which is what I suspect will happen if Meyer is stubborn enough to actually put him in a game.  He'll be like the 2020 version of Jason Witten, except without the ability to block, run routes, and catch the ball.

    Here you are deflecting a direct question about proof of your previous claim by implying i dont understand the complexities of team sports, really? lol. I don't know if you have an inferiority complex or something but you do seem to like to put others down, myself as well as others here.

    Why do you do low key ad hominen attacks to other posters when asked  a question instead of just answering and showing proof for claims you made? your verbal diarrea is becoming tiresome, please put up or shut up with the hate. 

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  16. 18 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    A crony coaching position would have been really awful because a more-deserving real coach would have missed out.  But it would have been far better than giving Tebow a stinking roster spot!  Sheesh.  Tebow does not want to coach--he wants to be an NFL superstar in addition to being a cultural superstar.

    Remember--charity means acts done to help the less fortunate while everybody is watching.  

    Damn dude I don't know what Tim Tebow did to you but it must have been really bad. I expected you to turn it around and say charity work is essentially a selfish act and you did. I could post vids of  childrens testimony saying he changed their lives etc but you would find something negative with that too.

    Can you at least provide the one instance you mentioned? Or any other I'm pretty interested into seeing this dark side thats so well known that i seem to be oblivious too. 

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  17.  

    5 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    What changed?  What changed?  Shad Kahn foolishly offered Urban Meyer the Jaguars HC job, and one of his first major decisions was giving a roster spot to a crony who has not played a live NFL snap in 9 years.

     What changed? The Jags got the top draft pick and the Khanster lured the top NCAA coach to Jacksonville creating the biggest BUZZ Jacksonville has had in years. Than as if it were a WWE scripted show, Tim Tebow rises from the grave, changes positions, returns and re-unite with his former coach not only in the NFL but in Florida. 

      I'm looking forward to watching the Jags play this yr for the first time in a LONG while for a mixture of reasons, one being Urban Meyers. I don't really follow NCAA but i know the name Urban Meyers the same as i heard of Chip Kelly, Pete Carrol and Harbaugh before they gave the NFL a go. You say it's foolish, i'm sure others called these foolish too but it's interesting to see how/if they transition, fail or succeed. At least to me.

    In terms of Tebows not being a "nice guy" lol. I searched and couldnt find anything to support that in fact I found and learnt alot more on how he is a "nice guy" through make-a-wish and his foundation that helps sick children etc as well as other philothropic endevours he partakes in. Thank you for that! 

    I hope he makes the team but if not gets a chrony coaching gig or some made up position. 

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  18. 3 hours ago, yossarian said:

    wait. i thought 0RB was sometimes actually just "take a RB stud with your 1st pick if you're picking in the top of the draft then don't draft another RB until the 6th round or higher". 0RB doesn't necessarily mean don't pick any RBs early, does it? I've heard different definitions over the years.

     I thought ZERO RB meant to draft a RB with your first pick lol 

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  19. @bomont..Anything is possible but the Colts are trying to extend Leonard and Nelson in the very near future. I'm unsure if/how that would effect them this yr though .

    @mocha4313 .. The first thing I though when he said "I want to win" was KC as I presumed he meant he wants to win a SB. 

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  20. 5 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    But Tebow is not "the nicest guy on the planet."  He masquerades as that, but is in reality a sh*t teammate because Tim Tebow is all about Tim Tebow.

    Chris Simms told a story on PFT that when Kyle Orton was the starter and Tebow the backup, someone put up a billboard in Denver demanding Tebow be made the starter and Tebow never said a word of support for Orton when asked about it.

    I don't personally know him but ONE unconfirmed story about not vocally supporting his competition/team mate which i cant find on Google compared to a mountain of video/stories of him being nice and friendly to everyone. Long story short Tim Tebow is THE NICEST GUY ON THE PLANET LOL

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  21. I've always liked Tebow I like how he ruffles so many feathers my being the nicest guy on the planet. All the best to him. Interesting convo with the Steve Young comparison. If he makes the team I might throw a 15th round dart.

    1. for fun

    2. To have God on my side.

  22. On 5/20/2021 at 8:21 PM, Evincar said:

    Murray and Wilson didnt have an outrageous ADP last season. He barely finished ahead of the likes of Tannehill, Brady, Herbert so lets not pretend he wasnt a huge disappointment. last season.

    Normally after winning the MVP the following yr is a "dissapointment". He's still (for now) the best running QB in the league just got a WR rnd 1 in the draft and and snapped up Watkins in free agency. Oh also last yr he was being drafted in round 2-3 where as this yr im seeing 5-7..  Sign me up.

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