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  1. 20 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    I don't play ppr.  I play in a modified standard format with bonuses for long TDs.  Steady, unspectacular compilers like Thielen aren't as useful under that format.

    Theilan is standard WR6

    Broke records this season

    Your reasoning to make Amari > Thielan is a joke

     

    On 12/19/2018 at 10:33 AM, Cotton Jones said:

    You Average Amari truthers need to come back to Earth. Dak is a middling pass talent. Zeke is the focal point of the offense, and will be as long as he is playing at an elite level. This is going to be the determining factor in Average Amari's draft stock. That's how this works. If you guys play fantasy football you should know this. That's why an ADP earlier than the 3rd is likely foolish and shortsighted (or perhaps earlier than the 4th, which seems to be more the consensus among the people in this thread who live in the real world, not the metroplex). Having a few big games with the Cowboys doesn't erase his opportunity outlook which is markedly worse than all the other WR's we have talked about here. Yes including Juju (seriously, you think they are on "equal footing"?). You think anyone other than Cowboys fans are going to bump up Amari 2-3 rounds because of a few good games out of 16? Are we supposed to believe that changing his zip code suddenly made him a WR1? Or are we supposed to believe that Dak Prescott made him an WR1? Seriously, stop and think about that. What's the difference? It's obviously not Dak, because he's not that good. Is it the coaching of Jason Garrett? LOL no? Then what is it? The new uniform? Is it because he got away from the Raiders, who are dysfunctional? Dude have you even followed the Dallas Cowboys for the last 10 years? You wanna talk about dysfuctional? I'm just begging for you or another Average Amari truther to come up with a narrative that justifies erasing his entire career up until the mid-season trade to the Cowboys.

  2. 1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Michael Thomas is a beast.  But I like Cooper better.  I think Thomas has some similarities to Dez Bryant in that Thomas is a very physical receiver who relies a bit less on speed and route running.

    And "I like Cooper better" doesn't make him a 2nd round pick to anyone but you.

    Heard of Drew Brees? Sean Payton?

    Heard of Dak Prescott? Jason Garrett?

    The other people drafting in 2019 have. That's why MT will be going in front of Average Amari almost always

     

    1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Hill is really good but I like Amari better.  Hill is little.  And Hill wins with his blazing footspeed but he's up and down.

     

    Patrick Mahomes. He's in the mix for most productive fantasy quarterback of all time. But "Hill is little" therefore Amari.

     

    1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Thielen is an UDFA level talent who tries really hard.  Not close to Amari Cooper in my valuation system.

     

    Again, Thielan is PPR WR3. He was breaking productivity records for more than half the season. Please tell us more about your "valuation system" because it clearly doesn't involve actual fantasy points, which is the only thing that matters in fantasy football. Unless your league give points for how "little" or "big" the players on your roster are, or where they were drafted. Strangely, Average Amari being a first round pick out of Alabama hasn't done anything to help his fantasy production during his career.

     

    1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Edelman?  Oh ho.  Hilarious.  Again, it may come down to philosophy. 

     

    No, we are going by fantasy points here. 

    You can say Edelman over Amari is hilarious, although again I will point out that an actual Cowboys fan disagrees with you that it is hilarious.

    I think it's pretty obvious what is really hilarious here.

     

  3. 4 hours ago, Zak0221 said:

     

    You post was fine til I got to Edelman, then I couldn't take anymore seriously.  Not exactly rocket science to take Juju or Michael Thomas over Amari next year lol


    Translation: I can't offer a valid argument to anything you said explaining why Average Amari isn't a WR1 for 2019, so, uh, Julian Edelman.

     

    "lol"

  4. 17 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Well Hopkins, Julio, Odell, Adams.  Not Brown, I think Brown is on the downslope.  Amari Cooper is only 24 years old.  Maybe Evans but probably not.  I really like JuJu and obviously Diggs, but I would put them on equal footing with Amari Cooper.  Not Keenan "made of glass" Allen.

     

    Watch Cooper do his thing against Tampa's "defense" this weekend.  Cooper just keeps climbing the ranks.

    Are you a Cowboys fan?

     

    Keenan is 100% ahead of Amari. Justify your bad take with an end of season injury all you want. NFL players get injured. He might play this week. He hasn't been ruled out so it's obviously not a serious injury. This is such a dumb take I'm even going to go into it any further. I'm sure this is the hill you will choose to die on though, that somehow one player, Keenan Allen, gets injured, therefore Amari's drafted stock is awesome, because you don't have anything else to go to, other than hopes and dreams of where you think Amari should be drafted.

     

    And you forgot about Thielan. I'm not sure how. I doubt anyone is going to write off his record setting 10 weeks to start the season or whatever it was because of overall poor offensive play for a couple weeks at the end of the season. Hes PPR wr3 on the season, standard #6. But you have Amari ahead of him?

     

    Juju is 100% ahead of Amari. The Steelers are an explosive offense unlikely to have a RB in a workhorse role. This is not even close. The dude is clearly the WR1 and he's elite and the offense is elite and the QB is elite. Do you think Dak is elite? Do you think their offense is elite? Did you see the game in Indy?

     

    Diggs probably is ahead of him too. Their offense was dragging for a couple weeks - against good defenses - but we can't let that ruin the draft stock of all the skill players, right? I mean, did you see the game in Indy?

     

    Tyreek Hill 100% ahead of Amari. You conveniently forgot his name along with Thielan's. Maybe because it helps your super weak argument.

    Michael Thomas - 100% ahead of him. Oops, you forgot him too.

    TY Hilton - ahead of him. Why? Do I need to explain yet again in this thread how team opportunity relates to a player's fantasy production projection and ADP? Their offense doesn't run through a bellcow RB. Not to mention their HC is Frank Reich and they throw a ton, unlike the Cowboys, who have an offensive philosophy straight out of 1996. And oh yeah, Andrew Luck is actually good at throwing footballs. That helps. 


    Edelman will probably be ahead of him. AB will probably be ahead of him. I'm sure one of those 2 takes will outrage you, because you appear incapable of being objective about Average Amari.

     

    You Average Amari truthers need to come back to Earth. Dak is a middling pass talent. Zeke is the focal point of the offense, and will be as long as he is playing at an elite level. This is going to be the determining factor in Average Amari's draft stock. That's how this works. If you guys play fantasy football you should know this. That's why an ADP earlier than the 3rd is likely foolish and shortsighted (or perhaps earlier than the 4th, which seems to be more the consensus among the people in this thread who live in the real world, not the metroplex). Having a few big games with the Cowboys doesn't erase his opportunity outlook which is markedly worse than all the other WR's we have talked about here. Yes including Juju (seriously, you think they are on "equal footing"?). You think anyone other than Cowboys fans are going to bump up Amari 2-3 rounds because of a few good games out of 16? Are we supposed to believe that changing his zip code suddenly made him a WR1? Or are we supposed to believe that Dak Prescott made him an WR1? Seriously, stop and think about that. What's the difference? It's obviously not Dak, because he's not that good. Is it the coaching of Jason Garrett? LOL no? Then what is it? The new uniform? Is it because he got away from the Raiders, who are dysfunctional? Dude have you even followed the Dallas Cowboys for the last 10 years? You wanna talk about dysfuctional? I'm just begging for you or another Average Amari truther to come up with a narrative that justifies erasing his entire career up until the mid-season trade to the Cowboys.


    Dear thread: See you next Spring with these ridiculous Average Amari ADP projections. We can compare them to reality.

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  5. 23 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    Yes, go ahead and pick a WR that will give you a nice, safe 5-50 every week.  Enjoy it!  I don't play ppr, and I like fast WRs who can run great routes, get gobs of separation, and can score long touchdowns.

    Yes, if we've learned anything about Average Amari, it's that he's a consistent fantasy producer week to week.

     

    What planet do you live on pal?

     

    Also, please see my last post. I am still waiting to hear the small handful of WR's you would rank above Amari in the 2019 draft, since you said he was going 2nd round or something equally ludicrous. 

  6. 37 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

    4th round is a complete joke.  Cooper is the focal point of the Cowboys passing game.  Dude is going second round in drafts in any competent league.

    4th round is a "complete joke"?

     

    ok then

     

    I think you may need to change what you have written in your "Interests:"

     

    Please let us know the small handful of WR's you rank above Cooper so we can all have a laugh.

     

    After the eagles game i said 3rd round at best in PPR I'll stick with that

  7. 4 minutes ago, Zak0221 said:

     

    I wouldn't want him as my WR1 next year if that will be his cost.

     

    Unless he absolutely goes nuts these next two weeks then I will have his babies and pick him as high as I have to next year. 

    There is no end of season scenario where he will be drafted at the first round turn aside from a cowboys fan who is absolutely terrible at fantasy football

     

    Zeke is the offense, the team is built for running the football. Dak is nowhere near an elite passer.

    This is a fantasy football forum and it should go without saying that his situation alone precludes him from drafted anywhere near that high.

    If you disagree please get in my league. Yesterday.

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  8. 1 hour ago, cnewbykkn said:

     

    Such a simplistic thought process, as expected. Which team passes more? Which QB checks down more? What are their schedules comparatively?

     

    Makes perfect sense this would be confusing. 

     

    1 hour ago, cnewbykkn said:

    Hahaha. Good idea using his catch rate in the last few games as opposed to his catch rate for his career. The cherry picking is strong as always. 

     

    Yeah, that's his brand

     

    Then hits your post with the "confused" reaction when you point out how dumb it is.


    Brand is strong.

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  9. 1 hour ago, shakestreet said:

    I know your here to antagonize cleats. 

    I posted in this thread last night because people were saying Amari was going to be drafted "after the turn" in 2019.

    Meaning the first round turn.

    The posts are still there, you can go back and read them. I'm not re-litigating.

    Cleats jumped on me for saying that he's not a late 2nd round pick, but won't take a stand himself on where Amari should be drafted in 2019. What's the word for that, starts with cow...

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  10. 16 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

    All that s--- was suppose to happen. 

    A lot of people thought Derek Carr was going to get to next level instead he regressed

    Blaming Derek Carr for Jon Gruden blowing up the Raiders. OK

     

    On the day the Raiders fire their personnel guy who won NFL Exec of the Year 2 years ago.

     

    You must be joking.

     

    Anyway, I'm just here for DerrickHenrysCleats to tell us where Amari Cooper will be drafted in 2019.

  11. 17 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

     

    Went back to the first post in this thread.

     

    Nice

     

    Before Khalil Mack was traded and the raiders were noticeably tanking. 

     

    Your analysis of Gruden as the WR whisperer was right on the money.

     

    20 minutes ago, Cotton Jones said:

    Cleats, where do you think Amari should be drafted in fantasy drafts in 2019?

  12. On 1/17/2018 at 10:59 AM, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

    New year, new coach for Amari.

     

    Jon Gruden in coaching stints as an OC in Philly and HC in Oakland and TB has peppered his #1 WR in targets.

     

    He had Irving Fryar in Phily, Tim Brown and Jerry Rice in Oakland and Michael Clayton in TB.

     

    Gruden targeted his WR1 with 140-150 targets a season. Not including the years he had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice on the same team they were both 1,000+ yd receivers for those seasosns.

     

    With Crabtree likely to leave that will leave Carr with Amari as his most familiar receiver.

     

    Major bounce back for Amari this year under Gruden.

    Man Cleats, you really crushed it with this analysis in your OP.

     

    Cleats, where do you think Amari should be drafted in fantasy drafts in 2019?

  13. Just now, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

     

     

    Cooper became the first player in NFL history to have three go-ahead touchdown receptions in the fourth quarter and later of a single game.

     

    https://www.al.com/sports/2018/12/alabama-nfl-roundup-amari-cooper-makes-history-for-dallas-cowboys.html

     

     

    1) Arguable if that can even be considered a record, either way no one is going to cite Cooper having 3 go-ahead touchdowns in a fourth quarter to justify making him a top end WR1 draft pick. You do realize that is what the discussion is about, right? Amari Coopers 2019 draft stock? Just checking. Anything you bring to the table in this regard has to actually be relevant in the contest of Amari Cooper's 2019 draft stock. Having 3 go ahead touchdowns in the fourth quarter for the first time in NFL history is not relevant to his 2019 draft position. Got it?

    2) That is a link/citation, kudos for fulling that part of my request.

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  14. 9 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

     

    What you cited is not a record kept by the NFL.

    Thus, the comment about DerrickHenrysCleats record book.

    Feel free to correct me about the record not being kept with a citation/link, rather than something conjured from your imagination.

     

    Just to clear up where we're at here

    I said Amari needs to have a record breaking run to be a top end WR1 in next year's FF draft.

    DerrickHenrysCleats is now inventing records to claim Amari broke them because... I don't know why.

  15. 4 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

     

    I think Amari's performance ROS has everything to do with his 2019 draft stock. I'm not exactly sure what else it would be based on.

     

    Yeah, I already broke all that down. You can go back and read it. I'm not re-litigating what I've already said.

     

    4 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

    If you watch, Amari he has been setting records.

     

    Records in the DerrickHenrysCleats record book, or...?

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  16. 5 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

     

    2 180 and 2 TD games in a 4 week span after being traded mid season.

     

    Amari's talent is on par with the best WRs in the league. All he lacked was volume. For all those who think Oakland Raiders Amari is the same as Dallas Cowboys Amari you are sadly mistaken. 

     

    I'd rather have Amari Cooper than Antonio Brown for this year's playoff run.

    None of these things have anything to do with his 2019 draft stock, which was the only topic of discussion in the quote of mine you replied to

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  17. 4 minutes ago, Tax77 said:

    Don't have him on any of my teams, and I'm glad hes gone as far as fantasy but if this guy keeps on going getting 50% of the target share, how is he not a 2nd round pick? I guess we'll see how he finishes but his production right now is insane. He wins weeks. 

    Ok

    My incorrect assumption that you have Cooper on your fantasy team does not make your massive overvaluing of Cooper for 2019 more valid

     

    Also you earlier called him an early 2nd round pick, you are already hedging to simply a "2nd round pick"

     

    The only way he breaks into the top WR1 range is if he does something truly historic from here through the playoffs. I'm talking about challenging records for yardage in a game or total yardage/production in consecutive games.
    I'm now repeating myself: Zeke is the main cog of the offense. They're a run first offense and Dak isn't a great passer. You're apparently in denial about these things, because you would have to be to consider Amari's draft outlook for 2019 as "after the turn" or anything even close to that.

    He's probably a 3rd rounder in PPR, at best, barring something historic, as stated above.

    Probably would need a Cowboys deep playoff run as well. 

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  18. 1 minute ago, Tax77 said:

    If Jerrah signs him, which we know he will he will. Copper will go around right after the turn. The dude is explosive. 

    look, i get that you guys are excited because he had a great game and he's on your team, but cooper going early 2nd round is ridiculous.

    He's probably a back end WR1 at best for 2018

    You forget that Zeke is and will continue to be the driving force of this offense and the passing volume won't be there as long as that's the case, and also Dak is not a great passer.

     

    Recency bias guys, look it up.

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  19. Powell has a neck injury and Crowell dealing with lingering lower body injures means this guy is at least somewhat relevant

    He's listed 10th on Pat Mayo's early waiver wire pickup list for week 8

    https://www.draftkings.com/playbook/nfl/2018-fantasy-football-rankings-2018-week-8-waiver-wire-pickup-rankings-nfl-week-7-injury-report-recap-add-drop

     

    Haven't seen the game yet but looks like he had some nice yac on some passes

     

    Jets rookie RB Trenton Cannon rushed two times for four yards and caught 4-of-5 targets for 69 yards in the Week 7 loss to the Vikings.
    With Bilal Powell suffering a first-half neck injury, Cannon was elevated to Isaiah Crowell's change-of-pace. Cannon's 73 yards led the team while his 69 yards receiving were also a team-best. He did a bit of work on the final meaningless drive. But if Powell remains out, Cannon could play a bigger role next week in Chicago. He won't be a recommended fantasy play. Oct 21 - 5:22 PM
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