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  1. 4 minutes ago, tonycpsu said:


    Experts have studied the relationship between economic hardship and longevity, and it's a lot more nuanced than one might initially think.

    How the Recession Improved Life Expectancy—but Didn't Make Us Healthier


    Anyone asserting that economic hardship leads to more deaths or shorter lifespans needs to show their work.

    This article is suggesting that people live longer when in times of economic hardship?

    really?... i guess we should all just stop working and making money then.. we will all live longer..

    Unfortunately, it doesnt appear to me that article takes into account people who develop mental health issues.. or discusses the ones who develop mental health issues and dont even go get checked up.. or how many turn to the bottle? Naturally, the theory makes sense... people dont goto work.. stay home.. live longer.. sure.. less people outside.. less opportunity for crime.. violence.. car accidents.. it does make sense..

    but, it doesnt paint a true picture.

  2. 1 hour ago, fletch44 said:

    It's not as simple a question as X amount more will die if we come out of quarantine. You have to look at how many people will die or be ruined if we don't too? How many suicides ? How many people turn to drug to alcohol ? How many people lose their jobs and put into squalor which then leads to negative health consequences for them and their children. What are the mental health factors ? You think sending 20-30% of the country to unemployment will have no negative public health impacts ? You don't think that will lead to an increase in deaths ?  It's an ethical dilemma and not an easy problem to solve.

    I fully agree with this, and truthfully, the people who are preaching to remain in complete ISO till a vaccine of some sort is provided are likely either seniors with pensions, well established financially where the lack of income doesnt impact them or are fortunate to work from home.. but for those who arent any of those things (and there are  A LOTTTTT of them).. much of what you described earlier is not far fetched and could easily happen... the economy can not remain shut down and in lock down for a minimum of 18 months (if not longer..). Regardless, a loss of life will be taking place, whether in ISO or not.

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  3. 1 hour ago, El_Chingon said:

    I agree with this.  My greatest fear is the thought of government relaxing at-home orders coupled with the whole narrative of "summer heat will kill off the virus."  All that will accomplish is making the idiots overconfident.  Idiots will abandon common-sense precautions, and we will be back to square 1 or even worse when fall/winter rolls around, when irresponsible/stupid/selfish behavior leads to more outbreaks that return with a devastating vengeance.

    Fully agreed. We all saw the idiots during spring break when this was already 'a thing'... and the zero f---*s given... imagine Trump strolling out to his presser and telling the country 'hey everybody, we re safe, youre going back to work tomorrow and can go back to normal life' .. wellllll... all i can say is.. end game. That 2nd wave will be worse than the first wave.. 

    I can only hope that while restrictions are lifted in moderation, that your president doesnt come out and make it appear everything is fine and no restrictions remain in place.. our prime minister has said we will be phasing back into normalcy and will take in all likelihood atleast a year... which i agree with.. 

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  4. 49 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

    1.  They would have to be tested BEFORE going on any airplane to fly to Arizona.  2. They would have to be tested a second time by Arizona officials then placed in mandatory quarantine all alone there for two week since if they caught the virus at either airport or on the plane it might not test positive until much later.  3.  Test kits are NOT flying out the door no matter what the administration keeps saying.  4.  The current tests are now showing they are anywhere from 1/3 to 47% (depending on the quick surveys being run so far) unreliable as in giving false negatives when the person actually IS infected.   And of course we have NO idea how accurate the newer tests being developed will be.

    Also the German soccer leagues are being tested by a German-made kit and not the American ones that have been failing left and right.  The German-made ones were banned from being imported here because of politics and "made in the USA" stuff very early on.  So we don't know how reliable they would be compared to the poor ones here.

    I get all you are saying.. but.. is it that hard? To have them tested prior to leaving for AZ? tested upon arrival? quarantined for 14 days? I mean, wouldnt you do it for millions of dollars? Maybe i am in the minority here, but, i would do it. 

    Beyond that, youre right, the lack of testing does still pose a problem, but, none of this would be happening untill those concerns have been taken care of, both from the amount of tests available and also their reliance.

    These talks are simply that.. talks.. and they only turn to action if some of the issues discussed are resolved, but, untill then, there is no issue with them formulating a plan in case things do work out and they are ready to go as opposed to sitting on their a** all this time doing nothing and being left to rush once approval is given which would only delay things further.

    I am happy with the MLB discussing options and doing their best to get the game back on the field.

    Also, on a side note.. wtf is with USA not accepting German kits if they have been deemed superior. *shrugs*

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  5. 6 minutes ago, TheForearmShiver said:

    A month from now tests will be abundant. Many of the big pharma and med device companies are racing to get them produced. 

    Agreed. I think everyone realizes how much some countries screwed up in the lack of testing kits being available, thus forcing all these companies to mass produce them and do so in a quick manner.. ofcourse, the potential issue with this is the possibility of a lack of quality due to it being rushed.. but, im definitely hoping i am wrong here.

  6. Just now, 89Topps said:


    Chewing gum and sunflower seeds are going to be the deal breaker in this plan.

    As a fellow human, i can acknowledge breaking habits are hard. However, i would also like to think that if they are educated prior to as why they may not be able to do that, or if they do, they must discard it properly that they would be capable of doing it while looking out for their teammates and their contracts to be honest. But, i have been let down by humanity plenty of times so breaking a habit that occurs so frequently and without much thought might be hard to accomplish.

  7. 2 hours ago, MrBrown said:

    NJ is now requiring everyone in supermarkets, shoppers and staff, to wear masks. 

    Good. Should have been done a while ago. This procedure is being followed in China and Germany will be following the same protocol shortly (masks required on transit, public buildings, basically outside of your home)

    What happens if caught without? Fine? Prison? If you know. Good on NJ for enforcing this though.

  8. 2 hours ago, coleporter said:

    Exactly. Players are coming in from all corners including hot spots. That includes all staff, TV and radio. Even without fans these games will still have more than 50 people involved far more than the recommended 5-10 for gatherings. How do you social distance in a dugout or when you are on base? Not practical at all.

    I dont understand what is so hard for some of you guys to understand in relation to the whole 'coming in from hot spots' arguement.

    All players and staff would be tested PRIOR to anything even happening... all contact with the outside world does not exist once there... IF... IFFFFFF everybody who shows up to AZ for the MLB season tests negative, given the restrictions and guidelines and of course the assumption that all follow it properly.. NO BODDYYYYYY should be capable of testing positive or spreading this disease around. 

    44 minutes ago, Jyeatbvg said:

    Hoooold up, what happened to there not being enough test kits? If MLB will somehow get their hands on 1,200 test kits just to get baseball going, while there's still a backlog of these for normal folks, that would be a tragedy. 

    Testing kits are being produced at a much higher rate at the moment, as well as new technologies involving rapid testing.. MLB has stated (along with other major leagues) that they will only return if testing is not being taken away from those who need it.. this is one of the reasons the German soccer league has begun training together again due to the test kits available.. it would be no different in North America.

  9. On a more positive note, for those of you who love 'the beautiful game'.. German has announced their top 2 divisions will kick off again at the start of May, while the Serie A in Italy has confirmed they are now beginning talks with when/how they will resume their leagues. Slowly but surely.. sports will be back in our lives..

  10. 4 minutes ago, tucker26 said:

    agreed but hopefully it puts to bed the delusional mid May baseball talk being tossed around here...even mlb quickly backed down off of that one. Good riddance, lol

    I am one of those May baseball backers.. i dont believe the idea has been diagnosed as impossible by MLB either. They didnt shut down the Passan talk.. simply said nothing was official or confirmed and that the talks were in its infancy stages. I dont have an issue with that, and i also think Ahmed when using the 60 games is simply stating a worst case scenario.. which.. May baseball or not.. the league must still plan for a worst case scenario even if it never sees light (the same way they are planning for a best case scenario with May baseball).. i dont believe these Ahmed quotes change anything, to be honest, aside from providing people like you and me hope that even if it came down to a 60 game season, they would still do their best to make it happen.

  11. 9 minutes ago, tucker26 said:


    “What I’ve heard is 60 is probably a number that’s still going to happen. Obviously everybody hopes we’re going to play a lot more than that. But if it does come down to that and we don’t start until August or something like that, we’re still all going to give it a go.”

    Encouraging to hear the word according to Nick Ahmed is that they would still give it a go in August and the minimum is 60 games as a presumptive worst case scenario. Gonna be interesting to see what it looks like when it happens. 

    Encouraging that they would still give it a go, certainly. Definitely not the number i think any of us (players included) would want to represent a MLB regular season.

  12. 8 minutes ago, daynlokki said:

    Ok so expenses. House payment cannot be foreclosed on and banks are going to be helping people catch up after this. Well that’s done. Car payment? Most new cars are currently not making you pay a payment for the next six months. Think they are fine there. They need 4K a day of doordash or something? It’s not like most can really leave their houses to spend extra cash. Weird these guys making multi millions of dollars somehow don’t have a savings account. 

    I disagree with all of this so much.. but.. whatever.. the fact guys like Arenado, Wood, Barnhart, among others have stated they are willing to play if this is the only way it can be done should close this sort of talk and conversation immediately. The players themselves are indicating that if push comes to shove.. they will do it. End of discussion.

  13. 19 minutes ago, daynlokki said:

    Pretty sure most people would be able to live off 4% of a major league salary. That was also so that anyone on a current MLB roster will get a full year of service time if it’s canceled as well. Betts may never play with the Dodgers. 

    Yes, most people like you or me who spend our time on a fantasy baseball forum...

    4% for guys with millions of dollars of bills to pay for some how likely can not live off 4% of their regular pay days.

  14. 31 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

    Isn’t that only one player’s wife? What about the other 900+ wives? You seem to only go to that one wife, and never account for the other 900+. Let’s not assume every wife wants what only one wants. 

    again One more time ... I can’t assume anything but since this is a fantasy baseball forum everyone of us who posts, love this game and are upset that this virus has taken the game we love away... we all want baseball back, but some don’t believe is going to happen, while others think we will see baseball in May, June or July. A guy at the grocery store is an avid fantasy owner who the other day told me that he is 100% certain baseball is going to start up in July. I laughed. I sure hope I am wrong. 

    keep fighting the good fight. 

    I am also afraid that we might not have any football this year. 🤬

    Sure, it is only one wife that has been referenced, and while it isnt good to generalize, i am going to generalize in this moment and make the assumption that if one woman is ok with her man being gone for a few months to ink those millions of dollars worth of cheques.. im sure she isnt the only one.. It is kinda like the belief that not everybody likes money.. but most of us do... not everybody likes pizza.. but most of us do... not everybody drinks water.. but most of us do.. same concept..

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    9 hours ago, desert86 said:

    And that's a fine approach to take on an individual level.  However he's painting the picture of people expecting a 2020 season as seeing unicorns and rainbows and his own view as realism and not negativity.  In reality people are working on having a 2020 season.  In reality players and owners want to make money on the 2020 season.  It's fine not to believe it will happen and be pleasantly surprised when it does, but don't paint that as reality.


    6 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:

    This 1000%. Seems literally everyone from MLB baseball to the doctors who study this stuff believe there will be some sort of baseball this year, in some capacity. Why is it the person who disagrees with them is somehow cemented in reality, while those of us who are listening and seem to think things look promising, even if it’s June or July and a 100 game season, are painted as “believing in unicorns”? That’s absolute BS and deserves to be called out every time. 

    agreed. thank you. every time it will be called out.. it goes both ways..

    6 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:


    Being skeptical is fine. But there’s enough thoughts on both sides that painting people who listen to others are believing in “unicorns and rainbows” is a BS thing to say with absolutely no standing. That’s the point. Simmons and Clemens are no experts. If Dr. Fauci appears to see some version of the plan plausible, meaning he believes some baseball could happen, forgive me if I listen to that.

    I find this funny, because when Fauci speaks and says everyone needs to do this. this, and that.. the world sits.. listens.. and agrees.. but when Fauci sees promise in the return of baseball via this plan.. those same people now discredit him.. what a crock..

    6 hours ago, tonycpsu said:


    That's *your* point, maybe.  You and several others here seem to want to prolong this conversation about who's sufficiently optimistic, pessimistic, or realistic instead of simply accepting that we all have different views of what's feasible.  I was merely sharing a link from someone who might not be an expert on epidemiology, but is far more qualified to talk about baseball.  I happen to think some version of baseball could probably work once we're well over the hump and have sufficient testing in place, but I'm not here to participate in this particular pissing match.

    It goes both ways man.. i do agree that people have gotten away from the convo (myself included).. but if my posts are going to be edited/removed for those same things you are allowing among others directed to those who are optimistic.. well.. thats just wrong.

    5 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:



    So a poster said “He was being pragmatic and not believing in unicorns,” and then went on some strawman about rainbows and roses if baseball isn’t back in a few weeks (not one person said that), then followed that those listening to plans are living in a “dream-colored world.” But I’m the one not accepting the reality that we all have different views. 

    Ok, Tony. Have a good one. ✌🏼

    thank you.

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  16. 2 hours ago, azeri98 said:

    Being not able to see their families for 4 and half months is huge. could you imagine if a players wife, child or parent has some type of medical issue or accident and he can't see them because he has to isolate?

    So, i made a comment about this yesterday in relation to an interview with Passan.

    Long story short.. the player he was discussing the issue with initially agreed.. went home.. wife asked if him going meant getting paid? It does.. she said go play ball..

    Man, im sure a lot of families are willing to face time for a few months to pocket millions of dollars or for the lesser earners give her husband a chance to pursue his dream in the bigs..

    35 minutes ago, azeri98 said:

    So we would have minor league baseball then, No thanks I will wait until next year if that's the case. I won't watch AAA baseball on TV with empty stadiums and hardly any star players. I would watch it live but not on TV.

    Yeah... youre not the only one to say that.. [...] i hope you guys both enjoy your summers with no baseball.. but... i would bet every cent i have that you will both be tuning in.. you love baseball.. i think?.. ofcourse youre going to watch, man.

  17. 1 hour ago, GamblorLA said:


    Nice post.  I'm not saying this as an insult and I hope I don't sound self righteous, but I really hope some of you guys aren't this negative in your thinking in general.  Since we're all armchair epidemiologists, I'm tempted to be an armchair shrink maybe suggest that some of you start considering the possibility of clinical depression.  

    It's no good to go through life constantly worried about what could go wrong and looking for flaws and problems.  A lot of bad stuff happens no matter what. Everyone fails a bunch. And not long from now we'll all be in the grave.  Worry and constant pessimism won't change that, but they will prevent you from tasting the good things and getting the most out of your time here. 

    I think we should be friends.

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  18. 37 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

    I LOLed.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, I respect skepticism that this concept is in it's infancy and might be half baked.

    IDK if lawyers are gonna matter.  They can hardly get the ball rolling for concussions in football so I doubt they get much traction here.

    I also am not sure if the policy of 14 day quarantines for anyone who tests positive for everyone on the field is going to be as ironclad as OP is envisioning just because that's what the NBA and politicians did, but I could be wrong.

    I suspect they'll find a way to play baseball this year this way or another way because it's just too many dollars and TV eyeballs to leave on the table not to find a way.  But I think we all know the public health and logistical elements might be impossible to overcome.  Guess we'll see.

    Passan noted multiple times that this idea has the backing of high level federal health officials. That in itself speaks volumes..

    Further more, today, players like Arenado (among others) voiced their opinions and approved the idea of playing in Arizona... AS LONG AS IT IS SAFE.. 

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  19. 36 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

    Yeah I just wrote a tome over in the covid-19 baseball thread about that.  There are way to many bad scenarios that could happen to get serious about playing at all yet.

    Thats the thing, no one is going to be playing yet

    I fully agree with you that at this present moment, it should not proceed. Hurdles need to be cleared. Tests to be readily available and at mass quantities. First response health workers must be assured they are taken care of first. In a months time *May* .. why is this not feasable? given the number of companies and governments all working together in this fight against Corona, i dont see why it isnt possible.

    So, to talk about baseball on April 7th, and discuss possible ways of making that happen logistically next month.. it isnt too soon to do so.

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  20. 1 hour ago, Backdoor Slider said:

    MLB players considering being away from their wives and toddlers for 4 1/2 months


    Passan did an interview which kind of made me laugh... the reporter had made mention of something similiar, that the idea of having players away from their families is absolutely crazy and that no one is going to agree to it.. which Passan stopped the reporter, agreed with him, before going on to say a player who had spoken to shared similiar thoughts.. the next morning.. that player texted him and stated his wife was ok with him going if it meant getting paid.. lol... gold digging putas.

  21. 34 minutes ago, mavsfan23 said:

    I'll take my odds guessing what a team will do with an extra few rosters spots, over figuring out when and where baseball will begin. 

    I am curious just as you are.. who would these changes for the 2020 season impact the most?

    I initially built my roster full of relievers and a handful who carry the SP,RP designation.. so, if relievers arent going to be useful or have a very diminished role, i need to start dropping guys and finding replacement pitchers ASAP. lol.

    My understanding of this plan is the season will start in Arizona, as in, the possibility remains that they finish in their respective cities, but, by that point, fantasy playoff contention may not even be realistic for myself so it wouldnt matter.

  22. 10 hours ago, cs3 said:



    That's why getting games on isn't a priority.

    You're wrong. Sports are a priority and that call between Trump and the other Commishioners is now starting to look a whole lot like 'get sports back on ASAP'

    7 hours ago, MrBrown said:

    So what happens when a player gets injured?  It sounds like they're just looking to throw a biscuit to ESPN and sports writers so they have something to do right now.

    Like i have said before, you're hands down the most negative person i have encountered in my life. This is great news filled with potential and hope and the only thing you can do... againnnnn.. is **** on it.. man, smile, be optimistic for once and hope this goes through and goes through properly.

    Also, another poster made an interesting point.. have about 10 minor leaguers on stand by. He compared that to how the NFL has it set up. Keep them close to the team and in game shape, train with the team, and if needed, they are ready to go.

    2 hours ago, GamblorLA said:



    Where there's a will and access to private islands, there's a way.  

    Love this!

    1 hour ago, Blood Brother said:

    sounds like wishful thinking to me. Very, very skeptical of them pulling this off and players being OK with this.

    Well, if you have read the articles, they do state the plan has the approval of both the players union and high level federal health officials.

    I strongly doubt the players union would approve this plan without discussing it with the players first, so, they are obviously for the idea.

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  23. 2 hours ago, JE7HorseGod said:

    Per ESPN, "officials do not believe that a positive test alone would necessarily be cause to quarantine an entire team or shut down the season."

    That would be a surprising take.


    I found that interesting as well, but, according to sources, the idea has approval of both the players union and 'high ranking federal public health officials'


    2 hours ago, azeri98 said:

    That's just greed over safety and I doubt the players feel that way. I think as soon as one person in MLB gets not even a player gets covid it will be shut down especially if all the teams are in one state. The NBA shut down due to one guy getting it and it turned out more ended up getting it from just that one player.

    I dont look at it as 'greed over safety' to be honest... i get why you would; the ability to earn millions. I look at it as players trying to provide the fans with something to be positive about, something to look forward to, if the athletes in their mansions are going crazy with these restrictions, im sure they can imagine the ones living in small a** apartments with none of the luxuries they have (and still being bored)

    In relaiton to the NBA shutting down, yeah, it was also something new and shook the world.. times are a little different now.. and the stadium wont be full of 20k fans like the NBA arens were when that happened. Big difference in situation.

    26 minutes ago, Cmilne23 said:

    It’s an interesting topic for sure.  So far we have a handful of athletes (NBA players) who contracted Covid-19.  If you listen to Gobert, Donovan Mitchell, none of them every displayed any symptoms.  So their bodies were business as normal.  Now for them and most other athletes it will be similar.  But the tricky part is what if 26 year old Lindor has Covid-19, he’s in the locker with an old manager who it could easily spread to, whos not as likely to not have symptoms after contact with the virus.  Its above my pay grade to make decisions like that.  In the climate we are in right now I don’t think you’ll see a major sport started unless every i has been dotted and every t crossed.  There isn’t going to be rushed product to the market place.  So id be confident if they started in May/June there is a very secure and organized plan in place.

    Agreed. If it just about money and greed, they would have started up again by now in some way and i am sure Trump would have approved. If this happens.. you better believe they have as you said a 'very secure and organized plan in place' .. well said, man.

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