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  1. 11 minutes ago, UberRebel said:

    IF (again, IF IF IF)


    Baseball were played without fans, couldn't the concern that you couldn't social distance teams within themselves (at least in games) be addressed by spacing everyone out in the stands? 


    So instead of the teams huddling up in the dugout together, everyone takes a seat in the stands and everyone sits 8 seats away from each other. Teams sit on opposing sides of home plate.


    Sounds ridiculous I know, but that would almost have to be the case if Baseball were played in the era of COVID-19, right? Does that basically make trying this not even worth it?

    Honestly, i dont understand why people are worried about the teams spacing themselves out during the games. Afterall, if this is going to work, they are all going to be confined into a specific area.. only be allowed to travel from hotel to stadium and back.. constant testing.. no contact with anyone outside of professional baseball who are all going to be following the same guidelines.

    In other words, there will be no need for the spacing out of the players during the game when living under these conditions.. theres no reason any one within these organizations should be testing positive so the need to distance doesnt really make sense to me.

  2. 13 minutes ago, cs3 said:

    I've even read some recent tweets from sources within MLB that this is something they're actually discussing, but there is a huge reason I can't see the "quarantine at the spring training complexes" thing ever working:

    What in the world are you going to do with all the minor leaguers? I've posted this on another site already, but MLB doesn't run without minor leaguers. What happens when a major leaguer gets injured, or suspended, or goes on leave? Where are the replacements going to come from?

    You can't expect any players to be ready jump onto an MLB team if they’re just sitting at home without any live games to keep them in shape and sharp. So are are all the MiLB leagues also going to be quarantined as well? Where at? How will they all be housed? The logistics are a nightmare. And that doesn't even take into account any legal hurdles, or ramifications in the event any players, umps, or team employees end up contracting the virus.

    I will be absolutely shocked if this turns out to be the solution. No baseball is infinitely more likely than AZ quarantined baseball imo.





    Ill be honest and admit to the fact this isnt even something i had considered, even though its something that is so clear and in plain sight. Very good point... i hadnt even considered the possibility of what the minor leaguers are gonna be doing and what happens in the case a replacement is needed? Man..

  3. 13 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:


    It's certainly true that MLB players are motivated by carrot and home depot workers are motivated by stick.  When most people were blowing this off, I made the same point, that most of these guys are set for life and don't NEED to do anything and wouldn't be pressured into playing. 

    On the other hand, I think most of them really want to.  Think about fighters and NFL players.  I'll take my chances with covid over CTE.  EASY choice. These NFL players know they are going to be 85 year old men in daily pain at age 45. Most keep playing long after they are set financially.  Different sport I know.  But they got here because they have a great drive and because being a professional athlete is wonderful. So, they won't be strongarmed into playing, but they will want to play and look for ways to make it work.

    I know it's a bit more complicated than just getting some guys on the field, but it's not a space shuttle launch either.  I mean, we're just a bunch of dopes posting on an FBB message board and we've already come up with some good ideas, like using the front rows instead of the dug outs to keep a distance.  Hell, I don't see why you couldn't play baseball in a mask and Chris Sabo goggles.  I guess the Korean players were practicing with masks.  Maybe that would make it nearly risk free.  Maybe not.

    I don't have any real insight into how bad the pandemic will be.  I know some healthy young people have died.  Anecdotal evidence tells us these aren't all obese/smokers.  It's also an excellent point by big bat theory that a pro athlete doesn't need long term lung damage .  Time will tell on these issues.  Exactly how risky is it for a healthy young person? Will that malaria thing work?  How many people will have been exposed in 2 months, and will they be basically in the clear?  If you take the right precautions, will an activity like baseball be nearly risk free or Russian roulette? 

    But my position is that, overall, baseball is MORE likely than some random business or activity to come back while many act like it's less.  They make so much money with so few people compared to, idk, a landscaping business or an auto shop or anything else. That's not just a matter of financial motivation, it means they have the resources to take elaborate precautions and still make a huge profit.  And 99% of players and owners love what they do and are driven people. And lastly, it's about relative risk.  If the virus is just a minor threat (starts singing punk song) but most people are doing things like going to stores and seeing movies, it would be silly not to make millions of dollars as a famous baseball player.  It will probably be lower risk than going to the store. So if you're doing one, why not the other? 

    So if life is anything like normal, I think we see baseball.  If we don't see baseball, I think that means things will be very bad overall.  

    Agreed, well said. I am with you on this, 100%.

  4. Does anybody know how long after the 'peak' it takes to return to normalcy? I mean, i guess its a hard question because no one minus some of Asia has begun to do so, i dont know when they reached their peak though.

    New Rochelle was the 1st place in NY to really get hit, was it not? They released their last corona positive patient not too long ago. Hmm.. 

    Just curious. i feel like its possible and i could be wrong that once a peak is reached things can begin to be opened up cautiously 3-4 weeks after that.

  5. 4 minutes ago, cornerback said:

    for Germany. Sunday numbers are Always lower. Sunday is our free day (in normal  Times too). everything is closed. no Supermarkets, no Nothing. your gas Station is open, thats all.  so a lot of local reporting is not there. but our Trend is Looking good Overall. that will continue. Germans are very efficient. when Merkel adressed us (she did the first time in her 15 years, she normally speaks only once a year to welcome the new year) everybody knew, ok this is different and serious. since then, simply 90%+ are following the protocol with discipline.

    i totally get that, same in Portugal and most of the world.. my point is i question if Sunday is still viewed as 'free day' taking the situation into consideration, thats all. I just feel there is too much at risk to be treating Sundays like we are in normal times.

  6. 6 minutes ago, MrBrown said:

    The numbers may have changed but they aren't all up to date.  NJ numbers were last updated at 1pm.  There's sources for where they're pulling the numbers man.



    No one said they were up to date, thats why i asked when they are finalized.

    Also, are you suggesting people would take Sundays off or take it easy cuz its a Sunday even in a moment like this? i feel like these are different times man.. Sunday isnt Sunday right noiw..

  7. 8 minutes ago, MrBrown said:


    No those numbers haven't been updated since 1pm EST today.

    That isnt true, man.

    I have refreshed it multiple times through out the day and the numbers have all changed, some more than others, but they have changed and this was through out the day which is why i asked when they finalize the numbers for the day, cuz they kept changing.

  8. 2 minutes ago, Whitecloud0101 said:

    best thing I’ve heard all day...this factual?

    Yeah, i pulled all those numbers from the website.. i mean, i dont know how many times it updates which is why i asked earlier, but as of when i wrote it, those were the numbers.. definitely some positives.. i would really like to think that within the next few weeks we can have those numbers in N.America down a lot more leading to some start dates being discussed (under the assumption hospitals are in better position and more equipment is provided to them)

  9. Its 6pm EST, roughly.

    New York has approx 4,000 less cases today than yesterday.

    New Jersey has approx 1,000 less cases today than yesterday

    California has roughly 800 less cases than yesterday (although on the West coast, that can still go up quickly)

    The USA as a whole of me writing this has 13,000 less cases today than they did yesterday.

    Meanwhile, in Europe, Spain, Italy, France and Germany have all seen dramatic drops in cases over the last couple days (today included)

    Unfortunately, Canada has only roughly 20 less cases today than yesterday (not taking into account the West and their time difference)

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  10. At what point of the day do these numbers on 'worldometers' get finalized? I am assuming it is by State depending on their respective time zone?

    Looking at a lot of the numbers of some individual states, There seems to be positives happening.. although i realize untill it happens for days and days and days consecutively, it doesnt mean all that much just yet.

  11. Just thinking out loud...

    would you guys be in agreement with me if i suggested that how the soccer leagues in Europe approach things starting this week with the return to training together is further aid in N.Americas return to sport? Assuming that it all goes well, ofcourse. I also think their plan on eventually getting everyone training together (which hasnt been discussed yet) will also be a stepping stone in our aid to a return as well, again, if it all goes smoothly.

  12. 7 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

    The whole saving lives vs. saving the economy isnt a zero sum game. 

    Obviously lives should be the priority, but a wrecked economy will cost lives in it's own right. Theres a perfect balance out there for this is handled, but even that will be horrible. 

    In general, it's alarming that it got this bad, but a virus that you can have and spread for two weeks before you even show signs is pretty awful. I do think that if this virus started here (for example) instead of China, it would have been knocked down quicker and the world notified sooner. 

    That is the scary thing... the fact it didnt originate in the U.S.A and even so, the western world still was not prepared knowing it was coming. I honestly can not even imagine if it hit us blindly without any knowledge or time to prepare.. i feel it would have been even worse..

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  13. 22 minutes ago, countseth said:

    Ok, one week ago, I posted the text above as part of a larger post proposing how MLB might play a season. 

    Now look who’s publicly considering exactly what I’d proposed:


    Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that Major League Baseball is considering opening the season in empty spring training parks -- with no fans and all players quarantined.

    The plan would have all teams stationed in one centralized location -- likely Arizona. Rosenthal notes, "The logistics of quarantining 30 teams in one area would be extremely complex and potentially controversial... requiring local, state and federal government cooperation and resources that might be necessary to fight the coronavirus pandemic." The major logistical concern though, "To play under quarantine, the sport would need to protect the health not only of players and other club personnel, but also umpires and those producing the television broadcasts, plus hotel workers, bus drivers and anyone else involved with the players and games". It's encouraging to hear that MLB is exploring all possible options to begin the season as soon as possible and to fit in as many games as possible during the 2020 season.


    Yeah. I think a lot of us have realized its the only realistic way its going to happen. I still believe we will see it at some point in May, giving the MLB enough time to address any logistical issues they may face, while also allowing the many companies now working together to produce medical supplies to ensure there are no shortages for first responders (which is the biggest obstacle)

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  14. 38 minutes ago, MrBrown said:

    Well that's more to do with MLB doing a god awful job at "disciplining" the Astros.

    I dont disagree, i mean, the punishment itself was not sufficient in my opinion, but for them to come out and say that their punishment will be served even if no games is played is unacceptable. Essentially, all of MLB is serving a suspension on par with the Astros if that is the case and MLB have now grouped the two together. Disapointing.

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  15. 2 hours ago, MrBrown said:

    I think they said they wouldn't announce punishment until baseball activities start back up.  Which is really dumb.

    In some ways, i think its good to wait..

    Although it isnt something we could have predicted, the Astros are getting off completely free, Hinch and their former GM may not even have to miss a single game if theres no baseball this year, which is messed up, what punishment did they really serve? its on par with the whole of MLB. Crazy..

    Wait untill there is baseball and force them to serve potential suspensions.

  16. 5 minutes ago, WahooManiac said:

    So even if this theoretical season happens,  what about the Blue Jays?  Aren't they stuck in Canada through mid June? 

    You referring to the ban you read about earlier in this thread? if so, no, that ban applies only to city run festivals/events/permit related events and does not realte to the Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors, among other professional sports teams.

    Even so, if they proceed with an isolated area where all teams are present, it wouldnt even matter.

  17. 31 minutes ago, cornerback said:

    im a Bayern munich fan. word is, they are starting in Groups of 4 and 5 on Monday. other Bundesliga Clubs (Dortmund-Frankfurt) already did that this week.


    Overall our death numbers are expected and so far lower then expected by most. in the south Hospitals are at 80-90 % capacity. but we have reserve in the North. where many are at 60% or lower. so far our System holds up. we ll see what happens next week.


    we re locked in til 19th. after that i would assume  some time added. Maybe a week or 2. after that we will try to open Things up slowly. i think thats the real test. we re at  a doubling rate of new cases of 10 days now. trying to get it to 14 days. 

    Yes, that is what i read, groups of 4 and 5, i still question how they will determine when it is safe for all to train together and go back to normal in the futebol world.

    In relation to Germanys numbers, thats great! honestly, the Germans have their **** together and can always be looked at in modern day as the model to follow. Good job to your country so far and i hope you guys get it upto 14 days and even better in the near future! 

  18. In Italy:


    Juventus, another one of the big teams in the world of club soccer are beginning to get back to training.. much like Bayern Munich, there will be restrictions.

    Juventus plans to test all players, breaking them up into 3 groups, positive, immune, and non-immune. A few of the Juve players have already had covid-19 for those who follow the game. Training will take place in those 3 separate groups as well. Again, no set date to return to action..

    I do question both Germany and Italy, and how even upon a return to training, if they cant train together, how would they play together? Im guessing plans are being put in place and those with scientific backgrounds would be able to help with that process..

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  19. So, a point of interest i have come across:


    The article is in Portuguese, however, feel free to translate it, or, you can take it from me. The article says Bayern Munich, who is one of the biggest soccer clubs in the world and located in Germany will begin training together on Monday. There will be restrictions however, some of those being how they train. They will train in small groups.

    Look, Germany is getting hit pretty bad right now (not U.S bad, but bad), so i am going to assume they have done enough thinking and got their **** together to allow such big name athletes to get back together for training. No word yet on when games will resume, but, in Portugal, they plan on getting back together in May for training sessions with the season to be started up again in June.

    This is definitely promising news and hopefully a sign of things to come in North America.

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