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  1. On 12/12/2020 at 5:55 PM, perkinsfor3 said:

    Tyrese Haliburton: – Maybe, pretty sure, my favorite guard in the draft. Eddie Jones’ cousin, and I noticed some flashes of his game in college. I think Haliburton could end up being the best player in this class (not fantasy wise, per sé). His college steals numbers were somewhat inflated, but he gets his hands on quite a few balls. Tyrese and Kira were the only guards to shoot at least 45% FG, 35% from 3, and 80% from the charity stripe. He’s incredibly crafty and has great size and tools. He’s not the best athlete or fastest player, but I think he will have no trouble finding a role in the league.
    Predicted stats: 26.00 mpg, 50.5% fg%, 1.3 3pm, 85.0% ft%, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.4 bpg, 2.4 topg, 8.6 ppg

     

    Edit: the fg my model produced is higher than what I expext. I'm thinking 47% fg.

    • 48.7% FG% (208/427)
    • 42.3% 3P% (91/215)
    • 86.8% FT% (33/38)
  2. On 12/12/2020 at 9:21 PM, MrCantaloupe said:

     

    I don't mean to sound like an a**, but how does a model "predict" 85% FT for a kid that shot 82.2% in his final year of college (77.5% over 2 years) and 81.7% in high school?

    Also, if he scores 3.9 points per game on threes (1.3 makes), but scores only 8.6 points, how is he supposed to shoot 47%, let alone 50.5%? He would need to be either an elite 3-point shooter (like, top-5 PG in the NBA) or an elite 2-point FG% guard (like top 10 in the NBA), or near-elite in both.

    Outside of the 26 minutes, it seems like this model is predicting his ceiling.

    https://kingsherald.com/articles/tyrese-haliburtons-shooting-growth-is-insane/

    49.5% FG, 44.2% 3pt, 81.0%FT

     

     

  3. On 12/12/2020 at 9:21 PM, MrCantaloupe said:

     

    I don't mean to sound like an a**, but how does a model "predict" 85% FT for a kid that shot 82.2% in his final year of college (77.5% over 2 years) and 81.7% in high school?

    Also, if he scores 3.9 points per game on threes (1.3 makes), but scores only 8.6 points, how is he supposed to shoot 47%, let alone 50.5%? He would need to be either an elite 3-point shooter (like, top-5 PG in the NBA) or an elite 2-point FG% guard (like top 10 in the NBA), or near-elite in both.

    Outside of the 26 minutes, it seems like this model is predicting his ceiling.

     

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  4. On 1/19/2021 at 7:16 PM, fabrar said:

    Lol you guys are really gonna drop after 2 bad games? After he's been so good as a rookie? Wish I played in these leagues.

    Welcome to Rotoworld, home of kneejerk reactions, sprinkled with 'dropcities' and 'run, dont walks' and other empty calorie  comments. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, bbythepier said:

     

    My reply is not something where I want to get in a back n forth, but I'm a greedy fantasy owner and want Ja Morant rookie minutes at 31 a game (like has happened after his wrist bruise). I personally don't think it matters who he plays against, starters or bench guys. Plus playing with Cory Joseph or Glenn Robinson bricking their open 3s and ruining his assists, I'd rather he be passing to Holmes on the oop or Hield on the wing. And I don't care about his slender body because Morant is a skinny dude too. Lastly, when RAPM comes out he will likely be one of the highest in the league (at least Kevin Pelton mentions it enough). So playing him more will greatly help Walton's job prospects.

    Also, Haliburton might not start, but he's finishing. If you check the rotations, you'll also notice how he's playing against a lot of units which have mostly starters. 

  6. On 12/12/2020 at 5:55 PM, perkinsfor3 said:

    Tyrese Haliburton: – Maybe, pretty sure, my favorite guard in the draft. Eddie Jones’ cousin, and I noticed some flashes of his game in college. I think Haliburton could end up being the best player in this class (not fantasy wise, per sé). His college steals numbers were somewhat inflated, but he gets his hands on quite a few balls. Tyrese and Kira were the only guards to shoot at least 45% FG, 35% from 3, and 80% from the charity stripe. He’s incredibly crafty and has great size and tools. He’s not the best athlete or fastest player, but I think he will have no trouble finding a role in the league.
    Predicted stats: 26.00 mpg, 50.5% fg%, 1.3 3pm, 85.0% ft%, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.4 bpg, 2.4 topg, 8.6 ppg

     

    Edit: the fg my model produced is higher than what I expext. I'm thinking 47% fg.

    [Anderson] Kings rookie Tyrese Haliburton is No. 1 in the NBA in offensive rating (142.4). Richaun Holmes is first in FG% (.692) and fourth in TS% (.723). The Kings have moved up to 11th in pace (102.17).

     

     

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, DezedandConfused said:

    Not sure. I like Collins, but especially last year, their game was a lot about putting up gaudy stats and not about winning. I'm not sure if Collins would put up much better stats than he did last year with most teams. 

  8. I'd say, stats wise, you could look at his statistical output as something of a hybrid between rookie Malcolm Brodgon and, funnily enough, rookie Eddie Jones, his big cousin. The high efficiency combined with good steals numbers (they will come) is fantasy gold. I think my model which I shared the output of on page 1 might have been really close to a correct prediction, only the minutes are relatively low in that one - which is basically the only thing I could be ******** up, myself here. 

  9. Just now, Totasef said:

    Change of scenery would not help because he is not that good. He is not first and surely wont be last that wasnt playing up to expectations of a top 3 pick. You need to work and improve. If you are coming from the bench, prove your worth to be a starter. What other team would be suitable for him? Other then OKC, I see no other team willing to give him a starters role and be patient with him and thats only because OKC are going to tank for a lottery pick.

    I think he meant change of scenery for Bagley and Walton might help the Kings. 

  10. 7 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

    Yeah I don’t see who is to hold here. He is ranked outside the top 150. Holmes has been playing outstanding. What knowledgeable owner is trading “For” Bagley?

    Vivek, but I'm not sure if he plays fantasy basketball.

     

    Matter of fact, he probably thinks / approaches the NBA as a fantasy league. 

  11. 11 minutes ago, fachowski said:

    I compare him to Haliburton because they look composed as rookies. I can see the Chauncey comp though.

    His 3 straight made free throws in the clutch was noteworthy (add the fact that he drew the foul on Trae Young by giving him a taste of his own medicine)

    I get that. And even though it was expected that this draft would probably produce some very good role players, it's exciting to see Haliburton, Quickley and also Maldeon playing such an advanced game. All three could/should be good starters in the league soon. 

  12. 8 minutes ago, kane said:

    Haliburton and him,Which one do you think will have higher fantasy upside?

    Hali. My favorite player in this class - Quickley maybe second. So there's that, but Haliburton has shown to be capable of racking up steals much more than Quickley. Both have good value in dynasty leagues though. 

  13. I think they're already approaching Bagley as a supporting player instead of building block. He probably can be had for a decent offer, like Devonte Graham type of value. That's also a name which is being floated among Kings fans as a potential trade piece - they're clearly moving on from him as fans. Vivek might be a bit slower in that aspect. 

     

    Short history of Kings Lottery picks since 1990:

     

    Draft year Round Pick Player College/High School
    1990 1 7 Lionel Simmons Loved him, was amazing as a rook and soph, but injuries derailed career. Also had the infamous Game Boy injury.
    1990 1 14 Travis Mays Only spend one season with the Kings. Played in Italy within 3 years of the draft. 
    1991 1 3 Billy Owens Held out in rookie year, didn't play a game for the Kings initially and was traded ffor Mitch Richmond. Huge bust for being picked #3.
    1992 1 7 Walt Williams Loved Walt. 
    1993 1 7 Bobby Hurley Injured during rookie season in car accident, never lived up to potential.
    1994 1 8 Brian Grant Left Kings after rookie season.
    1995 1 13 Corliss Williamson Had a good few seasons in Sacramento.
    1996 1 14 Peja Stojakovic Good pick.
    1997 1 11 Tariq Abdul-Wahad Flop, traded for Nick Anderson.
    1998 1 7 Jason Williams Good pick.
    2007 1 10 Spencer Hawes Flop. Traded for Dalembert before rookie deal expired.
    2008 1 12 Jason Thompson Spend most of his career with Sac. After being traded for Landry, he ended up playing in China and Turkey quite soon.
    2009 1 4 Tyreke Evans Good rookie season, but never did much after that. Traded for Greivis Vasquez.
    2010 1 5 DeMarcus Cousins Good pick.
    2011 1 7 Bismack Biyombo Traded draft night.
    2012 1 5 Thomas Robinson LMFAO, dumped within a year.
    2013 1 7 Ben McLemore Gorgeous shot, ugly career.
    2014 1 8 Nik Stauskas Ugly career. Traded alongside Thompson, Landry 2 firsts for ... Nothing.. in order to save money.
    2015 1 6 Willie Cauley-Stein Late in rookie deal QO was pulled to make room for... Cory Joseph.
    2016 1 8 Marquese Chriss Traded draft night for Bogi and the picks that turned into...  Georgios Papagiannis and Skal Labissière
    2017 1 5 De'Aaron Fox Good pick.
    2017 1 10 Zach Collins Traded #10 for #15 (Justin Jackson ...lmao) and Harry Giles (which they didnt take team option on last season...lmao)
    2018 1 2 Marvin Bagley Here were are...
    2020 1 12 Tyrese Haliburton Excellent pick. Vivek probably overslept. 
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  14. 2 minutes ago, JormaJormala said:

    Definitely some Ron Artest as he is very uncomfortable for a PG, really does not pass the eye test with his coordination and movement. Might be better fit playing off the ball with occasional play making duties in the flow of the game sprinkled in. Not build for a play maker in this league for sure. More of a shooter-defensive presence-all around type of a guy.

    He played off the ball mostly in college, but when he played on the ball he showed he was a very capable, albeit somewhat impatient, passer and playmaker. If Calipari would've played him at PG and showcased him a bit more, like he probably would've been at Kansas, where he initially signed, he probably would've been a lottery pick. He's a great ISO player, has great slashing ability and handles the ball really well, so saying he is very uncomfortable as a PG is nonsense, but we all know about your Ray Charles impersonations. What is actually remarkable is how well he handles being a PG in the NBA right away, which position should be his main focus. He also looks like a great fit with Randle, who's a very capable passer but not a great ballhandler. With Randle as a post playmaker, and Quickley's slashing ability (he's going to eat at the FT line - he is elite at drawing the foul, already), ability to find space and keep moving on offense and strong build, the Knicks finally have something to really start watching games for again - the IQ/Rivers/RJ/Randle/Mitch line up is going to do well for them. Quickley is not one to get a lot of steals, but his defenseis good and has a lot of upside. He has long arms (6-9 wingspan), good rfefexes and if he stays patient, he could become quite good on that end as well. He's already leading the team and communicating a lot - probably most, of anyone on that roster so far. The nickname IQ is sticking for more than one reason. As mentioned, I'd look at a Billups or a CJ or a Mitchell, maybe a Brogdon skill-wise to see his upside. 

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  15. 43 minutes ago, fachowski said:

    He plays like a more athletic version of Haliburton.

    And speaking of trust, Thibs played a rookie.. in the 4th quarter..in a close game..against a top seeded team (at that time at least). That's a whole lot of trust.

    With that said, I do expect that he might get shut out in the next game by a Jazz defense that wants to bounce back after a loss.

    I'm seeing some Chauncey Billups in him. Quickley is just so smart about the way he moves and his positioning. Don't see much of a comparison with Haliburton tbh. I'm also seeing some Ron Artest in him, and that's a mix of the face plus the way he walks/runs. 

     

     

  16. 4 minutes ago, JormaJormala said:

    Sure, he rebounded well against underdeveloped kids in the church gym. Let see him do it on a back-to-back game against NBA size front court on a gloomy Tuesday night.

    Yeah, you're talking nonsese. You might need to start reading and stop posting around here. 

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    12 hours ago, JormaJormala said:

    Yeah right? I went to Toronto boards and it is a **** show towards Boucher. The dude has been hands down best player on the front court thus far, but he only gets shitted on. Laughable. 

    "Jarred Vanderbilt is Very lanky and thin for C position" but posts twice a day propping up Chris ******** Boucher. You sir, are a fraud and represent everything what makes these boards laughable as a source of info/input. 

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