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  1. 10 minutes ago, Elcapitan said:

    Anyone else worried Akiem Hicks is coming back for this game? AJ didnt do so well the first game against the bears but they are at home this time.

     

    It definitely hurts the Packers run game with Hicks back.  However, they played the Bears week 1.  I'm willing to give LaFleur and team somewhat of a pass as it was their first game with their new head coach.  Here's to hoping Jones sees 20-25 touches this week.

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  2. 13 minutes ago, Dr. Whom said:

    The packers are 10-3...are you guys saying they would be undefeated by feeding Aaron Jones non-stop? Seems like what they are doing is working...

     

    Nope, I'm not.  I'm only saying that I would like to see Jones's usage be more consistent.  Maybe the game against the Chargers turns out differently if they get Jones involved in the passing game like they did the week before against the Chiefs.  Maybe they beat the Eagles if they give Jones a couple of tries to punch the ball in from the goal line when they had 4 tries.  Just because they are 10-3 doesn't mean we can't be critical of the team.

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  3. 1 hour ago, FinsUp24 said:


    You disagree that more touches increases the chance of injury?... 

    I’m sure Kerryon Johnson owners were thrilled with his workload before he went down. 
    Obviously bellcow is a subjective term, but I’d say a fair definition is a player that has a near monopoly on his backfield. There are only a handful in the NFL. If a guy is averaging 20+ touches, he typically falls in that category. It’s awesome that Jones is even close to that. 

    The point that seems to be eluding people in here is that Lafleur is not a raging idiot that is blind to the talent of Jones. He just realizes that it is a violent sport, and if he can get solid production out of two backs instead of running one into the ground, he will. Jones is an explosive talent that feeds on efficiency and big plays. You don’t really want him grinding a defense down the way you would for a player like Fournette. But this is just my opinion. I completely understand the desire for a big juicy workload. 

     

    Kerryon Johnson was averaging 16 touches per game.........

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  4. 2 minutes ago, HOF12 said:

     

    Yup this time around tho if they have trouble running the ball they have better throw to jones at least. Less than 5 targets in the games vs chargers,niners and Carolina. I believe he had 1 vs niners, 3 vs chargers and 0 vs Carolina. 

    These last two games tho have looked better. It was nice to hear lefleur admit that in the plays where it’s a design pass play to the Rb jones should be the one in the game. 

     

    Absolutely!  Outside of Adams, they don't have any other dynamic playmakers.  It is Jones and Adams, that's all they've got.  Besides Rodgers obviously.  Why you wouldn't want the ball in their hands as much as possible is beyond me.  The Chargers game was especially frustrating.  Jones just came off of a 7 rec for 159 yard game the week prior against the Chiefs.  How you only give him 3 targets in that game is beyond me.  

  5. 3 minutes ago, HOF12 said:

     Yup i have seen them play Jamal a lot more against tougher defenses. Even so if it’s a tougher defense give jones more targets than Jamal’s. And then split carries. Idk why they always go away from giving jones the ball when they play tougher defenses. 

     

    Because the tougher defenses are hard to run against and the O-Line isn't that great.  So, they try to run a handful of times, Jones gets stuffed cuz there aren't any holes, and then they let Rodgers throw it all over the place.  

  6. 1 minute ago, K197040 said:

    What is really confounding to me is the previous lack of use in the passing game.  It's clear that he's the better pass catcher and better runner in space.  If LeFleur is dead set on splitting carries, it seems that Jones should at least get the lion's share of 3rd down work.  

     

    Yup, completely agree.  Early on in their careers Williams was in on 3rd downs because he was the better pass protecting back.  However, I can't recall any recent plays where Jones has been in on 3rd down and missed a block which allowed Rodgers to get blown up.  So, I'm not sure that is the case anymore.

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  7. 12 minutes ago, FinsUp24 said:


    I don’t want to get into this old debate that has been had a million times on these forums. Let’s just agree that with the workload he is getting, he is more likely to stay healthy than if he were a complete bell cow. Then let’s acknowledge that with the workload he has gotten, he is the RB7 in PPR. He isn’t going to turn into a bellcow barring a Williams injury, and that’s okay. I love the way he is being used. 

     

    I don't need or want to debate as we seem to have differing opinions and that's cool.  I will agree to disagree on the fact that he is more likely to stay healthy with the amount of touches he is getting now as opposed to being the bell cow.  I guess I'd like to know what your definition of a "bell cow" is as you keep using that phrase.  If your definition is 30 touches a game like you stated earlier, there isn't a RB in the league that is averaging 30 touches a game.  McCaffrey is averaging 19 rush attempts and 8 targets per game.  Just shy of that.  Jones is averaging 13 carries and 4 targets a game.  I think that number should be 20-25 personally.  

     

    I've been a Jones supporter from day 1 and always believed he was the superior talent over Williams.  It is obvious this is the true and his touches, playing time need to reflect that.  And that is from purely a Packers fan perspective, not fantasy related.  

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  8. 2 minutes ago, FinsUp24 said:

    For those that don’t get the split with Williams, it’s to keep Jones fresh. As much as we all want a 30 touch workhorse, that just doesn’t make practical sense. Williams is playing well and makes it easy for the coaching staff to justify a split. I personally am happy with the workload. If Lafluer gave him the 25 touches a game you’re begging for, Jones likely would be injured by now. Just be happy with the returns. He has been an absolute joy to own this year. 

     

    I'm not sure anyone is calling for a 30 touch workhorse role from Jones.  I know that I'm not.  I'm looking for some consistency with his touches.  I know there are mitigating factors that play into how many touches a player gets.  But Jones should get 20 touches per game.  Also, to suggest that if he were to get 25 touches a game would result in "him being injured by now" is pure speculation.  There is nothing to suggest that is the case.  Since 2017 he's missed 5 games due to sprained MCLs.  Not much a player can do about injuries like that.  It isn't like he is constantly battling "soft tissue" problems like Alshon Jeffrey.  

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  9. If and that's a big IF, LaFleur has finally figured out that Jones gives them the best opportunity to win, he would be match-up proof.  I think LaFleur still believes that Williams is still the superior pass blocker and that's why he is in most times when they are in the hurry up.  I'm only speculating here though.  It's the only thing that makes sense to me as to why Williams is still getting so much playing time.  It should be around a 70/30 split between Jones and Williams.

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  10. 1 hour ago, Olliemets said:

    If they score can you really blame them? I watched the game.. he got stuffed at least twice from the 1 yard line and had a TD called back for a holding penalty. He's been money around the GL and you'd hope they'd pound it to him every time ala Henry and the Titans, but in the end they'll do whatever it takes for 6.

     

    As a Packers fan, of course you can't blame them.  6 is 6 no matter who scores.  But I still maintain, that they get "too cute" around the GL because they have Rodgers.  Prime example is the loss to the Eagles.  They had 1st and goal from the 1 yd line if memory serves me correctly.  They attempted 4 passes instead of trying to run it.  If the Packers had Tannenhill under center instead of Rodgers, I'd be willing to bet they would have tried to run it at least once in that situation.   

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  11. Jones has the same curse every other RB on the Packers has had over the past decade, Aaron Rodgers.  When you have a HOF QB  that doesn't throw INTs often, you obviously have more options inside the 5 yard line.  Jones had a TD called back on a hold, that's just bad luck.  But then later he got stopped on the 1/2 or 1 yard line.  So, naturally, on the next play, you throw it to your 35 year old TE who had 10 receptions all season and hasn't caught a TD.  Those two plays will more than likely cost me the win this week but that's what you get with Packers RBs.  

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  12. 1 minute ago, Kyle87 said:

    Browns?  Maybe not, more like the Colts.  They are an elite, play-off locked, super-bowl caliber team with their QB.  Without that they are a pile of garbage that can really only beat the worst teams in the league... barely.

     

    On the bright side at least we get to play the browns this season and see who's better.  I wouldn't be very surprised if the Pack loses that game in all honesty.

     

    Man, if they lose to the Browns, I'm finalizing my transition to become a Pats fan.  But then again, if they lose to the Browns, maybe that would help Murphy to see that TT, MM and Capers are clowns and need to go.

  13. 3 minutes ago, Kyle87 said:

    While it seems a bit bias given the current big suspension/legal issue going on the Elliot it's good that someone is doing something.  Goodell has just handled every big situation handed to him pretty much as horribly as he possibly could have.

     

    But he's just trying to "defend the shield" man, come on...........

     

    And as someone else above me pointed out, Goodell is not JJ's boss.  It is the other way around.  Goodell serves the owners.

  14. 15 hours ago, Anteater99 said:

    I wasn't implying the experts were wrong. It was common sense that no other packer was startable for the lions game. The point of my post was... Now jones has officially lost that designation. That's what I said. That's my opinion, I've been over this yesterday, some people think he is still startable, and in this offense i want nothing to do with him until he proves otherwise 

     

    "it was common knowledge ty was going to be the third down back" is revisionist history. After aj's blowup in week 7, with ty getting almost no touches and far less than week 6, no.  What you had was a ton of people saying it was aj's backfield.  I don't mean just this thread. I mean the ty thread as well, where a ton of people said they cut him. I don't remember seeing one post after the week 7 game suggesting this was going to be an rbbc. Anywhere. 

     

    And here's my point - it doesn't matter who gets how many touches. It doesn't matter if all those ty owners cut him. No one is startable in this offense. Hope im wrong, and if Hundley has even a passable game I'll be right here apologizing. As it stands the packers are less fantasy relevant than the 49ers because they have Hyde. They are as irrelevant as the Browns. Hope im proven wrong 

     

    Rw blurb writer today called both aj and ty rb2/3's. Does anyone here think any packers rb is capable of a top 24 performance against the bears? What's a stronger word than optimism, other than delusion? 

     

    Very well put but I do have some different opinions. I do still think that Jones is startable.  There is no reason why he couldn't put up comparable numbers as he did against the Saints.  He just needs the touches.  

     

    I also don't think that saying "it was common knowledge ty was going to be the third down back" was revisionist history.  Ty's role in this offense wasn't going to completely disappear because AJ was running away with the job.  To me, AJ is a much better runner while Ty is a much better pass catching RB.  They were and still are going to serve different purposes in this offense.  

     

    Did you really just say the Packers offense is comparable to the Browns?  lol  I just died a little inside..........

  15. Thanks for the replies fellas.  Like many of you, I can't bring myself to drop Jordy either.  If Hundley would have seen Jordy wide open last week and turns that play from a sack into a TD, we might not even be having this conversation.  But, Hundley is playing awful right now so who knows what is going to happen with Jordy.  As a Packers fan I'm hoping that the more practice reps and game experience he gets, the better Hundley will play.  But, who knows if that will happen.  I'm currently 3-6 and actually got Jordy in a trade AFTER Rodgers got injured.  So, my opinion of Jordy might be a bit bullish.  

  16. 7 minutes ago, Anteater99 said:

    before the lions game the experts said aaron jones was the only player in this offense to have fantasy value.

    we can officially take his name off the list...

     

    http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40008668-4

     

    And the experts weren't wrong.  The game started to get away from the Packers and MM panicked when he didn't need to.  They could have still tried to establish the run but that didn't happen.

     

    Ok, Ty coming in on 3rd down was pretty much common knowledge.  Nothing has changed regarding their usage.

  17. So, for those you who are dropping Jordy and even Aaron Jones, who is on your WW that is a better option than either of those guys?  I know it depends on league size and what not but there is absolute hot garbage on the WW in my 12 team league.  I can't fathom dropping a player like Jordy for WW fodder?  

  18. 49 minutes ago, Red Dog said:

     

    I was thinking more along the lines he doesn't have a very good team to work with.  GBs oline and defense are below average, add an inexperienced QB and not many coaches would have faired better.

     

    Rogers covered up a lot of those deficiencies.

     

    This is the same team that was winning with Rodgers at the helm.  Yes, Rodgers covers up a lot of those deficiencies. But Hundley has been with the Packers for 3 years now.  He should know the offense and MM should know his strengths and weaknesses as a back up QB and create a game plan accordingly.  MM can't do that.  

  19. MM is an idiot, he needs to be fired.  I've been calling for his head for years now but whatever.  It is inexcusable to give AJ 5 carries on the night.  MM just doesn't know what to do when he doesn't have Rodgers to bail his a** out.  He always talks about "trying to establish the running game", yet, he never does.  Or he runs it a handful of times and when then says, "welp, that isn't working, time to throw it!".  He isn't a good play-caller, he isn't good at making adjustments, he isn't good at anything really other than looking like a St. Bernard on the sidelines.  

  20. 2 minutes ago, Ddam2013 said:

    Im an eagle's fan not much of an Ajayi fan but this is extremely similar to Gurley last season , he couldn't do anything in that offense behind that offensive line and the rams fixed that and gurley is reaping the rewards. Ajayi can't do anything in that offense behind that offensive line and now he's moving to a new team. So it can't get worse but I don't know how much better it will get for him.

    Last season he played in 15 games and only had 4 or 5 good games depending on standards, yes 3 of them were extremely good games which buoyed hus season stats, but he seems like a boom or bust RB which is odd to type. I think he improves in Philly but Pederson uses RBBC so ajayi will get some run but he wont be a 3 down bellcow like people drafted him to be.

     

    I don't think we really have any idea how Pederson intends to use Ajayi.  He has only been the Eagles HC for 1.5 seasons and yes, in that tenure, he has employed a RBBC.  But I think that was more out of necessity.  The Eagles didn't really have a RB like Ajayi could be a 3-down back.  

  21. 3 minutes ago, CrastersCreep said:

    The bye week sucks this is a major improvement however

     

    I understand that bye weeks are tough to manage sometimes, but you have to remember that bye weeks for actual football players can be beneficial.  I think the bye week could help Ajayi by giving him an extra week to learn the Eagles system and to give him a week of rest.

  22. I don't see how people can possibly say that this isn't an upgrade for Ajayi's situation.  The Dolphins have been awful this season as has Ajayi.  Even if this isn't a huge upgrade for Ajayi, it is an upgrade.  The Eagles wouldn't sent a 4th round pick to the Dolphins if they planned to use him in a 4-headed committee. 

  23. 9 minutes ago, Red Dog said:

    Sell high infers he won't perform well again.  In my assessment he's a RB2 with RB1 upside.  Those are hard to find, so yes sell for a top 10 WR, or Gronk, otherwise he's a hold for me.

     

    This.  I am kicking myself for dropping him the same week I picked him up because I thought Ty was going to play through his rib injury.  And I didn't believe he was that good.  I was wrong and now I'm trying to trade for him.  He definitely passes the eye test and I believe is a better RB than Ty at this point.  I could see him continue to run away with the starting job and win it outright next season.  So, in my keeper league he has a lot more value than in a re-draft league IMO.

     

    Also, why do people, when trying to ague against a player's performance, discredit the fact that they gain a lot of those yards on specific plays?  That doesn't make sense to me.  Yes, he had a 46 yd TD run and that accounted for a good chunk of his yardage.  But he also had a 46 yd TD run!  I could see arguing if he had a 75 yd TD run and then ended the day with 90 yds.  Sure, it makes some sense there but still.  

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