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You didn't bring this up specifically, but I assume the thought behind that plan is to exploit recent trends in positional scarcity.

What I mean by that is, especially given the experience and talent in LABR, the auction is going to be more efficient than a normal league. Significant bargains are rare when the players are so familiar with the market, and in many cases, are the very people that help dictate market value for players because their fantasy content is so widely read.

By rostering 3 of the premier SS on the board, you forced multiple teams to roster below replacement-level SS and MI, and (I think) changed the dynamic of the auction. Team Carty spent $38 on Schumaker, Theriot and Uribe. You could argue that the middle tier SS (Drew, Castro, Furcal, Desmond) went for more than they were expected to.

A lot of the advice that is given by experts is defensive ("Don't overpay for saves/starting pitching," "Make sure you get a power bat at 1B.") It's refreshing to see someone come out with an exploitative mindset.

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You didn't bring this up specifically, but I assume the thought behind that plan is to exploit recent trends in positional scarcity.

What I mean by that is, especially given the experience and talent in LABR, the auction is going to be more efficient than a normal league. Significant bargains are rare when the players are so familiar with the market, and in many cases, are the very people that help dictate market value for players because their fantasy content is so widely read.

By rostering 3 of the premier SS on the board, you forced multiple teams to roster below replacement-level SS and MI, and (I think) changed the dynamic of the auction. Team Carty spent $38 on Schumaker, Theriot and Uribe. You could argue that the middle tier SS (Drew, Castro, Furcal, Desmond) went for more than they were expected to.

A lot of the advice that is given by experts is defensive ("Don't overpay for saves/starting pitching," "Make sure you get a power bat at 1B.") It's refreshing to see someone come out with an exploitative mindset.

I guess the key is having success with any plan. In comparison to Team Carty, I think Hall, Colvin, and Burrell could hit 60 homeruns for $23.

Saves are tough to buy in any trading format. You could buy a better player for less money and then trade for saves.

I had Castro down for $19 on my prices, but I wouldn't have paid that much. Furcal and Desmond went too high. I had Drew down for $20. I have this feeling he could surprise this year.

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What makes you think Miller will be called up this year?

I think he is the best arm in the system. They lost Wainwright. Carpenter has already had problems this spring. I don't have a lot of faith in Kyle Lohse.

Last year he was in the big league camp working with Duncan. He's going to start the year at AA. He's probably only worth taking a shot in NL only league or 50 round draft.

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I apologize - perhaps the rosters are a lot deeper than I realized, and I have never played an FAAB baseball league before. Your post sounded like a "look at me" post which I highly detest on these boards. For the record, I think your AL team is a champion team.

The dual tactic of 1) loading up on talent at shallow positions w/ hopes to trade and 2) throwing monkey wrenches into drafting tactics is highly risky, imho. You hope and pray to be able to flip them for better statistical performances at deeper positions when you could probably have just drafted that guy at that slot - which means you have to be half lucky and half smart. I tried this same strategy in my earlier days of FBB and it didn't work out so well for me.

I don't see any of the guys you referenced in your earlier post (Miller, Boggs, Barfield, etc.) on your team - am I not looking at the right thing?

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I apologize - perhaps the rosters are a lot deeper than I realized, and I have never played an FAAB baseball league before. Your post sounded like a "look at me" post which I highly detest on these boards. For the record, I think your AL team is a champion team.

The dual tactic of 1) loading up on talent at shallow positions w/ hopes to trade and 2) throwing monkey wrenches into drafting tactics is highly risky, imho. You hope and pray to be able to flip them for better statistical performances at deeper positions when you could probably have just drafted that guy at that slot - which means you have to be half lucky and half smart. I tried this same strategy in my earlier days of FBB and it didn't work out so well for me.

I don't see any of the guys you referenced in your earlier post (Miller, Boggs, Barfield, etc.) on your team - am I not looking at the right thing?

I'm not sure what you were looking at when you saw the team. My first thought was that Barfield was the has been you were talking about which makes sense.

I really don't think the key to the offense is the shortstops. I need players like Belt and Freeman to step up to be difference makers. I saw Belt when I was in Arizona. He crush a three run bomb deep to right field. It wasn't off a name pitcher, but he looked like the power he showed last year was for real.

Rollins will be easy to move. Plus the most help on the waiver wire will be from the outfield position. We are weak at the catcher position, but we may only need 10 homeruns.

In these type of leagues, you did well if you get over 200 HR's and have 130 plus steals.

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I'm not sure what you were looking at when you saw the team. My first thought was that Barfield was the has been you were talking about which makes sense.

I really don't think the key to the offense is the shortstops. I need players like Belt and Freeman to step up to be difference makers. I saw Belt when I was in Arizona. He crush a three run bomb deep to right field. It wasn't off a name pitcher, but he looked like the power he showed last year was for real.

Rollins will be easy to move. Plus the most help on the waiver wire will be from the outfield position. We are weak at the catcher position, but we may only need 10 homeruns.

In these type of leagues, you did well if you get over 200 HR's and have 130 plus steals.

This.

The has-beens I was referring to are Burrell and Bill Hall (who are arguably your best OF - yikes!) and the rookies should be obvious.

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This.

The has-beens I was referring to are Burrell and Bill Hall (who are arguably your best OF - yikes!) and the rookies should be obvious.

Maybe you don't see the value in Hall this year. He's only 31 and he has 20 home run potential from a middle infield position. We later add Eric Young Jr for his upside in speed.

Burrell may not look attractive, but in this format he has value. He hit 20 Hr's last year. He looked like he was in good shape in Arizona. If he fails, we have Belt who has a chance to steal some at bats.

As for outfield, we kill every other team at 2B and SS. We just need to find power and at bats. Have you ever played in an NL or AL only league? There are only 128 possible starters. With 13 teams, that's only 10 starters per team. How many of the real players only have part time roles?

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Maybe you don't see the value in Hall this year. He's only 31 and he has 20 home run potential from a middle infield position. We later add Eric Young Jr for his upside in speed.

Burrell may not look attractive, but in this format he has value. He hit 20 Hr's last year. He looked like he was in good shape in Arizona. If he fails, we have Belt who has a chance to steal some at bats.

As for outfield, we kill every other team at 2B and SS. We just need to find power and at bats. Have you ever played in an NL or AL only league? There are only 128 possible starters. With 13 teams, that's only 10 starters per team. How many of the real players only have part time roles?

2B is highly debatable, but you should kill everyone at SS - you spent $101 (38% of your budget) on ONE position. Meanwhile, most of the other teams have everyday players at most positions on their teams. So let's say the strategy of people overpaying for one of your three SS works by May or June - you'll still more than likely be in the hole for that first month when you're scraping for ABs from your players w/o fulltime positions (EY, Belt, Cousins, Heisey, Ramos) and be playing from behind the whole season unless you really soak someone - and you just said depth was a problem in AL/NL Only leagues. Who's going to swap you multiple FT players for Hanley or Tulo, let alone Rollins?

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and im still wondering why these are different size leagues here? If you could elaborate?

The American league has 14 teams and the National league has 16 teams. To address the larger player pool in the NL, they added another team and a tenth pitching slot. The AL has 126 possible starting hitters (14 X 9) and the NL has 128 (8 x 16) or 10.6 and 10.8 per league. Every team is going to have three or four holes in their lineup. The key is finding holes that turn into at bats later in the year. Many times players will roster a weak player with no upside rather than a player with upside during the year. Would you rather own a player that will get 200 at bats all year or a June call up that may get 300 the rest of the way?

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I would rather have the players with the most upside. I would rather have Moustakous or Montero then some bum that gets me 2 homers. I get the option of having trade bait with guys like that too. It would be awfully hard to move Stubby Clapp and his minimal production i would assume.

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I would rather have the players with the most upside. I would rather have Moustakous or Montero then some bum that gets me 2 homers. I get the option of having trade bait with guys like that too. It would be awfully hard to move Stubby Clapp and his minimal production i would assume.

Interesting story about Montero, I did an AL auction league two days before heading to LABR. I wanted to buy Montero in that league and I had $7 as my price I was willing to pay. Unfortunately I called out Montero after Posada was rostered by a good owner (NFBC online champion last year - $85,000). I bid seven on him and he went 8. I bid 9 because I thought he would go higher because he owned Posada. He did. I bid 11 out of spite and he bought him for $12. He better have a great year to earn his salary.

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Its 16 team mixed.

These are players I forced into a 15 team league. I'm plus 100 in dollar values (4000 spent - 3900 budget). Many of the back end players will change. This just give me a feel for players prices going into the auction and I then have to come up with a game plan. If your league has keepers, it changes the whole playing field.

1B Albert Pujols 42

1B Joey Votto 34

1B Miguel Cabrera 33

1B Mark Teixeira 29

1B Adrian Gonzalez 29

1B Ryan Howard 28

1B Prince Fielder 27

1B Kevin Youkilis 23

1B Adam Dunn 20

1B Paul Konerko 17

1B Billy Butler 17

1B Justin Morneau 16

1B Aubrey Huff 15

1B Adam LaRoche 15

1B Carlos Lee 13

2B Robinson Cano 32

2B Ian Kinsler 25

2B Dustin Pedroia 24

2B Chase Utley 22

2B Dan Uggla 20

2B Rickie Weeks 20

2B Brandon Phillips 18

2B Kelly Johnson 17

2B Martin Prado 16

2B Ben Zobrist 15

2B Chone Figgins 12

2B Gordon Beckham 11

2B Brian Roberts 11

2B Howie Kendrick 10

2B Aaron Hill 10

3B Alex Rodriguez 33

3B Evan Longoria 32

3B David Wright 27

3B Jose Bautista 24

3B Ryan Zimmerman 23

3B Adrian Beltre 20

3B Pablo Sandoval 17

3B Mark Reynolds 16

3B Pedro Alvarez 16

3B Aramis Ramirez 15

3B Michael Young 13

3B Casey McGehee 12

3B Chase Headley 7

3B Ian Stewart 4

3B Edwin Encarnacion 3

C Joe Mauer 19

C Buster Posey 19

C Victor Martinez 18

C Brian McCann 16

C Carlos Santana 14

C Mike Napoli 14

C Geovany Soto 13

C Kurt Suzuki 12

C Miguel Montero 12

C Matt Wieters 12

C Jorge Posada 9

C John Buck 8

C Chris Iannetta 7

C J.P. Arencibia 7

C A.J. Pierzynski 7

C Carlos Ruiz 6

C Russell Martin 5

C Alex Avila 5

C Miguel Olivo 5

C Jarrod Saltalamacchi 4

C Ryan Doumit 4

C John Jaso 4

C Yadier Molina 3

C George Kottaras 1

C Chris Snyder 1

C Ryan Hanigan 1

C George Kottaras 1

C Hank Conger 1

C Josh Thole 1

C Yorvit Torrealba 1

CL Netali Feliz 17

CL Carlos Marmol 17

CL Brian Wilson 16

CL Joakin Soria 15

CL Heath Bell 15

CL Jonathan Papelbon 15

CL Mariano Rivera 15

CL Frankie Rodriguez 13

CL Chris Perez 13

CL John Axford 13

CL Andrew Bailey 12

CL Huston Street 12

CL Matt Thornton 12

CL Jose Valverde 12

CL Jonathan Broxton 11

CL J.J. Putz 11

CL Joe Nathan 11

CL Frank Francisco 10

CL Brad Lidge 10

CL Drew Storen 10

CL Joel Hanrahan 10

CL Craig Kimbrel 9

CL Leo Nunez 8

CL Francisco Cordero 8

CL Brandon League 7

CL Ryan Franklin 6

CL Brandon Lyon 6

CL Kevin Gregg 6

CL Jake McGee 5

CL Hisanori Takahashi 1

CO Gaby Sanchez 15

CO Ike Davis 13

CO Carlos Pena 13

CO Lance Berkman 12

CO Derrek Lee 11

CO James Loney 10

CO Freddie Freeman 9

CO Michael Cuddyer 9

CO Mike Moustakas 8

CO Kevin Kouzmanoff 8

CO Justin Smoak 7

CO Daric Barton 5

CO Chip Jones 2

CO Scott Rolen 2

CO Placido Polanco 1

DH Vlad Guerrero 14

DH Adam Lind 12

DH David Ortiz 11

DH Jose Lopez 8

DH Chris Johnson 7

DH Luke Scott 7

DH Hideki Matsui 5

DH Mitch Moorland 4

DH Matt LaPorta 4

DH Brandon Belt 3

DH Kila Ka'ahue 3

DH Pat Burrell 1

DH Johnny Damon 1

DH Cody Ross 1

DH Ben Francisco 1

MI Danny Espinosa 8

MI Yunel Escobar 8

MI Omar Infante 7

MI Tsuyoshi Nishioka 7

MI Cliff Pennington 7

MI Mike Aviles 6

MI Jason Bartlett 6

MI Asdrubal Cabrera 6

MI Erick Aybar 6

MI Bill Hall 5

MI Sean Rodriguez 4

MI Alexi Casilla 4

MI Alex Gonzalez 3

MI Ryan Theriot 3

MI Orlando Hudson 2

OF Carl Crawford 41

OF Carlos Gonzalez 34

OF Ryan Braun 34

OF Matt Kemp 29

OF B.J Upton 28

OF Josh Hamilton 27

OF Jacoby Ellsbury 27

OF Andrew McCutchen 26

OF Nelson Cruz 25

OF Alexis Rios 23

OF Justin Upton 22

OF Chin-Soo Choo 22

OF Hunter Pence 21

OF Andre Ethier 20

OF Juan Pierre 20

OF Jay Bruce 20

OF Drew Stubbs 20

OF Mike Stanton 20

OF Jason Werth 19

OF Jason Heyward 19

OF Ichiro Suzuki 19

OF Shane Victorino 19

OF Colby Rasmus 18

OF Chris Young 18

OF Michael Bourn 18

OF Nick Markakis 17

OF Corey Hart 17

OF Brett Gardner 16

OF Vernon Wells 16

OF Nick Swisher 15

OF Delmon Young 15

OF Curtis Granderson 14

OF Jason Kubel 14

OF Adam Jones 14

OF Jose Tabata 14

OF Rajai Davis 14

OF Torii Hunter 14

OF Carlos Quentin 13

OF Austin Jackson 13

OF Jason Bay 13

OF Angel Pagan 12

OF Coco Crisp 12

OF Dexter Fowler 12

OF Bobby Abreu 12

OF Raul Ibanez 11

OF Denard Span 10

OF Manny Ramirez 10

OF Andres Torres 10

OF Carlos Beltran 9

OF Magglio Ordonez 9

OF Julio Borbon 9

OF Tyler Colvin 9

OF Alfonzo Soriano 9

OF Ryan Raburn 8

OF Seth Smith 8

OF Travis Snider 8

OF Will Venable 7

OF Franklin Gutierrez 7

OF Logan Morrison 7

OF Carlos Gomez 7

OF Nyjer Morgan 6

OF Peter Bourjos 6

OF Grady Sizemore 6

OF Cameron Maybin 6

OF Josh Willingham 5

OF Dominic Brown 5

OF Michael Brantley 4

OF Desmond Jennings 4

OF Alex Gordon 4

OF Ryan Ludwick 3

OF Juan Rivera 3

OF Johnny Gomes 3

OF Roger Bernadina 3

OF Marlon Byrd 2

OF J.D. Drew 2

P Roy Halladay 28

P Felix Hernandez 27

P Tim Lincecum 27

P Jon Lester 24

P Clayton Kershaw 23

P Cliff Lee 22

P Justin Verlander 22

P C.C. Sabathia 21

P David Price 20

P Dan Haren 20

P Cole Hamels 20

P Jered Weaver 19

P Josh Johnson 19

P Matt Latos 18

P Yovanni Gallardo 18

P Francisco Liriano 17

P Roy Oswalt 16

P ZacK Greinke 15

P Tommy Hanson 15

P Max Scherzer 14

P Chris Carpenter 13

P Shaun Marcum 13

P Brett Anderson 13

P Chad Billingsley 13

P Daniel Hudson 13

P Colby Lewis 13

P Josh Beckett 12

P Brandon Morrow 12

P Clay Buchholz 12

P Jonathan Sanchez 12

P Jeremy Hellickson 11

P Gio Gonzalez 11

P John Danks 11

P Ted Lilly 11

P Wandy Rodriguez 11

P Ricky Romero 11

P Phillip Hughes 11

P Jake Peavy 10

P Edison Volquez 10

P James Shields 10

P Matt Garza 10

P Madison Bumgarner 10

P Tim Hudson 9

P Ricky Nolasco 9

P Hideki Kuroda 9

P Jhoulys Chacin 9

P Trevor Cahill 9

P John Lackey 8

P Brian Matusz 8

P Javier Vazquez 8

P Ervin Santana 8

P Edwin Jackson 8

P Ryan Dempster 8

P C.J Wilson 8

P Ian Kennedy 8

P Brett Myers 7

P Jordan Zimmerman 7

P Aroldis Chapman 7

P Jaime Garcia 7

P Gavin Floyd 7

P Johnny Cueto 7

P Anibal Sanchez 6

P Travis Wood 6

P Homer Bailey 6

P Kevin Slowey 5

P Jorge De La Rosa 5

P A.J. Burnett 5

P Joel Pineda 4

P Wade Davis 4

P Scott Baker 4

P Jair Jurrjens 4

P Jeff Niemann 4

P Brett Cecil 4

P Mike Minor 4

P Johan Santana 3

P Carlos Carrasco 3

P Clayton Richard 3

P Carlos Zambrano 3

P James McDonald 3

P Eric Bedard 3

P Rick Porcello 3

P Joel Pineiro 3

P Johnathan Niese 2

P Mike Pelfrey 2

P Derek Lowe 2

P Bud Norris 2

P Joe Blanton 1

P Carl Pavano 1

P Dallas Braden 1

P Brian Duensing 1

RP Chris Sale 6

RP Daniel Bard 4

RP Luke Gregerson 4

RP Rafael Soriano 4

RP Johnny Venters 4

RP Fernando Rodney 3

RP Hong-Chin Kuo 3

RP Ryan Madson 3

RP David Aardsma 3

RP Koji Uehara 2

RP Tyler Clippard 2

RP Clay Hensley 2

RP Evan Meek 2

RP Alexi Ogando 2

RP Matt Capps 2

SS Hanley Ramirez 42

SS Troy Tulowitzki 34

SS Jose Reyes 27

SS Jimmy Rollins 25

SS Alexei Ramirez 18

SS Derrek Jeter 17

SS Elvis Andrus 16

SS Stephen Drew 13

SS Starlin Castro 13

SS Juan Uribe 12

SS Ian Desmond 12

SS M. Tejada 10

SS J.J. Hardy 9

SS Jhonny Peralta 8

SS Alcides Escobar 8

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