DrGonzo 321 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would like to start off by saying that I have never seen him play aside from a few highlights. Now - does he really deserve all the attention he has been getting? I mean, as far as I am aware he is an undersized 2 guard/unskilled PG guard who was able to score big numbers on a pretty bad team. He is projected as a late-lottery/mid first round pick. What's the big deal? Am I missing something? The media seems to really love him. In keeping this on-topic, does he have any fantasy relevance next season (obviously depending on where he is drafted and whether there is a next season). Link to post Share on other sites
nickalero99 643 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 He's not an unskilled PG. He has some skill with distributing the ball. I look at him as a guy that could as easily be Adam Morrison as he could be Steph Curry lite. I really don't know truthfully. When you have some PG skills and range anywhere inside of half-court, you're going to draw attention. Watching defenses on him reminded me of Curry on Davidson, but he HAS to get the right situation. Otherwise he will be a long-range shooter off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites
Code of Hammurabi 4,371 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 im not really a believer, but if he goes to the right system he could have some value. Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Loblaw 0 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would like to start off by saying that I have never seen him play aside from a few highlights.Now - does he really deserve all the attention he has been getting? I mean, as far as I am aware he is an undersized 2 guard/unskilled PG guard who was able to score big numbers on a pretty bad team. He is projected as a late-lottery/mid first round pick. What's the big deal? Am I missing something? The media seems to really love him. In keeping this on-topic, does he have any fantasy relevance next season (obviously depending on where he is drafted and whether there is a next season). He definitely deserves attention, as the POY who scored nearly 29 PPG. He's a big question mark at the next level, that's for sure. I think his floor is a little higher than Morrison, due to his unreal range. At the very least he'll always have a roster to be on as a 3 point specialist off the bench. He plays zero defense, so he might need to luck into a situation like Phoenix, who is a possible landing spot. I think he'll turn into a solid 6th man with some scoring off the bench. His defense is REALLY bad, and I'm not sure it will ever be that much better. That's not to say he can't have a successful career as a 6th man, though. I'm not sold on him drivign to the hoop in the NBA, but he has good size at 6'2 and around 200 lbs. With the right pairing and scheme, he could be LETHAL off the P&R. BTW- BYU was a great team last year. They finished the season ranked #13, and were ranked #3 overall in the 16th week of the season by the AP Top 25 as well as the ESPN/Coaches Poll (BTW, there are 18 weeks to the season). Link to post Share on other sites
Tarheels_2433 1,150 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm not entirely sold on him being such a high pick either, but I few things that differentiate him from Morrison/Reddick... - Even though he's only 6'2" he's built pretty strong, you can tell he works out in the gym often. - He has an unreal amount of energy. He has a non-stop motor...it may better suit him coming off the bench giving his team the boost and "instant offense." - Also, he isn't just a shooter with unreal range. This guy has that ridiculous motor uses it to constantly attack the basket, and is very good at finishing at the rim even though he doesn't possess elite athletic ability. Also is very good at drawing fouls, getting to the free throw line, where he shoots close to 90%. He'll need to figure out how to play point guard or he'll be a 6th man type. Situation will definitely dictate what happens to a large extent, but I could see him developing into a good PG...I like his chances to succeed a lot more than Reddick/Morrison when they were coming out of college. Link to post Share on other sites
InmanRoshi 2 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I think you see a very similar player currently playing in the NBA Finals: Jason Terry Link to post Share on other sites
Thats Ridiculous 441 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Well, he got tons of attention in college. but from what i hear nowadays is that he's not even projected to be selected in the 1st round and hardly the 2nd round. Personally, I'd like him to be picked by the Utah Jazz. hometown hero. Link to post Share on other sites
rico381 260 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well, he got tons of attention in college.but from what i hear nowadays is that he's not even projected to be selected in the 1st round and hardly the 2nd round. Personally, I'd like him to be picked by the Utah Jazz. hometown hero. Every mock I've seen has him in the middle of the first round. DraftExpress has him going #15 to the Pacers. Chad Ford says the same thing. But "not even projected to be selected in the 1st round and hardly the 2nd round"... eh, close enough. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDevils22 409 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well, he got tons of attention in college.but from what i hear nowadays is that he's not even projected to be selected in the 1st round and hardly the 2nd round. Personally, I'd like him to be picked by the Utah Jazz. hometown hero. Where do u get your information from? Link to post Share on other sites
Thats Ridiculous 441 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I swear to God last time I checked he was projected at #22. Granted this was a few weeks AFTER the NCAA Championship took place. To me, at the time, I was surprised, because I thought for sure he'd be a 1st rounder. (this kid had so much hype this year in college, plus he did win the Player of the Year award) Admittingly, I haven't checked the most recent draft projections. But if you guys are saying he's now listed as a 1st Rounder, that is quite a surprise. I found it hilarious how you guys are now calling me crazy for saying he wasn't projected as a 1st Rounder or hardly a 2nd Rounder, whereas just a couple months ago he was indeed not a 1st Rounder or hardly a 2nd Rounder and the majority of the people in here felt the same way. (Aside from me, of course. Like I said, I thought he'd be a 1st rounder, and i was surprised to see most "experts" didn't even have him listed in thier 1st Round projections) I distinctly remember plenty of people in here saying how Jimmer Fredette would not even be a starter in the NBA, etc. So, don't act as if this was something new. Link to post Share on other sites
Grandy 91 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Its an interesting case study in that he clearly has game. Defensively coaches are going to have to find out just how much of a liability he is. Which is why I see him not doing much of anything his first couple years in while his SAC coach improves his footwork and lateral quickness. Similar to what Orlando did with Reddick. He's got good enough size at 6'2 and he can stroke it from three which in the NBA is a very marketable asset. But like nickalero said, he could be a big boom or big bust. Its so difficult scouting big college scorers because lots of times the way they are scoring doesn't translate to the NBA. I don't necessarily think that's the case with him because he can clearly shoot the rock. Its just figuring out if all of those points that he got off penetration and transition will be applicable . Link to post Share on other sites
Thats Ridiculous 441 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 As the great Magic Johnson says about certain players "he's a winner". Magic said that about Kemba Walker.(but we all know Magic is on that Kyrie Irving jock; Magic isn't even a huge fan of Kemba) And I think the same applies to Jimmer Fredette. Jimmer is a winner. At worst, he could be a Luke Ridnour type. And that's not too bad, especially fantasy-wise. At best, he could be a Stephen Curry type. Anyway, here's a snippet from an article from today: Early in the 2011 NBA Draft process, former BYU Cougars guard Jimmer Fredette was regarded as an instant-offense type of player, one more suited to come off the bench. The general consensus was that point guard prospects Kyrie Irving and, to a lesser extent, Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker, all rated higher than the 2011 Naismith Award winner. However, if the buzz from recent workouts offers any indication, Fredette's draft stock is on the rise and he could go as high as No.7 to the Sacramento Kings. Continue reading on Examiner.com Jimmer Fredette to Sacramento Kings buzz increases after workout - National NBA Draft | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/nba-draft-in-natio...t#ixzz1P5oVOtes Link to post Share on other sites
rabaak 349 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Well, he got tons of attention in college.but from what i hear nowadays is that he's not even projected to be selected in the 1st round and hardly the 2nd round. Personally, I'd like him to be picked by the Utah Jazz. hometown hero. Hah. He will never get by the genius of David Kahn who will select him at #2. No one evaluates talent like Kahn can. Link to post Share on other sites
cdoody 0 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 For any gamblers out there, a Draft Prop was made 2 weeks ago on many books and had Jimmer being a Lottery Pick. Yes (-125) No (Even). It's currently at Yes(-175) No (+125). I talked to his HS coach several days ago and there's no doubt that the Jazz love him. It seems like he's performed at every workout, coaches are raving about how much more athletic he is. The way he crafty will get him to the free throw line and he will be able to get his shot off at the next level. The only question is will he be able to finish at the rim. I'm sure he's been working on finishing from 5-7 feet out with floaters which he did a pretty good job of last year. I remember him hitting a few of those against Derrick Williams and Arizona last year. From a defensive standpoint, he's not going to harass the opposing PG 94 feet from the basket. He will get in passing lanes and he will compete in the post but he will not be a great man to man defender. He just doesn't get into a defensive stance enough. He still has a high enough basketball I.Q to cut off angles and stop his man from getting to the hoop. He will also do a better job at defending ball screen. I can't see this kid not being fantasy relevent next year. In 3-4 years I could see him similar to a Ben Gordon and putting up very similar numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
eyitchap 189 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I swear to God last time I checked he was projected at #22.To me, at the time, I was surprised, because I thought for sure he'd be a 1st rounder. how many teams do u believe are in the nba Link to post Share on other sites
Thats Ridiculous 441 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 how many teams do u believe are in the nba Isn't there about 30. What does that have to do with what i'm talking about? Link to post Share on other sites
eyitchap 189 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 how many picks do u believe are in the first round Link to post Share on other sites
fontaine 18 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I don't know where eyitchap is going with his post's, but I will say that I think Jimmer can be a REALLY good player in the right offense. I don't like him going to a team that runs half court sets. I would much rather see him go to a team like the Suns, Knicks, or even the Kings... I think he could flurish hitting some spot up jumpers, threes, and getting into the passing lane with his quick hands for some cheap steals.... Ben Gordon anyone? Link to post Share on other sites
Thats Ridiculous 441 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 how many picks do u believe are in the first round I believe there's 12. Next question. Link to post Share on other sites
nickalero99 643 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I believe there's 12.Next question. WHAT? How many rounds are there then? Link to post Share on other sites
markdash 1,318 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 12 picks in the first round? Priceless. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueDevils22 409 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 12 picks in the first round? Priceless. haha awesome! Im happy i made my way to this thread tonight to read the past few posts. Link to post Share on other sites
silianrail 189 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I believe there's 12.Next question. You got your head stuck in fantasy land? Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonzo 321 Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 I hear there is only 1 team in the lottery too. Link to post Share on other sites
eyitchap 189 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 excellent. Link to post Share on other sites
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