2ndCitySox 4,456 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Link to post Share on other sites
merlin401 853 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Link to post Share on other sites
TrueShoe 126 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Link to post Share on other sites
merlin401 853 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Oh yea lol? I bet a lot of people care about plate discipline and pitch recognition and MLB pitchers definitely care about it because they are going to see a hitter with holes galore to exploit. Bryant has a 29% K-rate in the AFL. At the MLB level, thats about 45% right now (thats Adam Dunn with contact issues lol). I'm not saying he can't make some adjustments, but he's nowhere near ready to match Longoria's rookie season right now. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueShoe 126 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Oh yea lol? I bet a lot of people care about plate discipline and pitch recognition and MLB pitchers definitely care about it because they are going to see a hitter with holes galore to exploit. Bryant has a 29% K-rate in the AFL. At the MLB level, thats about 45% right now (thats Adam Dunn with contact issues lol). I'm not saying he can't make some adjustments, but he's nowhere near ready to match Longoria's rookie season right now. Kris Bryant may already be a better hitter than Longoria. How do you figure 29% in the AFL is 45% in the MLB. Keep in mind that a majority of Kris Bryant's Ks are not from being fooled but just simply because he swings hard often. Plus you have an elite talent that has an entire off season to improve. Link to post Share on other sites
Halo Fan 625 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Oh yea lol? I bet a lot of people care about plate discipline and pitch recognition and MLB pitchers definitely care about it because they are going to see a hitter with holes galore to exploit. Bryant has a 29% K-rate in the AFL. At the MLB level, thats about 45% right now (thats Adam Dunn with contact issues lol). I'm not saying he can't make some adjustments, but he's nowhere near ready to match Longoria's rookie season right now. Kris Bryant may already be a better hitter than Longoria. How do you figure 29% in the AFL is 45% in the MLB. Keep in mind that a majority of Kris Bryant's Ks are not from being fooled but just simply because he swings hard often. Plus you have an elite talent that has an entire off season to improve. Isn't Longoria an elite talent who also has an entire off season to improve? Link to post Share on other sites
merlin401 853 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Oh yea lol? I bet a lot of people care about plate discipline and pitch recognition and MLB pitchers definitely care about it because they are going to see a hitter with holes galore to exploit. Bryant has a 29% K-rate in the AFL. At the MLB level, thats about 45% right now (thats Adam Dunn with contact issues lol). I'm not saying he can't make some adjustments, but he's nowhere near ready to match Longoria's rookie season right now. Kris Bryant may already be a better hitter than Longoria. How do you figure 29% in the AFL is 45% in the MLB. Keep in mind that a majority of Kris Bryant's Ks are not from being fooled but just simply because he swings hard often. Plus you have an elite talent that has an entire off season to improve. Hahaha, what? Re K-rate: I say that because pitchers in MLB are orders of magnitude better than pitchers in the AFL Re Bryant's K's: Wow so even his outs are just part of Bryant's grand plan. That's amazing. He's probably the first MLB player to do what he wants to do 100% of the time, Bravo! I'm glad he never gets fooled too although I wish I had access to all of his AFL at-bats via video and also his thoughts so that I could know this like you do. Link to post Share on other sites
macunit 107 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Longoria's AFL stats, 14-44(.318), 4 2b, 4 hr, 13:4 K:BB. And he had a 44:19 K;BB in his first minor league year. Obviously Bryant isn't a guarantee to reach the level Longoria has, but the comparisons aren't as ridiculous as people claim. It all depends how Bryant develops next season. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueShoe 126 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Isn't Longoria an elite talent who also has an entire off season to improve? I'm confused was to what this even means? You're expecting a quasi elite player (let's use the proper terms here, no one is taking Longoria top 15) to improve more than a college player freshly introduced to proball? Longoria is a great player but over rated. He was the #1 prospect back in the day and has had a fine career. The reality of the matter is though he has never actually been elite. He wasn't even a top 5 player at his position the last two years (sure 2012 injuries). 3 years ago he was the 5th best 3B. Longoria hasn't ever hit over .300 in a season on his career, OPSed over .900, hasn't had 100 RBI in the last 3 years, and hasn't had 100 runs in the last 4 years. Longoria just put out the worst K% in his career during his age 27 season. If you don't think Kris Bryant can top those numbers you're nuts. Yeah I understand this is baseball and anything can happen, but Bryant hasn't done anything but increase his value since being drafted. Anyone arguing this is just a Longoria fan boy taking the argument personal. But it isn't a knock on Longoria, it's just praise on Bryant. Kris Bryant's bat has perennial MVP contender written all over it. While Longoria is struggling to compete for Silver Slugger awards. Link to post Share on other sites
SportsFanEvan 41 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 For those of you interested in seeing Bryant play. The AFL all star game is at 8 EST tonight on MLB Network. Almora and Soler will also be playing. Should be fun! Link to post Share on other sites
FouLLine 2,849 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Longoria's rookie year: 122 games, .272/.343./.531 27 HR, 7 SB Any chance Bryant can top that his first year? Not likely. Longoria at age 21 had a K:BB of 110:73 in AA and AAA At the same age, Bryant's K:BB is 35:11 across rookie, low A and A ball Who cares about the K:BB ratio. Aoki and Scutaro were the top two guys in K:BB ratio. Are they anywhere close to being a top hitter? Hell no. Most of the guys who have really how K rates as hitters are guys who don't have power. If you swing hard you will strikeout period. I will be extremely surprised if Kris Bryant isn't a better hitter than Evan Longoria within 3 years. Oh yea lol? I bet a lot of people care about plate discipline and pitch recognition and MLB pitchers definitely care about it because they are going to see a hitter with holes galore to exploit. Bryant has a 29% K-rate in the AFL. At the MLB level, thats about 45% right now (thats Adam Dunn with contact issues lol). I'm not saying he can't make some adjustments, but he's nowhere near ready to match Longoria's rookie season right now. Kris Bryant may already be a better hitter than Longoria. How do you figure 29% in the AFL is 45% in the MLB. Keep in mind that a majority of Kris Bryant's Ks are not from being fooled but just simply because he swings hard often. Plus you have an elite talent that has an entire off season to improve. Hahaha, what? Re K-rate: I say that because pitchers in MLB are orders of magnitude better than pitchers in the AFL Re Bryant's K's: Wow so even his outs are just part of Bryant's grand plan. That's amazing. He's probably the first MLB player to do what he wants to do 100% of the time, Bravo! I'm glad he never gets fooled too although I wish I had access to all of his AFL at-bats via video and also his thoughts so that I could know this like you do. I think the point was, a 29% K rate in The AFL doesn't just automatically translate to a 45% K rate in the bigs. Honestly it probably doesn't even come close to 40%. Honestly how many guys even strikeout 39% of the time? Not many if any. Now let's even focus that more towards elite prospects in their rookie season. None that come to my mind. Even Chris Davis, Mark Reynolds, Pedro Alvarez, and Adam Dunn have never had a season in which they struck out 36% of the time or more. All of their K% are below 33% if not well below 33%. A rookie season hitting .272 with 27 HRs is great. But after what we've recently seen with the "prodigy" rookies tearing through the minors and having early dominance in the bigs, I think you'd be a sucker to not think Bryant could at the least match Longoria's rookie season. Bryant has already demonstrated a better ability to hit for average as well as power when comparing them both at this stage of their career.... And in the power department Bryant is well up on where Longoria was at the same point in his career. Just compare college numbers for starters (remember Longoria didn't have a BBCOR bat either). Link to post Share on other sites
rasto21585 256 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It has been quiet here. Any idea when we can expect him to get the call? Also among the eligible prospects, where do you guys personally rank him? Link to post Share on other sites
Posting In The Clutch 1,920 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It has been quiet here. Any idea when we can expect him to get the call? Also among the eligible prospects, where do you guys personally rank him? September at the earliest, and even that is unlikely. He hasn't even played a full season yet. Link to post Share on other sites
IlliniGuy76 1,124 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I have heard/read multiple scouts compare Bryant to one player: Troy Glaus. I think the Cubs would be ecstatic with someone Glaus-like. A .260-.270 hitter with 30+ power and 100+ RBI potential. Link to post Share on other sites
mcbane 1,763 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Isn't Longoria an elite talent who also has an entire off season to improve? I'm confused was to what this even means? You're expecting a quasi elite player (let's use the proper terms here, no one is taking Longoria top 15) to improve more than a college player freshly introduced to proball? Longoria is a great player but over rated. He was the #1 prospect back in the day and has had a fine career. The reality of the matter is though he has never actually been elite. He wasn't even a top 5 player at his position the last two years (sure 2012 injuries). 3 years ago he was the 5th best 3B. Longoria hasn't ever hit over .300 in a season on his career, OPSed over .900, hasn't had 100 RBI in the last 3 years, and hasn't had 100 runs in the last 4 years. Longoria just put out the worst K% in his career during his age 27 season. If you don't think Kris Bryant can top those numbers you're nuts. Yeah I understand this is baseball and anything can happen, but Bryant hasn't done anything but increase his value since being drafted. Anyone arguing this is just a Longoria fan boy taking the argument personal. But it isn't a knock on Longoria, it's just praise on Bryant. Kris Bryant's bat has perennial MVP contender written all over it. While Longoria is struggling to compete for Silver Slugger awards. Just sort of perusing this thread to see what people thought of Bryant (I have longoria, but don't particularly take it as an affront if someone doesn't like him) but oh my. Let's just say this: it's never a good bet that a rookie will replicate a season like Longoria's rookie year. For all of the "Puig and these rookies nowadays do it as the norm", let's be honest. It was like 4 or 5 of them since Longo and Braun came up. To replicate the seasons Longoria has put up I think is more than possible , as the .275-30-90 lines aren't top 10, but with the scouting reports I've read about non-elite bat speed and some patience issues, we're getting way out ahead of ourselves here. He also may not stick at 3rd. Let's give longoria some credit, and some credit to how hard it is to hit like that in MLB. Sheesh. Link to post Share on other sites
Posting In The Clutch 1,920 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Including the AFL in 238 PAs, his K rate last year was 24.4% in pro ball. That's a bit concerning. Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew 259 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 If I had to, I'd bet on September. Pro experience is justification enough for the FO to keep him down a while; figures they want to see him in the majors before the 2015 off-season though. Link to post Share on other sites
Blood Brother 1,863 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 First AB today and he smacks a 2 run blast to CF Link to post Share on other sites
rasto21585 256 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 First AB today and he smacks a 2 run blast to CF Hopefully strings together a lot of games like this. Maybe he will get called up before years end. Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bluth 916 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Clip of hr. Listen to that one! Link to post Share on other sites
taobball 7,483 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Listening to Hughes live and got a huge grin on my face when that happened. Link to post Share on other sites
Flyman75 4,870 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I have heard/read multiple scouts compare Bryant to one player: Troy Glaus. I think the Cubs would be ecstatic with someone Glaus-like. A .260-.270 hitter with 30+ power and 100+ RBI potential. Years ago I was in an AL Only Ultra league (23 active, 17 bench). Because of the size of the bench, it was common for us to have a bunch of minor leaguers on our rosters. I remember in the spring of 1998, I drafted Glaus in one of the final couple of rounds ($2 rd) before he had even played pro ball. He rode the bench for me in '98, I froze him in '99, and he became my 3B stalwart that year. Had him at $2 that year, and extended him two years at $5 each after that, so I had him from 2000-02 at $12 each season. It was nice . If Bryant is a Glaus clone, then I hope to get a shot at him when he does come up. Link to post Share on other sites
rasto21585 256 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I have heard/read multiple scouts compare Bryant to one player: Troy Glaus. I think the Cubs would be ecstatic with someone Glaus-like. A .260-.270 hitter with 30+ power and 100+ RBI potential. Years ago I was in an AL Only Ultra league (23 active, 17 bench). Because of the size of the bench, it was common for us to have a bunch of minor leaguers on our rosters. I remember in the spring of 1998, I drafted Glaus in one of the final couple of rounds ($2 rd) before he had even played pro ball. He rode the bench for me in '98, I froze him in '99, and he became my 3B stalwart that year. Had him at $2 that year, and extended him two years at $5 each after that, so I had him from 2000-02 at $12 each season. It was nice . If Bryant is a Glaus clone, then I hope to get a shot at him when he does come up. I'm hoping he has a better .avg than glaus. Link to post Share on other sites
DropkickAlex 250 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Who cares about K:BB? Seriously? Link to post Share on other sites
taobball 7,483 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 A lot of people. Link to post Share on other sites
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