Red Sox Nation 3,178 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Let's get this thread back on track. IMO he's simply having a bad month. He's been a little too hittable for my liking most of the year, but he's also generated a ton of swing and misses and strikeouts. After a home game to the Cards he's at Colorado and at Detroit, so his borderline ace status will be tested. I like his chances of being a top 15 (and probably more) pitcher in the 2nd half. Just a rough patch. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJoint 4,181 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Let's get this thread back on track. IMO he's simply having a bad month. He's been a little too hittable for my liking most of the year, but he's also generated a ton of swing and misses and strikeouts. After a home game to the Cards he's at Colorado and at Detroit, so his borderline ace status will be tested. I like his chances of being a top 15 (and probably more) pitcher in the 2nd half. Just a rough patch. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites
Crestor20 11 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 · Hidden by phatrat, June 29, 2014 - No Reason Hidden by phatrat, June 29, 2014 - No Reason This dude is really starting to piss me off Yeah he's having an awful season. Sometimes ya gotta know when to sell high... Wish I sold high on Greinke Link to post
Crestor20 11 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 · Hidden by phatrat, June 29, 2014 - No Reason Hidden by phatrat, June 29, 2014 - No Reason This dude is really starting to piss me off Yeah he's having an awful season. Sometimes ya gotta know when to sell high... Wish I sold high . Link to post
Crestor20 11 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 · Hidden by phizzics, June 30, 2014 - No reason given Hidden by phizzics, June 30, 2014 - No reason given This dude is really starting to piss me off Yeah he's having an awful season. Sometimes ya gotta know when to sell high... Wish I sold high . Link to post
Hasselhoff 380 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This dude is really starting to piss me off Yeah he's having an awful season. Sometimes ya gotta know when to sell high... You post this after he goes 7 IP, 1 ER, 10 K vs Cards? He had his bad streak of 4 starts, he looked like the greinke from his first 12 starts again tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
Crestor20 11 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This dude is really starting to piss me off Yeah he's having an awful season. Sometimes ya gotta know when to sell high... You post this after he goes 7 IP, 1 ER, 10 K vs Cards? He had his bad streak of 4 starts, he looked like the greinke from his first 12 starts again tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
Von Hayes 240 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. Link to post Share on other sites
Mithrandir 485 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. I didn't start him last time in Coors and will not start him tonight. I never start anyone in Coors. I think it's silly to start anyone there. I am talking about a Roto standard 5x5 league. Link to post Share on other sites
Crusaderfan 297 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'm strongly leaning towards keeping him on the bench. For me, in a 5x5 it seems there is more to be lost here than gained. Link to post Share on other sites
amcsoldier 759 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. He's the #12 pitcher in my points league and the #12 SP on ESPN's player rater. He should be started everywhere against anyone every time. Anything else is micro-managing and just as likely (if not more likely) to backfire as pay out. Link to post Share on other sites
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Mithrandir 485 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. He's the #12 pitcher in my points league and the #12 SP on ESPN's player rater. He should be started everywhere against anyone every time. Anything else is micro-managing and just as likely (if not more likely) to backfire as pay out. Wrong. This is not micro-managing. It's all about Coors and Coors only..It's called smart managing. Link to post Share on other sites
fistfullwales 114 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 ERA just under 5 in three starts at Coors the last three years with 1 win. It's a borderline play, even for a pitcher like Greinke. But then again, I'm starting Kershaw tomorrow who has a similar ERA at Coors the last three years with 2 wins in 6 starts. Link to post Share on other sites
screaming_vultures 1,669 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. He's the #12 pitcher in my points league and the #12 SP on ESPN's player rater. He should be started everywhere against anyone every time. Anything else is micro-managing and just as likely (if not more likely) to backfire as pay out. I assume you have yet to see the career splits grienke has @COL. 4.38 ERA 1.78WHIP in 5 starts with just 1 win. I don't think I will risk it Link to post Share on other sites
Mithrandir 485 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 ERA just under 5 in three starts at Coors the last three years with 1 win. It's a borderline play, even for a pitcher like Greinke. But then again, I'm starting Kershaw tomorrow who has a similar ERA at Coors the last three years with 2 wins in 6 starts. Grienke is not Kershaw. Link to post Share on other sites
fistfullwales 114 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 ERA just under 5 in three starts at Coors the last three years with 1 win. It's a borderline play, even for a pitcher like Greinke. But then again, I'm starting Kershaw tomorrow who has a similar ERA at Coors the last three years with 2 wins in 6 starts. Grienke is not Kershaw. Don't disagree, however, based on their Coors' stats they are nearly the same there. Link to post Share on other sites
Mithrandir 485 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 ERA just under 5 in three starts at Coors the last three years with 1 win. It's a borderline play, even for a pitcher like Greinke. But then again, I'm starting Kershaw tomorrow who has a similar ERA at Coors the last three years with 2 wins in 6 starts. Grienke is not Kershaw. Don't disagree, however, based on their Coors' stats they are nearly the same there. I have never owned Kershaw, but wouldn't start him at Coors either. Link to post Share on other sites
amcsoldier 759 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have never owned Kershaw, but wouldn't start him at Coors either. Now that's micro-managing. You must either play in a very shallow league or have an unfairly-stacked rotation to look at your options and conclude that your SP5 or SP6 starting anywhere is a better option than the best pitcher in baseball (or Greinke for that matter) toeing the rubber. And I don't put too much stock in historical stats. The team your guy pitched against four years ago is likely very different from the team he faces today, your guy has likely evolved (or devolved) as well, and in most cases the sample size is small. Link to post Share on other sites
BlueJaysIn2030 1,978 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have never owned Kershaw, but wouldn't start him at Coors either. Good thing you don't. That'd be a waste. Link to post Share on other sites
screaming_vultures 1,669 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 One side of this argument will eat a lot of crow Link to post Share on other sites
amcsoldier 759 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 One side of this argument will eat a lot of crow But in all seriousness... it depends. Daily rosters and a roto format where you're barely leading in ratios? That's more defensible. Weekly roster lock and/or points league? We'd have to know which SP5-7 scrub (Morton? Hutchinson? Eovaldi?) was started over a top-10 arm. Link to post Share on other sites
Grace17 190 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just gotta throw him out there tonight, right? The 10.5 O/U is quite high but much of that can be contributed to Franklin Morales being the opposing pitcher. Starting anyone in Coors makes me nervous but I feel like he's among the small group of guys that you still need to start there. Nervous, but I'm rolling with him. Link to post Share on other sites
screaming_vultures 1,669 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 My Over/under line : 6.1IP, 3ER, 8(Walks+Hits) = 4.26 ERA/1.26 WHIP Link to post Share on other sites
Von Hayes 240 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 · Hidden by phatrat, July 4, 2014 - No Reason Hidden by phatrat, July 4, 2014 - No Reason Despite what I said this morning, I might bench him anyway. I'm in a 10-teamer with a 200 start limit on the season though, so there's really no need to risk it. I just hate benching studs. It'll be a last minute decision. Link to post
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