Br0kenB 1,943 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 2nd option in the vertical passing game next to Sammy. Always had potential but could never really get healthy. Looks good and cheap for daily leagues tomorrow and Tyrod looks to be a bit more efficient in throwing it to him this year. Finally looks close to 100%. In a deep TE pool, is he a TE2/low-end TE1? I believe so. Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Frank Drebin 211 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 He's one of the options I'm heavily considering tomorrow as a Gronk replacement. What are any other thoughts on him for tomorrow specifically and also ROS? Link to post Share on other sites
irvGotti 41 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Clay is a talent and he's entering his prime years. T. Taylor looks for him. I've watched couple of last Bills game last season and he's the second option on the team. I'm starting him over Barnidge this week. I like the match up this week. Surprised no thread on this guy. Can end up being a steal Link to post Share on other sites
joshua18 7,039 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 He was a TE1 last year until Taylor got hurt. Taylor's weakness is targeting the middle of the field (Clay's specialty), which he has worked on this offseason. Only thing limiting him is injury. Link to post Share on other sites
StevieStats 3,887 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 32 minutes ago, joshua18 said: He was a TE1 last year until Taylor got hurt. Taylor's weakness is targeting the middle of the field (Clay's specialty), which he has worked on this offseason. Only thing limiting him is injury. I watch every Bills game, middle is not a weakness of Tyrod. I pulled the splits to check and 74% comp with 109 rating on passes to middle of field. Not a weakness. Link to post Share on other sites
Jaden374 180 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 1 hour ago, irvGotti said: Clay is a talent and he's entering his prime years. T. Taylor looks for him. I've watched couple of last Bills game last season and he's the second option on the team. I'm starting him over Barnidge this week. I like the match up this week. Surprised no thread on this guy. Can end up being a steal the only person ahead of barnidge on the catching totem pole is coleman - a guy who has yet to play a single NFL snap. you sure you want to put clay in instead of barnidge? Once gordon comes back, id understand. But until then it's pretty much business as usual. EDIT - additionally, RG3 loved to target his TEs always when he was in washington. And they had lots of catching options Link to post Share on other sites
irvGotti 41 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I like Clay and Taylor's connection better. And RG3 really didn't use his TE's as much as you think imo Link to post Share on other sites
JetsAwesome 638 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Clay was wildly inconsistent last year and killed you most weeks. Tyrod just didn't consistently use him that much. His use was sporadic once Watkins started whining about not getting enough targets!! Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,325 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Sammy Watkins had a four game stretch last season in which he didn't play in three of the games and played less than one half of the other. In those four games, Clay enjoyed being "the guy" and capitalized to the tune of 22 catches for 216 yards; a 16-game pace of 88 catches and 864 yards. Only Delanie Walker (94) had more than 88 catches last season amongst tight ends; only six tight ends had more than 864 yards. So there's no doubt that in games in which Clay is the top target he can produce. But in his other nine games last season (Clay played in only 13 games), Clay had just 29 catches and 312 yards, an absolutely pitiful output of under 35 yards per game. Five times last season Clay put up 19 yards or fewer and he scored just 3 TDs. I've always been a believer in his talent but, outside of a very good 2013 season (69/759/6) he's never really done much to reward my faith. Not even streamer worthy until and unless Watkins is scheduled to miss a game... Link to post Share on other sites
JetsAwesome 638 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 As long as Sammy is healthy - I don't think Tyrod as good as he is , is an established enough pocket passer to support two successful pass catchers. There were times when Clay was open and Tyrod forced it to Sammy regardless of coverage just to placate him.. i get feeding your WR1 but use Clay to take some of the pressure off. Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,325 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 57 minutes ago, JetsAwesome said: As long as Sammy is healthy - I don't think Tyrod as good as he is , is an established enough pocket passer to support two successful pass catchers. There were times when Clay was open and Tyrod forced it to Sammy regardless of coverage just to placate him.. i get feeding your WR1 but use Clay to take some of the pressure off. Buffalo only threw 29 times per game last year, second to last in the league (Minnesota). This seriously caps the passing game's upside and supports your well-made point. Buffalo was pretty efficient with those pass attempts though (7.7 YPA, 6th in the league). Link to post Share on other sites
burninglegs 10,836 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 9 hours ago, KennyWoo said: Buffalo only threw 29 times per game last year, second to last in the league (Minnesota). This seriously caps the passing game's upside and supports your well-made point. Buffalo was pretty efficient with those pass attempts though (7.7 YPA, 6th in the league). One could argue that with the loss of players on the defensive side, that the Bills might be playing from behind quite a bit. Clay isn't a bad option at TE for those that waited late. Link to post Share on other sites
c_dilip 113 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 No Sammy means he could get atleast 5 targets ? Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,325 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 On 9/10/2016 at 8:29 PM, KennyWoo said: Sammy Watkins had a four game stretch last season in which he didn't play in three of the games and played less than one half of the other. In those four games, Clay enjoyed being "the guy" and capitalized to the tune of 22 catches for 216 yards; a 16-game pace of 88 catches and 864 yards. Only Delanie Walker (94) had more than 88 catches last season amongst tight ends; only six tight ends had more than 864 yards. So there's no doubt that in games in which Clay is the top target he can produce. But in his other nine games last season (Clay played in only 13 games), Clay had just 29 catches and 312 yards, an absolutely pitiful output of under 35 yards per game. Five times last season Clay put up 19 yards or fewer and he scored just 3 TDs. I've always been a believer in his talent but, outside of a very good 2013 season (69/759/6) he's never really done much to reward my faith. Not even streamer worthy until and unless Watkins is scheduled to miss a game... Nota bene. Watkins to IR makes Clay a viable TE candidate for those in need. Link to post Share on other sites
Dlong13 24 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 42 minutes ago, KennyWoo said: Nota bene. Watkins to IR makes Clay a viable TE candidate for those in need. I certainly hope so, but the goose egg last week, on only two targets, gives me pause. With that being said, assuming his knee stays relatively healthy, he has to be seeing some more targets come his way, and that's all you can really ask for. The viable weapons in Buffalo are pretty limited at the moment to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast 4,135 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 my favorite sleeper TE of the last 3 years ... hopefully they figure out a way to use him correctly. i think he could be jordan reed - lite. dump off to mccoy, bomb to goodwin, clay over the middle ... could be a thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Spina 730 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Desperation-mode for those of us with Julius out and very limited options -- firing up Clay. Hoping the Bills feature him with no real options for Tyrod. Link to post Share on other sites
GottaGetTheWin 2,343 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Have to figure he should be more involved with Watkins out especially around the goal line. Link to post Share on other sites
yahyahtrick 532 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Anyone streaming him this week? He's done well since Watkins got injured and he may actually have ROS / until Sammy gets back value. Link to post Share on other sites
timexsocialclub 1,400 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, yahyahtrick said: Anyone streaming him this week? 2 leagues in fact. Gotta replace Reed and Rudolph on bye. He'll get targets and yards and fingers crossed for a TD. Link to post Share on other sites
canonuevo 40 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Thinking of picking him up.. was really hoping for eifert to play this week now im gonna have to drop him. Link to post Share on other sites
cothane 201 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I think he's a very good streaming option this week. Target share has gone way up without Sammy and he's getting healthy. Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,325 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 On 10/1/2016 at 1:39 PM, KennyWoo said: Nota bene. Watkins to IR makes Clay a viable TE candidate for those in need. Numbers since this notice went out: In 3 games, 15 catches for 172 yards. 16-game pace during that time: 80 catches for 917 yards. If this guy starts mixing in some TDs he's a plug-and-play starter for those who don't have a top 7 TE in PPR in my opinion so long as Watkins is out. Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,325 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Is the Clay train pulling into End Zone Station this weekend? Clay has had a redzone target in each of his last four starts and now Buffalo rolls into Miami. Miami vs. tight ends thus far: Week 1: Seattle combo 3/37 - note Graham (1/11) was not ramped up yet. Week 2: Bennett 5/114/1 Week 3: Barnidge 5/66 Week 4: C.JAG Uzomah 4/45 Week 5: Walker 5/66/1 Week 6: Pittsburgh combo 3/24 - Big Ben injury certainly didn't help So that's two TDs allowed and there's certainly evidence that a quality TE can do the business against Miami. Here's another stat for you: Every TE who has gotten at least five targets against Miami has done no worse than 8.5 PPR points. Clay has had five targets or more in three straight. So let's plug in 8.5 as Clay's PPR floor for this week and hope for 60-70 yards and a TD. Another stat: Clay faced Miami twice last season: Week 3 and Week 9. Week 9 was a Watkins blasting of Miami so let's ignore that one (as I've posted here, Clay's value is dependent on Watkins being out). In Week 3 (in which Watkins was hampered), Clay went 5 for 82 and a TD! Link to post Share on other sites
pastorofmuppets2 10,713 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 ^ doesn't hurt that Miami is his ol' stomping grounds ... bit of the ol' 'GOTCHA' revenge factor vs the ex team in play, especially down there .. aside, just saw Shady sat out practice today with a tight hammy ... dunno, this could be a week Charles of Clay is really leaned on - Link to post Share on other sites
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