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On 8/23/2017 at 2:06 PM, dabeesta17 said:

 

And why was Gurley so much worse with the exact same offensive scheme and the same offensive line in 2016?

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, dabeesta17 said:

 

The only factual point that matters here is that Boras (the new OC in December 2015) 

 

You didn't even realize there were two OC's in 2015 when you made the first statement.

 

I showed there was a huge variation between the two schemes in Gurley's performance.

 

I mean, you didn't even know what the facts were in the 8/23 post.  The reason I replied is so you wouldn't mislead other readers about the situation.

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Thats pretty much what I figured. That they had some vendetta or score to settle. I'm all for players having critics and naysayers because that's what creates discussion around here. But if you're gon

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6 minutes ago, Iron-cock said:

You didn't even realize there were two OC's in 2015 when you made the first statement.

 

I showed there was a huge variation between the two schemes in Gurley's performance.

 

I mean, you didn't even know what the facts were in the 8/23 post.  The reason I replied is so you wouldn't mislead other readers about the situation.

 

Right. Your folie de grandeur delusions are fun to read at this point. I'm very curious to see Gurley's performance Week 1. You just shouldn't be commenting on RBs, and petulantly insulting others out of the blue when threads have been dormant for weeks, with your trademark name-calling (see links below). You know nothing about RBs. That is clear. You were DJ hater #1 in the 2016 preseason. You get mad when this is pointed out and resort to name-calling. But whatever. I have no stakes in Gurley. Good luck dude.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, JSA2422 said:

Is anyone even blaming his performance solely based on the OC change? Sounded like it was just mentioned in the slew of reasons why Gurley had the season he did (including his own personal struggles) .. 

No one has, they've at most mentioned it as one of the many reasons why Gurley's season was a failure. I've read this whole thread and repeatedly seen dabeesta try to set up a straw man of any Gurley defender blaming a sole factor in the overall equation. The reality (and most reasonable Gurley defenders are on board with this) is his failure was a result of a multitude of factors that failed, including but not limited to Gurley's own performance and effort.

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i don't care if you're a generational talent running back - if you have a shoddy offensive line, a pathetic quarterback like Goff at the helm, and compete in a shark-tank division that boast two of the best defensive teams in the league (Seahawks and Cardinals), you're going to suck. Volume is the only plus in this equation.

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12 minutes ago, atrium said:

No one has, they've at most mentioned it as one of the many reasons why Gurley's season was a failure. I've read this whole thread and repeatedly seen dabeesta try to set up a straw man of any Gurley defender blaming a sole factor in the overall equation. The reality (and most reasonable Gurley defenders are on board with this) is his failure was a result of a multitude of factors that failed, including but not limited to Gurley's own performance and effort.

 

Well I disagree. People that resort to name-calling, particularly out of the blue, which is easy to establish by going back and reading this thread, are the ones being F-boys. I 100% agree many factors contributed to Gurley's 2016 season. I simply believe the fault lies more on Gurley than the O-line, Jeff Fisher, the QB, and all the other excuses that are highlighted in lieu of Gurley himself. Its all of those factors. But its 65% Gurley's fault, 20% the O-line, 7.5% Fisher, and 7.5% the offensive coordinator. If you disagree, fine.

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6 minutes ago, jdegs7 said:

i don't care if you're a generational talent running back - if you have a shoddy offensive line, a pathetic quarterback like Goff at the helm, and compete in a shark-tank division that boast two of the best defensive teams in the league (Seahawks and Cardinals), you're going to suck. Volume is the only plus in this equation.

 

The Cardinals lost Calais Campbell, Kevin Minter, Daryl Washington, DJ Swearinger, and Tony Jefferson. Them having one of the best defenses in the league is far from a given.

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5 minutes ago, Geaux Saints said:

 

The Cardinals lost Calais Campbell, Kevin Minter, Daryl Washington, DJ Swearinger, and Tony Jefferson. Them having one of the best defenses in the league is far from a given.

 

Its definitely a rebuilding-type year on defense for the Cardinals. Either the offense puts up 30+ ppg, or they are a 7-9 mediocre team. But that's a conversation for another thread.

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9 minutes ago, Geaux Saints said:

 

The Cardinals lost Calais Campbell, Kevin Minter, Daryl Washington, DJ Swearinger, and Tony Jefferson. Them having one of the best defenses in the league is far from a given.

 

9 minutes ago, Geaux Saints said:

 

The Cardinals lost Calais Campbell, Kevin Minter, Daryl Washington, DJ Swearinger, and Tony Jefferson. Them having one of the best defenses in the league is far from a given.

 

I respectfully disagree. They kept the main-stays of their defense (Jones, Peterson, Matheiu, Bucannon, Golson), dispensed with some of the old guard, and also made a concerted effort at the top-end of the draft to pick up two promising players in Reddick and Baker. They also signed Dansby and Bethea, which are serviceable replacements. You raise a good point for sure, but  I still think they're a scary defense that'll keep Gurley's hands more than full.

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51 minutes ago, jdegs7 said:

i don't care if you're a generational talent running back - if you have a shoddy offensive line, a pathetic quarterback like Goff at the helm, and compete in a shark-tank division that boast two of the best defensive teams in the league (Seahawks and Cardinals), you're going to suck. Volume is the only plus in this equation.

Basically the question is can you be a productive RB on a bad team?  Certainly doesn't help matters, and we've seen it happen before, but agree, it makes it tough.  I fear that I'm going to get "stuck" with Gurley as he'll be the next best available.  If I do draft him, it will be with my nose plugged.  One of the reasons why I'm also staying away from Leonard Fournette.

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2 minutes ago, CooL said:

Basically the question is can you be a productive RB on a bad team?

You sure can. Look no further than Gurley's rookie season. The only question is which Gurley we're going to get this year? I'd bet against his 2017 looking like his 2016.

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12 minutes ago, screaming_vultures said:

The other question i have is Gurley's usage in the passing game. They did bring in Lance Dunbar who is a passing game specialist. 

 

I searched the thread for any mentions of Dunbar and couldnt find any, so i am assuming that this hasnt been discussed here yet.

Dunbar is on the PUP to start the season 

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4 hours ago, dabeesta17 said:

 

Its definitely a rebuilding-type year on defense for the Cardinals. Either the offense puts up 30+ ppg, or they are a 7-9 mediocre team. But that's a conversation for another thread.

Which is why DJ is going to shred this league to pieces. 

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34 minutes ago, shakennbakee said:

Dunbar is on the PUP to start the season 


I've metioned Dunbar a few times... Him being a cheaper Benny Cunningham, which is why we signed him. Coaches talking up Gurley and his pass catching ability.

Nothing to see on the Dunbar front. He's hurt. He'll have the same role as Benny, which means... Gurley will have his normal Rushing Volume + Added Pass Catching scenarios .

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I'm really surprised Gurley is ranked so high this year, honestly it's completely rediculous.

 

Why anyone would draft a RB who averaged 3.3 Yds a carry and only has one 100 yd rushing game in his last 24 games in the 2nd round is crazy to me.

 

People will call me crazy but I'll bet that the backup Brown is better than Gurley and I'll bet all the players on the team know it.

 

This will be his last year at being handed the starting job.

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2 minutes ago, raidaz18 said:

I'm really surprised Gurley is ranked so high this year, honestly it's completely rediculous.

 

Why anyone would draft a RB who averaged 3.3 Yds a carry and only has one 100 yd rushing game in his last 24 games in the 2nd round is crazy to me.

 

People will call me crazy but I'll bet that the backup Brown is better than Gurley and I'll bet all the players on the team know it.

 

This will be his last year at being handed the starting job.

I'll take that bet. 

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4 minutes ago, raidaz18 said:

I'm really surprised Gurley is ranked so high this year, honestly it's completely rediculous.

 

Why anyone would draft a RB who averaged 3.3 Yds a carry and only has one 100 yd rushing game in his last 24 games in the 2nd round is crazy to me.

 

People will call me crazy but I'll bet that the backup Brown is better than Gurley and I'll bet all the players on the team know it.

 

This will be his last year at being handed the starting job.


How much you want to bet sir?? $200? $300? $500?

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Just now, JoeJoe88 said:

I'll take that bet. 

If you gave Brown equal carries he would easily out rush Gurley.

 

Only reason Gurley is the starter is because of where he was drafted.

 

The guy has no vision at all, it's already showed up in his preseason tape.

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4 minutes ago, raidaz18 said:

If you gave Brown equal carries he would easily out rush Gurley.

 

Only reason Gurley is the starter is because of where he was drafted.

 

The guy has no vision at all, it's already showed up in his preseason tape.

put some money up.....

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24 minutes ago, raidaz18 said:

I'm really surprised Gurley is ranked so high this year, honestly it's completely rediculous.

 

Why anyone would draft a RB who averaged 3.3 Yds a carry and only has one 100 yd rushing game in his last 24 games in the 2nd round is crazy to me.

 

People will call me crazy but I'll bet that the backup Brown is better than Gurley and I'll bet all the players on the team know it.

 

This will be his last year at being handed the starting job.

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http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/rams-todd-gurley-2017-training-camp-goals-marshall-faulk-fantasy/r88ieopfh7gh1058d1q495fsp

 

Article is a few weeks old. But a decent read. Quick hits. His goal is 1,000 yards rushing AND receiving this year. Last year's offensive philosophy was the equivalent to a middle school team. He believed many players quit on the team/coach by week 13. He says it could not get any worse. 

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Well, Gurley was definitely not on my preferred list for an RB2 (I got McCoy for my first pick), but all I had left were Lamar Miller who is currently suffering under a lackluster Texan offense, Leonard Fournette who got drafted by the pathetic Jax and does have injury issues, Isaiah Crowell whom I think is overrated b/c of how the Browns can't keep a QB.


Even though there are legit concerns of how Gurley might be a one-hit wonder, you have to admit that this RB fantasy draft was extremely top heavy, and people were just going to nab all of the top RBs and grab a couple of handcuffs in the later rounds.

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