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Funniest thing I have ever seen.  Look at USA Today's rankings for wide receiver this week

 

   WIDE RECEIVERS        
1    Antonio Brown    Pit.    vs. Bal.
2    Keenan Allen    L.A.-C    vs. Was.
3    Julio Jones    Atl.    vs. N.O.
4    Jarvis Landry    Mia.    vs. N.E.
5    DeAndre Hopkins    Hou.    vs. S.F.
6    Adam Thielen    Min.    at Car.
7    Brandin Cooks    N.E.    at Mia.
8    Mike Evans    T.B.    vs. Det.
9    A.J. Green    Cin.    vs. Chi.
10    Golden Tate    Det.    at T.B.
11    Larry Fitzgerald    Ari.    vs. Ten.
12    Michael Crabtree    Oak.    at K.C.
13    Michael Thomas    N.O.    at Atl.
14    Tyreek Hill    K.C.    vs. Oak.
15    Devin Funchess    Car.    vs. Min.
16    Dez Bryant    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
17    Sterling Shepard    N.Y.-G    vs. Dal.
18    Marvin Jones    Det.    at T.B.
19    Alshon Jeffery    Phi.    at L.A.-R
20    Demaryius Thomas    Den.    N.Y.-J
21    Doug Baldwin    Sea.    at Jac.
22    Stefon Diggs    Min.    at Car.
23    *Amari Cooper    Oak.    at K.C.
24    Marquise Goodwin    S.F.    at Hou.
25    Davante Adams    G.B.    at Cle.
26    *JuJu Smith-Schuster    Pit.    vs. Bal.
27    Marqise Lee    Jac.    vs. Sea.
28    Kenny Stills    Mia.    vs. N.E.
29    Robby Anderson    N.Y.-J    at Den.
30    T.Y. Hilton    Ind.    at Buf.
31    DeSean Jackson    T.B.    vs. Det.
32    *Robert Woods    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
33    *Rishard Matthews    Ten.    at Ari.
34    *Will Fuller    Hou.    vs. S.F.
35    Danny Amendola    N.E.    at Mia.
36    Emmanuel Sanders    Den.    vs. N.Y.-J
37    *Kelvin Benjamin    Buf.    vs. Ind.
38    Jeremy Maclin    Bal.    at Pit.
39    Mike Wallace    Bal.    at Pit.
40    Ted Ginn Jr.    N.O.    at Atl.
41    Jamison Crowder    Was.    at L.A.-C
42    Josh Doctson    Was.    at L.A.-C
43    Cole Beasley    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
44    Sammy Watkins    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
45    Tyrell Williams    L.A.-C    vs. Was.
46    Terrance Williams    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
47    Nelson Agholor    Phi.    at L.A.-R
48    Brandon LaFell    Cin.    vs. Chi.
49    Cooper Kupp    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
50    Mohamed Sanu    Atl.    vs. N.O.
51    DeVante Parker    Mia.    vs. N.E.
52    Albert Wilson    K.C.    vs. Oak.
53    Josh Gordon    Cle.    vs. G.B.
54    Paul Richardson    Sea.    at Jac.
55    Jermaine Kearse    N.Y.-J    at Den.

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/fantasy/2017/12/05/fantasy-football-rankings-week-14/924154001/

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3 minutes ago, dlionsfan901 said:

Funniest thing I have ever seen.  Look at USA Today's rankings for wide receiver this week

 

   WIDE RECEIVERS        
1    Antonio Brown    Pit.    vs. Bal.
2    Keenan Allen    L.A.-C    vs. Was.
3    Julio Jones    Atl.    vs. N.O.
4    Jarvis Landry    Mia.    vs. N.E.
5    DeAndre Hopkins    Hou.    vs. S.F.
6    Adam Thielen    Min.    at Car.
7    Brandin Cooks    N.E.    at Mia.
8    Mike Evans    T.B.    vs. Det.
9    A.J. Green    Cin.    vs. Chi.
10    Golden Tate    Det.    at T.B.
11    Larry Fitzgerald    Ari.    vs. Ten.
12    Michael Crabtree    Oak.    at K.C.
13    Michael Thomas    N.O.    at Atl.
14    Tyreek Hill    K.C.    vs. Oak.
15    Devin Funchess    Car.    vs. Min.
16    Dez Bryant    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
17    Sterling Shepard    N.Y.-G    vs. Dal.
18    Marvin Jones    Det.    at T.B.
19    Alshon Jeffery    Phi.    at L.A.-R
20    Demaryius Thomas    Den.    N.Y.-J
21    Doug Baldwin    Sea.    at Jac.
22    Stefon Diggs    Min.    at Car.
23    *Amari Cooper    Oak.    at K.C.
24    Marquise Goodwin    S.F.    at Hou.
25    Davante Adams    G.B.    at Cle.
26    *JuJu Smith-Schuster    Pit.    vs. Bal.
27    Marqise Lee    Jac.    vs. Sea.
28    Kenny Stills    Mia.    vs. N.E.
29    Robby Anderson    N.Y.-J    at Den.
30    T.Y. Hilton    Ind.    at Buf.
31    DeSean Jackson    T.B.    vs. Det.
32    *Robert Woods    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
33    *Rishard Matthews    Ten.    at Ari.
34    *Will Fuller    Hou.    vs. S.F.
35    Danny Amendola    N.E.    at Mia.
36    Emmanuel Sanders    Den.    vs. N.Y.-J
37    *Kelvin Benjamin    Buf.    vs. Ind.
38    Jeremy Maclin    Bal.    at Pit.
39    Mike Wallace    Bal.    at Pit.
40    Ted Ginn Jr.    N.O.    at Atl.
41    Jamison Crowder    Was.    at L.A.-C
42    Josh Doctson    Was.    at L.A.-C
43    Cole Beasley    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
44    Sammy Watkins    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
45    Tyrell Williams    L.A.-C    vs. Was.
46    Terrance Williams    Dal.    at N.Y.-G
47    Nelson Agholor    Phi.    at L.A.-R
48    Brandon LaFell    Cin.    vs. Chi.
49    Cooper Kupp    L.A.-R    vs. Phi.
50    Mohamed Sanu    Atl.    vs. N.O.
51    DeVante Parker    Mia.    vs. N.E.
52    Albert Wilson    K.C.    vs. Oak.
53    Josh Gordon    Cle.    vs. G.B.
54    Paul Richardson    Sea.    at Jac.
55    Jermaine Kearse    N.Y.-J    at Den.

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/fantasy/2017/12/05/fantasy-football-rankings-week-14/924154001/

That is pretty funny.  There’s no way Parker should be ranked higher.  I would flip flop them.

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1 minute ago, reichl555 said:

That is pretty funny.  There’s no way Parker should be ranked higher.  I would flip flop them.

 

I'm happy that people are underestimating him. In my Yahoo league he is projected for like 9 points. God bless my opponent if he is expecting the damage to be that minimal. 

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7 minutes ago, dlionsfan901 said:

If Josh Gordon can put up around 8/152/2 that would be great yeah.  Come on guy's what's some realistic projections this week?

Realistic is probably something like 4/75/.5

 

Probably has a relatively safe floor with game-script and volume. 

 

Has a ceiling of something like 7/160/1.5

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4 minutes ago, Grayson2401 said:

Realistic is probably something like 4/75/.5. 

 

Probably has a relatively safe floor with game-script and volume. 

 

Has a ceiling of something like 7/160/1.5

I am with you most the way. Id say 4/55/.35 or 8/140/1.3

 

Edit: Id base those numbers on targets of 7-11.

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13 minutes ago, dlionsfan901 said:

If Josh Gordon can put up around 8/152/2 that would be great yeah.  Come on guy's what's some realistic projections this week?

 

 

7-120-1

 

Based on about 11-12 targets/weak GB secondary/RZ chances last week/deep passes/Browns commitment to feed Gordon

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9 minutes ago, Zekepeak86 said:

I am with you most the way. Id say 4/55/.35 or 8/140/1.3

 

Edit: Id base those numbers on targets of 7-11.

That was about what I was thinking. 8-10 targets seems fair. It will take both a good game from Gordon and Kizer for him to see his ceiling. That, or Kizer still sucks but he gives Gordon about 15 targets. Sadly, the latter is probably more likely. 

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1 hour ago, Zekepeak86 said:

I am with you most the way. Id say 4/55/.35 or 8/140/1.3

 

Edit: Id base those numbers on targets of 7-11.

 

This has to be a joke, he had 4 for over 80 on 11 targets against the #1 rated CB in football.

 

This week at home vs a lesser opponent? Over 100 yards and a TD seems like a virtual lock.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dlionsfan901 said:

If Josh Gordon can put up around 8/152/2 that would be great yeah.  Come on guy's what's some realistic projections this week?

 

If you want realistic projections, here's a sample of other #1 WR vs GB: AJ Green (10-111-1), Dez Bryant (5-52-1), Adam Thielen (9-96), Michael Thomas (7-82), Marvin Jones (7-107-2), Mike Wallace (4-56-1), Antonio Brown (10-169-2), Mike Evans (2-33).

 

It's not apples to apples (QBs, o-line, etc.), but I'd be pretty happy with any of these lines (save for Mike WTF Evans).

 

11 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

I see people putting his ceiling at 150yds. Lol. 

 

Gordons ceiling is no less than Julio. 300+ yard game with multiple TDs.

 

Gordons floor so far is 4 for 85.

 

Best game against GB was Antonio Brown (10-169-2). I'm all aboard the Josh Gordon train, but it's just not realistic to expect him to outperform AB with Kizer at QB. This is the "realistic" ceiling.

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10 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

This has to be a joke, he had 4 for over 80 on 11 targets against the #1 rated CB in football.

 

This week at home vs a lesser opponent? Over 100 yards and a TD seems like a virtual lock.

 

 

Virtual lock? What about AB v a terrible Ind defense when get only got 47 yards? Nothing is a lock. All players have bad games. I dont think my floor or ceiling is far from the truth. I think he ends up somewhere in between this week.

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5 minutes ago, seanismorris said:

Gordon isn’t catching 10 balls from Kizer.

 

4-85 (floor)

6-100 (probably)

8-120-1 (cealing)

 

He was asking for Gordon's floor & ceiling numbers for the whole game, not just the 1st half. :lol:

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14 minutes ago, TommyKramer said:

He was asking for Gordon's floor & ceiling numbers for the whole game, not just the 1st half. :lol:

Well his floor for targets is 11. Against the PFF best corner in the league who said that Gordon was his toughest matchup all year. 

 

So 11 targets, 7 catches, 168, 2 TD

 

See you in the semis boys.

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4 hours ago, dashoe said:

 

 

Let me simplify for you. Your assumption and comparison assume game conditions and teams are static when in fact things are dynamic and there is randomness in predictable events. You weight to heavily towards a past result.

 

You do know teams plan and make adjustments for their upcoming opponents and that every team has different personnel that is not exactly like another team.  So it's a bit simplistic to assume that because Gordon had a decent stat line against the chargers which are a better defense than the bears, he will have a better statline. 

The bears can scheme to prevent Gordon from getting the ball by giving Kizer an easier target, the same as the chargers schemed to prevent coleman from getting the ball.

Kizer isn't a good enough QB to throw into double or tight coverage so he may opt to throw it to Nojuku or Duke. So my point to you it's a lazy logic to think because 1 defense is ranked lower than another your stud will have an amazing game against them. Predictably he should perform better but that outcome may never happen. Take a look at Julio Jones, defenses scheme every week to prevent him from beating them thus forcing Matt Ryan to target other players, that may be the case with Gordon going forward.  Now some players are just so good they disrupt the best laid defensive plans,

As i said before hopefully the Browns coaching staff has schemes that will get the ball to Gordon in ways Kizers potential for errors are limited.

 

This. The Bears may not choose a similar defensive scheme to the Chargers, and that could drastically change Gordon's production. 

 

Now, I don't know what happened in the SD coaches' room, but I can maybe speculate:

 

"We have Casey Heyward. He's good enough to cover Gordon one on one. Gordon's got a hell of a lot of talent, but Casey's good enough that he might be able to at least contain his production. If we let Casey shadow him, that means we can focus on shutting down Kizer and rattling him with blitzes with the extra defender we're not devoting to double-teaming Gordon. We have a better chance to win by disrupting Kizer than by giving Kizer time just so we can completely stop Gordon with the double team."

 

The Bears might likely look at it differently:

 

"We don't have anyone who can cover Gordon one on one. If we let him run free, he might single-handedly be responsible for multiple touchdowns against us. So let's double him because he's that good. Kizer isn't good enough to drive the length of the field over and over to beat us. We want to run the ball and control the clock, and can't afford to give up the big play to Gordon. We'll shut down Gordon, try to keep the rest of the offense in front of us, and at least force Kizer into winning through sustained drives without big plays, which we don't think he's capable of doing."

 

Am I right about either one? I don't know.

 

The Chargers mostly let Heyward cover Gordon on an island all game, and Kizer threw for under 50%, 1:1 TD:INT ratio, and was sacked three times. More importantly, the Chargers won the game. So whatever their strategy was, it seemed to come together for them. Gordon went for 85 yards, but in the grand scheme of things, didn't do any damage on the scoreboard. 

 

The Bears? We'll have to see. I don't know what their strategy will be, but it might be more of a "stop Gordon at all costs" strategy. And it might not. 

 

But NFL defenses often get into a "pick your poison" situation. You can't assume the Bears will pick the same as the Chargers, particularly without a guy like Casey Heyward on the roster. 

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2 minutes ago, bwarbiany said:

 

This. The Bears may not choose a similar defensive scheme to the Chargers, and that could drastically change Gordon's production. 

 

Now, I don't know what happened in the SD coaches' room, but I can maybe speculate:

 

"We have Casey Heyward. He's good enough to cover Gordon one on one. Gordon's got a hell of a lot of talent, but Casey's good enough that he might be able to at least contain his production. If we let Casey shadow him, that means we can focus on shutting down Kizer and rattling him with blitzes with the extra defender we're not devoting to double-teaming Gordon. We have a better chance to win by disrupting Kizer than by giving Kizer time just so we can completely stop Gordon with the double team."

 

The Bears might likely look at it differently:

 

"We don't have anyone who can cover Gordon one on one. If we let him run free, he might single-handedly be responsible for multiple touchdowns against us. So let's double him because he's that good. Kizer isn't good enough to drive the length of the field over and over to beat us. We want to run the ball and control the clock, and can't afford to give up the big play to Gordon. We'll shut down Gordon, try to keep the rest of the offense in front of us, and at least force Kizer into winning through sustained drives without big plays, which we don't think he's capable of doing."

 

Am I right about either one? I don't know.

 

The Chargers mostly let Heyward cover Gordon on an island all game, and Kizer threw for under 50%, 1:1 TD:INT ratio, and was sacked three times. More importantly, the Chargers won the game. So whatever their strategy was, it seemed to come together for them. Gordon went for 85 yards, but in the grand scheme of things, didn't do any damage on the scoreboard. 

 

The Bears? We'll have to see. I don't know what their strategy will be, but it might be more of a "stop Gordon at all costs" strategy. And it might not. 

 

But NFL defenses often get into a "pick your poison" situation. You can't assume the Bears will pick the same as the Chargers, particularly without a guy like Casey Heyward on the roster. 

 

Wont matter, doesnt obj draw double teams? Does AB draw double teams?

 

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