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I don't think there 's a whole lot to see here on this injury. Tim Riordan, a producer on SiriusXM Fantasy, attended the game NH game yesterday and said that Vlad Jr was in the dugout and moving aroun

Just wanted to reaffirm that Vladdy Jr. isn't being held back by his D. Not sure why it's being perpetuated (more than likely a combination of his size\build and out of date scouting reports). He's ac

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1 hour ago, hypeiz4real said:

This is an absolute joke, nothing more to say. :D

 

Yup, thank god other pro leagues don't have the stupid rules MLB does in regards to service time. etc. Fans get robbed of watching these young stars. 

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On 8/8/2018 at 12:17 PM, moeron22 said:

How is this same old, re-hashed "bUt HiS DeFeNsE" debate still taking place in here? This time seems to be the most asinine...not sure how state income taxes affect whether or not they call up Vlad Jr. this year...

 

Mods will suspend for PM's, but allow this garbage to clutter threads? Shame.

State income tax?  It's the income tax for the country of CANADA and the province of ONTARIO is what hits the Blue Jays for free agents.  Canada taxes everything over 200k at about 33% and then Ontario taxes an ADDITIONAL 12%.  Ya, being taxed 45% of your wages has absolutely nothing to do with a free agent deciding where he plays.  Whereas Seattle only would tax 37%.  That's only 8 cents on the dollar difference in take home.  Nah, you're right, absolutely nobody does that when there have been multiple stories about it.

 

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19 hours ago, daynlokki said:

State income tax?  It's the income tax for the country of CANADA and the province of ONTARIO is what hits the Blue Jays for free agents.  Canada taxes everything over 200k at about 33% and then Ontario taxes an ADDITIONAL 12%.  Ya, being taxed 45% of your wages has absolutely nothing to do with a free agent deciding where he plays.  Whereas Seattle only would tax 37%.  That's only 8 cents on the dollar difference in take home.  Nah, you're right, absolutely nobody does that when there have been multiple stories about it.

 

 

Ok, so what does all of that have to do with whether or not Vlad Jr. is called up THIS season? Are the Jays actively factoring Provincial income tax into their decision to keep him down? Is any of this relevant to this thread?

 

 

 

...No...

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On 8/13/2018 at 1:23 PM, moeron22 said:

 

Ok, so what does all of that have to do with whether or not Vlad Jr. is called up THIS season? Are the Jays actively factoring Provincial income tax into their decision to keep him down? Is any of this relevant to this thread?

 

 

 

...No...

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

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Someone needs to tell Vladdy to stop hitting the ball so hard, so that his BABIP can come down enough to convince armchair statisticians that he's better than average

 

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2 hours ago, daynlokki said:

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

 

Wonder why you didn't use Soto or Acuna as your examples for being "rushed"?  Hmm...

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5 hours ago, daynlokki said:

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

 

He would not be Super Two if he came up now.  That deadline passed in June.  You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

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16 hours ago, daynlokki said:

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

He has elite peripherals.. Saying they don't scream a call up is just factually wrong and shows a complete lack of understanding of how those numbers work. 

 

Elite contact rates, where he puts the ball in the air 60% of the time. Drawing walks and illustrating exceptional in game power. Literally everything you could ever ask of a hitter to do.

 

Its considered a bad sign for a prospect to not have higher BABIP in the minors. They are facing inferior pitching and inferior defenders, it suggests a flaw in the quality of the contact they are making. 

 

 

 

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On 8/14/2018 at 11:25 PM, daynlokki said:

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

 

Do any of his stats suggest his BABIP is inflated?  I mean...that's what happens when you hit the cover off the ball.

 

I don't think the Buxton comp is insane, however there are considerable differences.  Buxton profiled as a 5 category guy which can be dangerous because he could end up in the "doesn't really do one thing well" category.


Main difference is that Buxton never profiled as the hitter Vlad has.  Vlad has clearly shown more patience and an ability to strikeout at nearly 10% lower rate than Buxton.  Of course there's a lot of unknown with Vlad, and a lot of us prospect hounds just assuming he'll be a perennial all-star should probably cool our expectations.

 

Either way he's ready now and certain guys shatter advanced stats.  I don't blame Toronto for holding back, however it definitely hurts the game overall to have an elite guy wasting ABs in the minors.

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On 8/14/2018 at 10:25 PM, daynlokki said:

Read previous posts.  Where it is discussed how difficult it is to bring in FAs to Toronto.  That's why they are keeping him down, because he most likely will NOT sign an extension with Toronto.  If he came up now, he'd also be Super Two and gain an extra year of arbitration.  His peripherals don't scream that he must come up.  His HR % per fly ball is outrageously high.  His BABIP is also ridiculously high.  Even in comparison to previous seasons he has had.  With an average BABIP he's about a .290 average with about 20 hrs.  Not a good enough reason to rush him like Minny rushed Buxton or Moncada was rushed.  Both were sure things and now they look like crap.

 

This is going to be great for @OldTakesExposed and @SomeonesAnIdiot

 

Don't worry, Skip Bayless is frequently mocked on there too.

 

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