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It definitely didn't seem dink and dunk like what I'd seen previously.  Only times I typically saw Smith go downfield often on a drive is if they were down a lot.  At least against the Pats they aggressively attacked and it seemed different, at least to my casual eyes.  Whether it was, or keeps up, I don't know.

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For fantasy purposes, he has not really shown much as a "hit it out of the park" guy. Game manager has been a fair label. Let's see what happens this week, he does know that his replacement is on the sidelines. Maybe this is his aggressive year...

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32 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Three actually. You're making it obvious you didn't watch the game. Anyone who did can see that Smith aired it out quite a bit. 

 

 

I own Tyreek Hill, and absolutely did watch the game.

 

Alex Smith was no Brett Favre.

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25 minutes ago, MariGOATA said:

Alex Smith has always been a good QB. I dunno why people assume hes a bad QB. The last year loss was all Andy Reid. The guy is a horrible coach.

 

There's a good real life QB, and a good-for-fantasy QB.  We're really only debating the later here, and there are qualities for fantasy that a game manager-type QB usually doesn't bring to the table in order to be a consistent fantasy performer.

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1 hour ago, Robrain said:

 

There's a good real life QB, and a good-for-fantasy QB.  We're really only debating the later here, and there are qualities for fantasy that a game manager-type QB usually doesn't bring to the table in order to be a consistent fantasy performer.

 

Consistency has never been Smith's problem in fantasy...it's been his extremely limited ceiling. Wk 1 was a sign that 2017 may be different. We'll see. 

 

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7 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Consistency has never been Smith's problem in fantasy...it's been his extremely limited ceiling. Wk 1 was a sign that 2017 may be different. We'll see. 

 

 

CAREER STATSMORE
Season Team   Passing Rushing Fumbles
  G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
2017 Kansas City Chiefs 1 1 28 35 80.0 368 10.5 4 0 3 16 148.6 5 3 0.6 0 -- --
 
2016 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 328 489 67.1 3,502 7.2 15 8 28 140 91.2 48 134 2.8 5 7 4
 
2015 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 307 470 65.3 3,486 7.4 20 7 45 235 95.4 84 498 5.9 2 4 0
 
2014 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 303 464 65.3 3,265 7.0 18 6 45 229 93.4 49 254 5.2 1 4 1
 
2013 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 308 508 60.6 3,313 6.5 23 7 39 210 89.1 76 431 5.7 1 7 3
 
2012 San Francisco 49ers 10 9 153 218 70.2 1,737 8.0 13 5 24 137 104.1 31 132 4.3 0 4 1
 
2011 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 273 445 61.3 3,144 7.1 17 5 44 263 90.7 52 179 3.4 2 7 2
 
2010 San Francisco 49ers 11 10 204 342 59.6 2,370 6.9 14 10 25 140 82.1 18 60 3.3 0 4 2
 
2009 San Francisco 49ers 11 10 225 372 60.5 2,350 6.3 18 12 22 134 81.5 24 51 2.1 0 3 1
 
2008 San Francisco 49ers 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
 
2007 San Francisco 49ers 7 7 94 193 48.7 914 4.7 2 4 17 121 57.2 13 89 6.8 0 6 5
 
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 257 442 58.1 2,890 6.5 16 16 35 202 74.8 44 147 3.3 2 10 5
 
2005 San Francisco 49ers 9 7 84 165 50.9 875 5.3 1 11 29 185 40.8 30 103 3.4 0 11 3
 
TOTAL 2,564 4,143 61.9 28,214 6.8 161 91 356 2,012 85.8 474 2,081 4.4 13 67 27

 

 

If you've been a QB in the NFL over 10 years, and the best you can put together is three seasons of 20 or more TDs (specifically, 24, 22, 20, from least-to-most-recent), you are not even in the discussion for being a consistent fantasy QB.

 

I mean, we're cherry-picking his three best seasons and that extrapolates to 1.375 TDs per game.

 

32 TDs in a season = 2 TDs per game average.

 

If you can't even reach 25 TDs in a single season, let alone 30+, you have NEVER EVER EVER been a consistent fantasy QB.

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1 minute ago, Robrain said:

 

CAREER STATSMORE
Season Team   Passing Rushing Fumbles
  G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
2017 Kansas City Chiefs 1 1 28 35 80.0 368 10.5 4 0 3 16 148.6 5 3 0.6 0 -- --
 
2016 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 328 489 67.1 3,502 7.2 15 8 28 140 91.2 48 134 2.8 5 7 4
 
2015 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 307 470 65.3 3,486 7.4 20 7 45 235 95.4 84 498 5.9 2 4 0
 
2014 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 303 464 65.3 3,265 7.0 18 6 45 229 93.4 49 254 5.2 1 4 1
 
2013 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 308 508 60.6 3,313 6.5 23 7 39 210 89.1 76 431 5.7 1 7 3
 
2012 San Francisco 49ers 10 9 153 218 70.2 1,737 8.0 13 5 24 137 104.1 31 132 4.3 0 4 1
 
2011 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 273 445 61.3 3,144 7.1 17 5 44 263 90.7 52 179 3.4 2 7 2
 
2010 San Francisco 49ers 11 10 204 342 59.6 2,370 6.9 14 10 25 140 82.1 18 60 3.3 0 4 2
 
2009 San Francisco 49ers 11 10 225 372 60.5 2,350 6.3 18 12 22 134 81.5 24 51 2.1 0 3 1
 
2008 San Francisco 49ers 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
 
2007 San Francisco 49ers 7 7 94 193 48.7 914 4.7 2 4 17 121 57.2 13 89 6.8 0 6 5
 
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 257 442 58.1 2,890 6.5 16 16 35 202 74.8 44 147 3.3 2 10 5
 
2005 San Francisco 49ers 9 7 84 165 50.9 875 5.3 1 11 29 185 40.8 30 103 3.4 0 11 3
 
TOTAL 2,564 4,143 61.9 28,214 6.8 161 91 356 2,012 85.8 474 2,081 4.4 13 67 27

 

 

If you've been a QB in the NFL over 10 years, and the best you can put together is three seasons of 20 or more TDs (specifically, 24, 22, 20, from least-to-most-recent), you are not even in the discussion for being a consistent fantasy QB.

 

I mean, we're cherry-picking his three best seasons and that extrapolates to 1.375 TDs per game.

 

32 TDs in a season = 2 TDs per game average.

 

If you can't even reach 25 TDs in a single season, let alone 30+, you have NEVER EVER EVER been a consistent fantasy QB.

 

Fortunately, QB scoring in FFL includes rushing yards and rushing TDs, which made Smith a high-end QB2 once Harbaugh became his HC in 2011. He's continued that since with Reid except last year when he didn't run as much. 

 

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2 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Fortunately, QB scoring in FFL includes rushing yards and rushing TDs, which made Smith a high-end QB2 once Harbaugh became his HC in 2011. He's continued that since with Reid except last year when he didn't run as much. 

 

 

If you even bothered to look at his chart there, you'd clearly see that I included his rushing TDs in those totals.

 

And Harbaugh what?  Alex Smith never even hit 200 rushing yards until he was with the Chiefs.  Go sleep off whatever you're smoking, pal.

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43 minutes ago, ShowStopper said:

Anyone taking this guy seriously as a QB1 yet? He's been great this season. Against a tough eagles secondary he had a respectable game. He's got weapons all over the field and has been consistently accurate delivering the ball 

 

I'm buying as a legitimate QB1. Career highs in completion %, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. I know it's just two games, but he looks like a different player out there. His accuracy on deep throws has been fantastic, and the running game has so far been one of the best in recent years.

 

I was planning on starting Palmer until Luck came back, but he looks toast. Consistently misses his open receivers. I will now be starting Smith in his place. Wouldn't be surprised if he finishes the season in the top 8.

 

He let a promising young QB take his job before, and there's no way in hell he's gonna let it happen again.

 

 

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How is everyone feeling about starting him this week? This is something I am strongly considering doing in my main league. Aside from his great start to the year, last year he absolutely owned the Chargers. In two games he went 55/76 (72% completion) 627 yards, 4 Passing TDs, 2 INTs, 36 rushing yards and a rushing TD in each game. That averages out to 313.5 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT and 18 Rushing yards.

 

Now i am not expecting those numbers exactly, but I do think that he can post up a very nice stat line. I see him as much less risky as the other QB streaming options we have for the week.

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Even as a KC homer with numerous other KC homers in our league Alex was still there late in the draft so based on comments he'd made about all the TC practice throwing downfield more etc. I took him as my 2nd QB(Big Ben was my first QB drafted).I also pulled the trigger in hopes that having the young gun Mahomes in his rear view mirror would make him better as well.

 

So week 1 I started Smith(didn't like Ben on the road at a division opponent) and we all know how that turned out.

 

I've yet to start Ben and will not be doing so this week either,Alex is my starter until he gives me a reason not be.

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Watching him against Philly I didn't see a much different Alex Smith from years past. He still takes wayyy too many easy sacks because he's scared to make a mistake. He's still checkdown Charlie. There was a play in the game I spotted at the end of the 2nd quarter where Smith had time in the pocket, a shallow cross was drawing the middle linebacker away and another receiver was gonna come across the field with a clear passing lane to throw the WR open between behind two LBs and infront of the single deep safety but Smith just stepped up into the pocket right into a Fletcher Cox sack instead and they had to punt. These are the type of plays that they drafted Patrick Mahomes for, he's going to make those throws, and these are the type of plays that Alex Smith doesn't make that gets him called a game manager. He's a damn good game manager don't get me wrong, and Andy Reid did a masterful job adjusting in the 2nd half to the Eagles bringing the house with screens and misdirection plays that worked to perfection. Alex Smith was hitting easy short throws to his playmakers who churned yards for him. He did hit 1 nice deep ball to Chris Conley I believe so I'll give credit where credit is due, I just can't wait to see Mahomes in there next season so we can see the full potential of this offense.

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On 9/18/2017 at 9:03 PM, ShowStopper said:

Anyone taking this guy seriously as a QB1 yet? He's been great this season. Against a tough eagles secondary he had a respectable game. He's got weapons all over the field and has been consistently accurate delivering the ball 

I think he's got a decent shot at being a low end QB1 or high end QB2. He most definitely deserves to be rostered and started in plus match ups by the owners who didn't invest a high pick in a QB. That being said the Eagles have a very suspect secondary and we're missing their top corner and one of their starting safeties.

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On September 20, 2017 at 7:16 AM, DeepDive said:

Some Alex Smith graphics:

 

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Not much separation by Conley but Smith dropped a dime ^

 

 

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Sure, Alex Smith will not finish the season as the number 1 fantasy QB. But a QB1? So far so good.

 

 

I hate dropping alex smith...

 

and to add salt to the wound, i hate sean payton even more....

 

Alex Smith will finish as a qb1 if his running game keeps playing the way it has

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On 21.9.2017 at 5:59 PM, Unbreakable said:

How is everyone feeling about starting him this week? This is something I am strongly considering doing in my main league. Aside from his great start to the year, last year he absolutely owned the Chargers. In two games he went 55/76 (72% completion) 627 yards, 4 Passing TDs, 2 INTs, 36 rushing yards and a rushing TD in each game. That averages out to 313.5 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT and 18 Rushing yards.

 

Now i am not expecting those numbers exactly, but I do think that he can post up a very nice stat line. I see him as much less risky as the other QB streaming options we have for the week.

 

I had Palmer as my interim QB till Luck gets back - just dropped him for Smith. Starting him with confidence this week, especially with Verrett out. I hope he continues to do well and takes some pain out of the Luck waiting game.

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