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16 minutes ago, Lord_Varys said:

Cousins was under so much pressure all night, he never had a chance to set his feet and look downfield.  It was almost always the checkdown option.

 

Good news is that should improve.  

 

Bad news is Cardinals and Broncos in Weeks 15 and 16.

 

Im very concerned about the health of the OL. Those guys were dropping like flies last night.  What will their status be next week v. Dallas? 

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Just now, TennisMenace said:

 

Im very concerned about the health of the OL. Those guys were dropping like flies last night.  What will their status be next week v. Dallas? 

 

This is a major issue.  All of you who are bashing the Skins vanilla passing game, it's working pretty well so I'm not sure why they would change it too much... they have to protect Cousins because he's going to be under pressure.

 

The biggest issue with the Redskins offense right now is the fact that they can't run the football consistently.  O-Line injuries and the fact that they don't have a talented between-the-tackles runner don't help that.

 

I know everyone wants them to start airing it out to Doctson 10 times a game, but I sincerely doubt that's going to happen.  Be happy that he seems to have overtaken worthless Pryor as the starter, and he should be able to put together a couple decent games ROS.

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1 minute ago, SkinsChargersFan said:

 

This is a major issue.  All of you who are bashing the Skins vanilla passing game, it's working pretty well so I'm not sure why they would change it too much... they have to protect Cousins because he's going to be under pressure.

 

The biggest issue with the Redskins offense right now is the fact that they can't run the football consistently.  O-Line injuries and the fact that they don't have a talented between-the-tackles runner don't help that.

 

I know everyone wants them to start airing it out to Doctson 10 times a game, but I sincerely doubt that's going to happen.  Be happy that he seems to have overtaken worthless Pryor as the starter, and he should be able to put together a couple decent games ROS.

 

If he has overtaken Pryor, then why was  Pryor the WR who got all the looks and passes in the fourth quarter, while Josh got nothing?

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13 minutes ago, TennisMenace said:

 

Unfortunately with byes weeks 8-10 and the fact that I will not drop my kicker, GZ, or my tight end, Ertz, which means I will have to carry two of them when on bye, I will have to drop one of my 6 WRs (you play 3)

 

Diggs, Hogan, and Funchess are in droppable to me. 

 

Corey Davis, Kearse, and Doctson are the maybe. I’ve held Davis too long to drop him. So, Kearse or Doctson. 

 

He may have to go mostly because his match up in weeks 9/10dont look appealing and with Diggs and Hogan out in week 9, I need consistency. (Non ppr) 

 

There's a lot of CSB going on here but you are in a tough spot. I have GZ and Jax D on bye but I'm not dropping Doctson. If you believe in Doctson's ceiling you prob drop Kearse. 

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58 minutes ago, yahyahtrick said:

 

There's a lot of CSB going on here but you are in a tough spot. I have GZ and Jax D on bye but I'm not dropping Doctson. If you believe in Doctson's ceiling you prob drop Kearse. 

 

Doctson’s ceiling is an interesting topic.  Honestly, I haven’t been persuaded that By week 11 Josh is going to be the man out there and should be garnishing 8 or more targets and plenty of RZ looks as well. 

 

I am going to have to wait to get all the info on the health of the OL but if all those guys who are injured don’t get completely healed, then Cousins will be releasing quickly all year long and Josh will continue to get his 3-4 targets. 

 

Yes, I am encouraged he had many more snaps, but not encouraged Cousins hardly looked his way, and this is with Pryor on the bench. I definitely am not convinced Pryor is old news based on the fact the coach put him back out there in the 4th and he ended up getting as many or more targets than Josh in just one quarter. Oh, and if you didn’t pick this up.....Reed is back, especially around the end zone. 

 

No, I don’t feel Josh’s ceiling is as high as Corey Davis’ ceiling. 

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1 hour ago, TennisMenace said:

 

Unfortunately with byes weeks 8-10 and the fact that I will not drop my kicker, GZ, or my tight end, Ertz, which means I will have to carry two of them when on bye, I will have to drop one of my 6 WRs (you play 3)

 

Diggs, Hogan, and Funchess are in droppable to me. 

 

Corey Davis, Kearse, and Doctson are the maybe. I’ve held Davis too long to drop him. So, Kearse or Doctson. 

 

He may have to go mostly because his match up in weeks 9/10dont look appealing and with Diggs and Hogan out in week 9, I need consistency. (Non ppr) 

 

Hahaha.  Please come play in my league.  

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7 minutes ago, cyberwatty said:

I have touted this guy for a while now and people still need to see it to believe it. I really don't understand how you win like that. This guy has every major sign of an upcoming breakout. 

 

Whether you believe or not he should not be on waivers. 

 

 

if u read the majority of comments it's not about the player it's about the QB and coaches getting him the ball. 

look at the fantasy favorite perine the guy has had every opportunity  to be the lead back  because he had multiple touches to prove his talent; Gruden is committed to running the ball but Perine blew his opportunity.  Terrelle was a favorite too and he blew his opportunity with dropped balls when he was getting high targets  first couple of games. Since then the playcalling  has utilized te/rb more in the passing game and as a result diminished wr opportunity. The trend over 6 games has been apparent.

Question is will the coaches and QB deviate from their dink  and dink game  which has been working for them. 

 

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The Redskins’ passing attack doesn’t have a No. 1 receiver, and it’s working anyway

By Rick Snider October 17

The Redskins’ passing game has gone topsy-turvy and sideways, and the funny thing about it is that it’s working. Entering the season, marquee free agent pickup Terrelle Pryor Sr. and 2016 first-round pick Josh Doctson were expected to be the team’s top receivers. But they’ve been outplayed by a third-down running back and a former fifth-round pick. Quarterback Kirk Cousins has relied on a group effort. Nine players caught passes against San Francisco on Sunday. None were targeted more than five times. Translation: The Redskins don’t have a go-to wide receiver anymore. A diverse cast of receivers looks good compared to the team’s mostly plodding running attack.

Despite coach Jay Gruden’s surprisingly dogged determination to make the running game work, Washington averaged just 2.8 yards per carry Sunday, and Cousins was the team’s second-leading runner. Running back Chris Thompson leads the club in yards receiving (340) and is tied with Jordan Reed — who has only 142 yards this year — for the team lead in receptions (18). Ryan Grant, a 2014 fifth-round pick who caught just nine passes last season, has become a reliable target in crunch time and has 13 catches and two TDs. Meanwhile, slot specialist Jamison Crowder was expected to be a leading target this year, but he has just 17 receptions and seems to go through stretches when he’s invisible to Cousins. Pryor has 16 catches, but his role remains small. Doctson has only four receptions so far. Cousins is on track to pass 4,000 yards passing for a third straight season, but he’s doing it by going deep through his progressions. Gruden describes Cousins as “efficient,” which is the only way he’ll put up big numbers with this cast.

Gruden is still retooling this offense to account for the reality that Pryor and Doctson aren’t going to dominate. Spreading the ball around to nine players shows the Redskins have adopted a receiver-by-committee approach.  “I think it’s an indication of people doing their jobs, No. 1,” Gruden said. “I think any time we have a route combination, I think [Cousins] trusts everybody involved in the pattern and he’s seeing things pretty clearly, getting to his right reads and right progressions.”

The best part of Gruden’s reinvented offense is defenses have to account for everyone. There might be single coverage on two of his targets per snap. The downside is the lack of a go-to playmaker. Last year the Redskins could force the ball to Pierre Garcon when they needed a first down. Grant or Reed may emerge as the first choice on third-down throws. Coaches love to say it takes the whole roster to win. That’s not always true, but it certainly is when it comes to Washington’s passing game.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2017/10/17/the-redskins-passing-attack-doesnt-have-a-no-1-receiver-and-its-working-anyway/

 

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NYG - Jenkins

SEA - Sherman

MIN - Xavier

NO - Lattimore

ARI - Petersen

DEN - No Fly zone

 

So you're gonna actually play this guy WITH CONFIDENCE, when? One or two games ROS? And that's IF he has a breakout game vs DAL. With that schedule I'd have a hard time starting ANYONE.

 

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1 minute ago, martinjlm said:

NYG - Jenkins

SEA - Sherman

MIN - Xavier

NO - Lattimore

ARI - Petersen

DEN - No Fly zone

 

So you're gonna actually play this guy WITH CONFIDENCE, when? One or two games ROS? And that's IF he has a breakout game vs DAL. With that schedule I'd have a hard time starting ANYONE.

 

Why is everyone so sure that the top back is going to be covering Doctson? He's not even considered the WR1 on the team right now.

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3 minutes ago, oliminator123 said:

Why is everyone so sure that the top back is going to be covering Doctson? He's not even considered the WR1 on the team right now.

If he starts over Pryor, like last night.. from here on out he is defacto No.1 receiver right?

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9 minutes ago, martinjlm said:

NYG - Jenkins

SEA - Sherman

MIN - Xavier

NO - Lattimore

ARI - Petersen

DEN - No Fly zone

 

So you're gonna actually play this guy WITH CONFIDENCE, when? One or two games ROS? And that's IF he has a breakout game vs DAL. With that schedule I'd have a hard time starting ANYONE.

 

 

Between the schedule and the way Washington is spreading things around on offense, I want no part of any of their WR's.  They haven't had a single WR this year show any kind of consistency from a fantasy perspective.  

 

After having owned Pryor this year and finally unloading him in a trade last week, I want nothing to do with the WR's in this passing game.

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5 minutes ago, Brettg57 said:

If he starts over Pryor, like last night.. from here on out he is defacto No.1 receiver right?

 

It doesnt matter much because hes at best 3rd on the pecking order. C. Thompson and whoever between Davis and Reed Cousins decides to favor more for the particular matchup will always be higher than any WR on the Redskins.

 

The WR1 position on the Skins is about as useless as the RB1 position on the Browns.

 

 

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Much has been made of Josh Doctson's talent since being selected in the first round of the 2016 draft and if he's going to continue to see this kind of usage going forward, he could flirt with WR3 value in the second half of the season.

Chris Moore - Rotoballer 

 

OMG he could be a whole WR3 at some point? Well now that’s worth major FAAB. ??‍♂️?

 

There’s about 20 WR on the wire with WR3 potential. 

 

Just because he was drafted in the first round means nothing when he hasn’t been good enough to see more than 39% snaps in seven weeks and his QB throws to TEs and RBs more than WRs. Coupled with the brutal schedule he’s not even a hold. 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, martinjlm said:

Much has been made of Josh Doctson's talent since being selected in the first round of the 2016 draft and if he's going to continue to see this kind of usage going forward, he could flirt with WR3 value in the second half of the season.

Chris Moore - Rotoballer 

 

OMG he could be a whole WR3 at some point? Well now that’s worth major FAAB. ??‍♂️?

 

There’s about 20 WR on the wire with WR3 potential. 

 

Just because he was drafted in the first round means nothing when he hasn’t been good enough to see more than 39% snaps in seven weeks and his QB throws to TEs and RBs more than WRs. Coupled with the brutal schedule he’s not even a hold. 

 

 

 

 

Hey, he is just my WR3 when he does play, but since WR3 points count just as much as WR1 does, that slot is still valuable to me. In truth, lately there is little difference in score between my WR1 and WR3 due to injuries. 

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40 minutes ago, Brettg57 said:

If he starts over Pryor, like last night.. from here on out he is defacto No.1 receiver right?

 

I don’t see that happening next week. I think the coach wanted to make a statement to Pryor. Thus he reinserted him and threw him the ball often in the fourth q. 

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1 minute ago, TennisMenace said:

 

Hey, he is just my WR3 when he does play, but since WR3 points count just as much as WR1 does, that slot is still valuable to me. In truth, lately there is little difference in score between my WR1 and WR3 due to injuries. 

yeah the WR pool has been awful this year. I'll load up on these WR3s all day in hopes of a breakout

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I want to hold, but with bye weeks and injuries this guy might actually have to start for me. :o

 

Meanwhile, you have guys like Golladay/TJ Jones who will be useful in the next several weeks with a Tate injury, Goodwin/Robinson in SF (yikes), some of the Jets pass catchers, Dede Westbrook coming back week 9, etc.

 

I think sometimes we hold to stead to an idea (pipe dream?) and refuse to waver.  Wondering if I'm doing that with Doctson.  The snap count is encouraging, but the spread the ball around mentality is damning.  That Washington Post article hit it right on the head.

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5 minutes ago, CooL said:

That Washington Post article hit it right on the head.

 

Except the 'reinvented offense' hasn't worked. Redskins are sitting at 3-3. Barely beat a 49ers team (26-24) that the Cowboys clobbered 40-10. Same Cowboys that are coming to town this week. This offense is less than inspiring to be honest. I think McVay is missed a lot and I underestimated how integral he was to Cousins/Redskins success on offense last season. Either this team is going to keep sucking with the dink and dunk conservative offense, or they will go back to what was working last season. This team can potentially find itself 3-7 in 4 weeks time unless they figure things out on offense.

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37 minutes ago, CooL said:

Meanwhile, you have guys like Golladay/TJ Jones who will be useful in the next several weeks with a Tate injury, Goodwin/Robinson in SF (yikes), some of the Jets pass catchers, Dede Westbrook coming back week 9, etc.

 

Hopefully you meant Marvin Jones. TJ Jones is a JAG from everything we have seen from him the last 3 seasons. Not sure how one could trust him at all going forward with Tate injured. 

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