Br0kenB 1,943 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I love him with Kizer. They'll likely be behind a lot of the time and that line is good enough to give Kizer some time and for Coleman to get down the field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpartanEric 727 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 9 hours ago, Vendetta said: He's going way too late relative to his potential. He has inched pretty far up my draft list. 1st round talent that should get a lot of targets with a bad defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,462 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Br0kenB said: I love him with Kizer. They'll likely be behind a lot of the time and that line is good enough to give Kizer some time and for Coleman to get down the field. kizer also ca buy time with his legs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_dying_dream 188 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Shhhh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdpat15 258 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 hours ago, Vendetta said: He's going way too late relative to his potential. I really like what im seeing from CC this preseason. Kizer loves throwing to him and they have built a connection according to CC. I think he gets a lot of targets this year and will produce borderline WR2 numbers considering the browns will be in catch up mode in most games....thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Br0kenB 1,943 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 WR2 is too wishful. He'll be a WR3 with upside thanks to volume. Health is obviously a huge concern. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KennyWoo 3,319 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Pryor was WR23 last year in PPR on 140 targets. (I removed rushing and passing stats as Pryor got some strange run as a QB in gimmicks packages mid-season.) 140 targets is a lot of volume, but Pryor was a bit unlucky with only 4 TD receptions on that volume. It wouldn't stun me to see Coleman get enough junk targets (not 140, but maybe 125) and a little more TD luck than Pryor had to be around WR23 this season as a ceiling. With CLE committed to the run, plus Duke catching dump offs, Britt being there, and presumably they will want to give some target share (not huge, but some) to Njoku to integrate him into the offense, I just don't see a gigantic target number. But Coleman has the pedigree to at least be a useful player in spots this year. If you are drafting him I think hoping for WR2 upside is possible but perhaps a bridge too far. Still a useful property. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdpat15 258 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, KennyWoo said: Pryor was WR23 last year in PPR on 140 targets. (I removed rushing and passing stats as Pryor got some strange run as a QB in gimmicks packages mid-season.) 140 targets is a lot of volume, but Pryor was a bit unlucky with only 4 TD receptions on that volume. It wouldn't stun me to see Coleman get enough junk targets (not 140, but maybe 125) and a little more TD luck than Pryor had to be around WR23 this season as a ceiling. With CLE committed to the run, plus Duke catching dump offs, Britt being there, and presumably they will want to give some target share (not huge, but some) to Njoku to integrate him into the offense, I just don't see a gigantic target number. But Coleman has the pedigree to at least be a useful player in spots this year. If you are drafting him I think hoping for WR2 upside is possible but perhaps a bridge too far. Still a useful property. great analysis! I really believe he has the potential but health is an issue as noted above. He made some Sick catches this last preseason game. I got him in the 12th round of my draft so he is currently my wr 4/5..im just hoping he breaks out this year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdegs7 77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 No idea how this guy's adp is so low.... he's a good bet to hit better numbers than the ones Pryor put up last year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miasma16 3,344 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, jdegs7 said: No idea how this guy's adp is so low.... he's a good bet to hit better numbers than the ones Pryor put up last year You're betting that he'll top Pryor's Top 20 WR numbers from last year? PM me, I'd love to set that one up. He's a nice gamble where he's going but let's keep our support within the realms of reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DerrickHenrysCleats 5,884 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, miasma16 said: You're betting that he'll top Pryor's Top 20 WR numbers from last year? PM me, I'd love to set that one up. He's a nice gamble where he's going but let's keep our support within the realms of reality. 1000 yards with like 4TDs? Might not be hard for Coleman with Kizer throwing the rock. Pryor was catching passes from Kevin Hogan and co. Lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogfightgiggle 153 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Should be a great flex option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolling Thunder 2,095 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just about every season, a sophomore or even rookie WR (or two) breaks out big. Based on his eye-test audtions last season and this PS, Coleman is on my short list of nominees this year. It doesn't matter that Coleman carries a late-round ADP. If he's really the stud that Cleveland drafted him to be, his breakout won't be any less impactful for you simply because you paid next to nothing to acquire him. Expect big things from Coleman or move on to the next option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThanksRG3 41 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Last year's stats extrapolated over a full season would have come out to 53/661/5. Does it knock your socks off, no, but if you're getting him in the later rounds I see room for growth. Hopefully better QB play from Kizer, some targets up for grabs and hopefully a clean slate of health. If he does something like 65/810/6... you could do worse out of your flex. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolling Thunder 2,095 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Of all the guys available real late, he has the best chance to go off with 80/1000/8 or better. Robby Anderson would be another candidate if the Jets had a QB. Jones, Matthews, Hogan, Thielen and all the others being drafted in Coleman's neck of the woods have pretty hard ceilings IMO. If Coleman isn't the stud he was originally projected to be, such that those other guys marginally out perform him, it won't bother me a bit. When the 8th round of a 12 teamer rolls around, I begin looking for the one guy who makes 2017 the year he joins the ranks of next season's top 20 WRs. Coleman has the best chance to be that guy, so that is why he is at the top of my late-round shopping list. Every season I give thanks to all the folks who see more value in Marvin Jones' or Adam Thielen's floors than Coleman's ceiling. Edited August 28, 2017 by Rolling Thunder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SkinsChargersFan 3,422 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Rolling Thunder said: Of all the guys available real late, he has the best chance to go off with 80/1000/8 or better. Robby Anderson would be another candidate if the Jets had a QB. Jones, Matthews, Hogan, Thielen and all the others being drafted in Coleman's neck of the woods have pretty hard ceilings IMO. If Coleman isn't the stud he was originally projected to be, such that those other guys marginally out perform him, it won't bother me a bit. When the 8th round of a 12 teamer rolls around, I begin looking for the one guy who makes 2017 the year he joins the ranks of next season's top 20 WRs. Coleman has the best chance to be that guy, so that is why he is at the top of my late-round shopping list. Every season I give thanks to all the folks who see more value in Marvin Jones' or Adam Thielen's floors than Coleman's ceiling. So we are already sure Kizer is better than McCown? You make some great points, and I'm not saying I'd rather have Robby Anderson, but we still have to consider the Browns' QB situation a negative for Coleman. I got Coleman late for his breakout potential, but we have to be realistic about Kizer's ability to support a consistent WR in fantasy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolling Thunder 2,095 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said: I got Coleman late for his breakout potential, but we have to be realistic about Kizer's ability to support a consistent WR in fantasy. The point is you don't have to be realistic at all in the 10th round and beyond in a 12 teamer. That is precisely the time to begin dreaming . . . intelligently that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SkinsChargersFan 3,422 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rolling Thunder said: The point is you don't have to be realistic at all in the 10th round and beyond in a 12 teamer. That is precisely the time to begin dreaming . . . intelligently that is. You just said you're looking at him starting in the 8th round, and you said Robby Anderson would be a similar breakout candidate if the Jets had a QB. I'm simply pointing out the fact that we have absolutely no idea if the Browns have a QB. Also, IMO, the 8th is too early. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DezDynastyBryant 330 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 im all for coleman as an end of the roster flier, the upside is way too high not to Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rolling Thunder 2,095 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said: You just said you're looking at him starting in the 8th round, and you said Robby Anderson would be a similar breakout candidate if the Jets had a QB. I'm simply pointing out the fact that we have absolutely no idea if the Browns have a QB. Also, IMO, the 8th is too early. You misread my post. I said I look for ceiling busters beginning in the 8th. Some years, you have to be willing to take one there. I didn't say I'd look for Coleman there. He can be had in round 10 or beyond in 12 teamers. That is why he is the late round flier of choice IMO. Guys like Parker cost twice as much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdegs7 77 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 4 hours ago, miasma16 said: You're betting that he'll top Pryor's Top 20 WR numbers from last year? PM me, I'd love to set that one up. He's a nice gamble where he's going but let's keep our support within the realms of reality. Where are all the targets in Cleveland going to go? Pryor, the quintessential definition of an unpolished product, killed it last year with some CFL worthy quarterbacks throwing the rock to him. Coleman is an immense talent with an immense role in an ideal situation - I think sky is the limit for him. I easily think he can hit the 1000 yard mark and get five-eight touchdowns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
burninglegs 10,836 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rolling Thunder said: Guys like Parker cost twice as much. Why decide between them? Take both of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SkinsChargersFan 3,422 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rolling Thunder said: You misread my post. I said I look for ceiling busters beginning in the 8th. Some years, you have to be willing to take one there. I didn't say I'd look for Coleman there. He can be had in round 10 or beyond in 12 teamers. That is why he is the late round flier of choice IMO. Guys like Parker cost twice as much. Fair enough. However, I'd still put the Browns' QB situation on the same dire level as the Jets. Hopefully Kizer proves me wrong and feeds a healthy Coleman some accurate passes all year long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SkinsChargersFan 3,422 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, burninglegs said: Why decide between them? Take both of them. Exactly. I took both in my draft last night... Several rounds apart of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdpat15 258 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said: Fair enough. However, I'd still put the Browns' QB situation on the same dire level as the Jets. Hopefully Kizer proves me wrong and feeds a healthy Coleman some accurate passes all year long. I think Kizer will be a decent option this year for the browns and i think he will rely alot on Coleman...see article below http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Corey-Coleman-eager-to-get-to-work-with-DeShone-Kizer-Thats-my-guy/5394c2c4-faac-42e3-b2ef-3665a4b8baf2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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