RCRanger03 608 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just to continue on my Drummond comp, look at the stats so far this year: PLAYER, TEAM POS Min FGM/FGA FG% FTM 3PM OREB DREB AST STL BLK TO DD TD PTS Andre Drummond, Det C 31 5.3/9.5 .553 2.5 0.0 5.0 7.8 2.0 1.8 1.0 1.8 0.5 0.0 13.0 John Collins, Atl PF, C 19 4.8/9.0 .528 2.3 0.0 3.3 4.5 0.8 0.8 1.0 1.3 0.5 0.0 11.8 And it looks like he just picked up C status on Espn! That's a godsend for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhkim814 910 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1. Led the nation in player efficiency rating. 2. Elite fg% and better than average ft% as a big. 3. Low TOs 4. A bit of potential for 3s later in the season as he looked comfortable making the perimeter shot in the summer league (if this happens, jeez its game over, hands down waiver wire pick up of the season) 5. Need improvement on defense but stats are the only thing that matter in the fantasy. We can expect 0.5 stls and 1.5 blks per game if his minutes can climb to at least 25 min per game. 6. Rebounding machine 7. ACC Most Improved Player of the Year 8. Ilyasova signed for 1 year deal. 9. Most importantly, Hawks will not be competing for playoffs anytime soon. 10. When I watch him play, he moves so well without the ball. Often smaller guards have to create and find opportunities for their bigs, but JC's P&R and placement on the floor creates opportunites for his teammates. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miasma16 3,344 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bhkim814 said: 5. Need improvement on defense but stats are the only thing that matter in the fantasy. Not true. Minutes matter a great deal in fantasy, and if you can't play defense, you don't get minutes. Fortunately for us, Collins can play defense, and his main competition for minutes is Ghostface. Ersan makes John look like Marcus Camby. He's also a better overall player than Dedmon. The real concern for his minutes is him fouling out per-36 to date. That's not small sample size theater, that was a concern before the season started. But this is honestly shaping up as I expected. He's getting 20 minutes per game, he should be getting 25-30 by the end of the year. And as you alluded to in a post I otherwise completely agree with, he'll only need 25 to put up must-own numbers because of his stats. He's already been great with what he's getting. Edited October 25, 2017 by miasma16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhkim814 910 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, miasma16 said: Not true. Minutes matter a great deal in fantasy, and if you can't play defense, you don't get minutes. Fortunately for us, Collins can play defense, and his main competition for minutes is Ghostface. Ersan makes John look like Marcus Camby. He's also a better overall player than Dedmon. The real concern for his minutes is him fouling out per-36 to date. That's not small sample size theater, that was a concern before the season started. But this is honestly shaping up as I expected. He's getting 20 minutes per game, he should be getting 25-30 by the end of the year. And as you alluded to in a post I otherwise completely agree with, he'll only need 25 to put up must-own numbers because of his stats. Back in wake forest, he often had problems on P&R defense and letting players beat him off the dribble. He certainly can play defense as you mentioned, but that isn't his strong suit. There are plenty of bigs that gets the minutes while being bad at defense, just because their offensive game outweighs than defensive mistakes. He has room to improve and is already okay in terms of defense. At this point, fouling rate per 36 is the last thing i'd worry about lol. Heck I'd be glad if he starts averaging 25 minutes per game. People just want to see him out there as he is producing in such limited role. Then we'd judge him on his trouble with fouling and such. Edited October 25, 2017 by bhkim814 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markus85 159 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, bhkim814 said: 10. When I watch him play, he moves so well without the ball. Often smaller guards have to create and find opportunities for their bigs, but JC's P&R and placement on the floor creates opportunites for his teammates. Honestly, watching him in the high PnR is straight out of 2K - the movement is so fluid! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhkim814 910 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 This guy still like Dedmon ugh lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCRanger03 608 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Don't matter, had double double Just enjoy the ride folks, he's getting you startable stats in the current situation which is as low as he'll go unless he gets injured. I do believe he is going to FEAST on the bricks tonight rolling out against Markanen and the Bulls. 20 rebounds book it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jake the snake 1,749 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 23 minutes ago, RCRanger03 said: 20 rebounds book it. Can I place $20 on the under please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCRanger03 608 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Depends what odds do you give me on my over? The true over under line would be 13 IMO, but I'm rolling on my 20 reb Capela game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RipCity0 750 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Collins with a block that almost made Markkanen cry and espn gives the block to Muscala... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CB12345 0 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 minute ago, RipCity0 said: Collins with a block that almost made Markkanen cry and espn gives the block to Muscala... Now he has 2 blocks that both haven't been credited.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
subliminal 135 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't really like rookies but this kid is just solid. Sets good screens and has great hands. Schroeder will feed him easy looks all day long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCRanger03 608 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 38 minutes ago, CB12345 said: Now he has 2 blocks that both haven't been credited.. Can we spam ESPN fantasy help line with the video? Giffers get to work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 2,088 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This guy just gobbles rebounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shredded 646 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He's a machine, great start to his career why did he not get those blocks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CB12345 0 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 he got his steal taken away as well, pretty unfortunate, hope the statisticians change it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IsraeliPSYCHO 254 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 stats have been way off this year compared to years past.... i picked up collins as a streamer and will be holding him if he can keep this up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FroButtons 257 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I've counted 2 steals, a block, and an assist taken away so far? Great stat keeping this game. He would be having a monster game. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kippet 31 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 So far today, I've been credited two steals that got taken. Errors mid game are understandable, but that's not even the extent of it. At the end of last week, once wins and losses had already been dealt, they changed some stats and it actually changed the result of a matchup. It's a s--- show rn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Letitbe793 372 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Believe this is the first time hes been in for the end of a game this season...good sign. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCRanger03 608 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He would also have a monster of a game, if they would let him play. Even with their stat stealing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OxyBubbleMan 315 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He's having a hard time boxing out the larger Lopez but he does protect the rim well. Dedmon subbed in for the potential board on their last play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhkim814 910 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Mike Budenholzer seems frustrated after losing to the Bulls lol. No way Delaney and Muscala takes combined 22 fg attempts next game. Collins played decent tonight. But most importantly, Dedmon did not improve in offense. I guarantee Collins is a better perimeter shooter than Dedmon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2013myyear 126 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Watched a good chunk of a couple Hawks games, including tonight's. The kid hustles hard. There were a few instances tonight where his help defense led to turnovers, he sets great screens, he's aggressive in defending the paint, he has quick feet, unlimited energy and a smart shot selection. Given, he is a rookie and makes mistakes/looks lost at times, but he recognizes it right away and adjusts. I remember reading a few scouting reports before the NBA draft and they were pretty consistent on calling him offensively gifted, but a very weak defender. It's great to see that the Hawks' coaching staff seems to have really worked on this part of his game, and even better, the vast improvement he seems to have made. Very excited for the rest of the year, especially the 2nd half. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
adithmuluk 104 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 hours ago, RCRanger03 said: Can we spam ESPN fantasy help line with the video? Giffers get to work! Same thing for me in Yahoo, block not given to my Collins... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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