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11 minutes ago, WahooManiac said:

Nelson Cruz? My gut says no but he's aging really well

He was considered a AAAA player who didn't come up and start I think until he was 29. 

In general, ~60 WAR is what is necessary to start the HOF discussion. 

Utley- 64.1 fWAR

Beltran- 67.9 fWAR

NCruz- 27.3 fWAR

 

Cruz isn't close and likely will drop off the ballot after the first year eligible. 

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Scherzer is a lock to me

 

although he needs to do it about 2 more years

 

CY in both leagues, 5 straight dominant years, could easily surpass 3000 K's

 

by the end of this year, we are talking about a pitcher who has put up 32+ WAR in 5 years

 

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13 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

He was considered a AAAA player who didn't come up and start I think until he was 29. 

In general, ~60 WAR is what is necessary to start the HOF discussion. 

Utley- 64.1 fWAR

Beltran- 67.9 fWAR

NCruz- 27.3 fWAR

 

Cruz isn't close and likely will drop off the ballot after the first year eligible. 

Good call, honestly I had forgotten about the super late start. 

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2 hours ago, BleedRedsRed said:

Miggy, Pujols, Ichiro, Beltre and Kershaw are the only locks in my opinion.

 

These five plus Posey and Beltran.

 

Trout - if his career ended tomorrow would he get in? 

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6 minutes ago, 96mnc said:

 

Trout - if his career ended tomorrow would he get in? 

 

I think absolutely. He'd get the Koufax treatment. 

Trout has over 50 fWAR already in 6 seasons. He's already better than a 6 season peak of Griffey Jr.'s career. He's so great he'd go in with a footnote regarding his short career. But no doubter IMO.

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40 minutes ago, 96mnc said:

 

These five plus Posey and Beltran.

 

Trout - if his career ended tomorrow would he get in? 

 

No doubt Posey has the award resume locked down but I was only mentioning players 10+ years in. He still needs to stay healthy and productive. I love Posey but don't forget after the 2013 season there was a 30 year old franchise catcher with 5 Silver Sluggers, 3 Gold Gloves, 6 All Star games, 3 batting titles and an MVP trophy... the playoff success is definitely a big bonus to his individual sucess but I'm not jumping to conclusions when I refer to a player as a HoF lock. 

 

Regarding Beltran he is a no doubter in my book but it seems like the sub and right around 500 HR guys are having some issues getting in these days. Delgado, Sheffield, McGriff and Gonzalez especially. I think the post season success pushes him over the top eventually but it might take a few voting cycles.

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26 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

 

I think absolutely. He'd get the Koufax treatment. 

Trout has over 50 fWAR already in 6 seasons. He's already better than a 6 season peak of Griffey Jr.'s career. He's so great he'd go in with a footnote regarding his short career. But no doubter IMO.

 

There is a 10 year minimum to be eligible. The most notable victim of this that comes to mind is Thurman Munson.

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34 minutes ago, jdizzle said:

Johnny Damon

Andruw Jones

Chopper Jones

Jamie Moyer 

Scott Rolen

Johan Santana

Jim Thome 

Omar Vizquel

Kenny Lofton

 

Chipper yes, the rest are no's for me.

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2 minutes ago, Travis Burten said:

David Ortiz and Miguel Cabrera are locks. Is Carlos Beltran a lock? 

 

 

 

Ortiz does have the steroid issue to get around. That'll be a hang up for some writers. I think he'll get in, but he may have to wait. 

 

Beltran's not a lock but I think he gets in. 

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24 minutes ago, absknicks said:

 

Ortiz does have the steroid issue to get around. That'll be a hang up for some writers. I think he'll get in, but he may have to wait. 

 

 

 

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Molina is one of the best defensive catchers in the history of the game with good offensive numbers for a catcher. Couple that with 8 gold gloves, 4 platinum gloves, 8 all star appearances and 2 rings so far and it looks like he is well on his way...

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