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7 hours ago, BLINDSIDERS said:

Read yesterday he was "alongside" Lacy. So, 2b to Lacy's 2a. Carson will get time this week and should expose Lacy for what he is, which is not as good as Carson.

that is based on an incorrect reading of the depth chart. the beat writer clarified and said Carson was 4th-string. he will likely need an injury to be able to see field enough to beat out at least one other guy to get enough volume to become startable. if any of the other guys flash or perform well and/or don't get injured, it's hard to see a path to value. 

 

his talent is being way oversold here as well, guy was a backup at Oklahoma State and a 7th round pick, he's not Joe Mixon or McCaffrey (neither of which seem to be beating out "less-talented" backs)

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7 hours ago, whoopsie said:

 

Prosise will never be the lead back. His body can't handle it.

based on one or two injuries? people are way too quick to disregard players as sure injuries early in their career. it usually doesn't stick, Prosise is only marginally more likely to get hurt than carson, if at all

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1 hour ago, oliminator123 said:

Uh oh he's not on StuPitt's radar! Everyone drop! :lol:

You go right ahead and take him.  HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK from this years draft.  He is behind 3 guys who have had moderate success in the NFL.  You go ahead and take him...and while you are at it add Christine Michael and last years sensation Zach Zenner.  Pete Carroll would never go with a 7th round rookie guy over 3 vets.  Seattle aint the Browns or Jets.  They have high hopes for this season.  You'll be lucky to get one good game out of Carson.

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Just now, StuPitt said:

You go right ahead and take him.  HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK from this years draft.  He is behind 3 guys who have had moderate success in the NFL.  You go ahead and take him...and while you are at it add Christine Michael and last years sensation Zach Zenner.  Pete Carroll would never go with a 7th round rookie guy over 3 vets.  Seattle aint the Browns or Jets.  They have high hopes for this season.  You'll be lucky to get one good game out of Carson.

 

7th round pick doesn't mean much. Lots of late round RBs do just fine.

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7 hours ago, mikeflavaz said:

Why do you believe Rawls has upside is the real question?

 

is this serious? what does Carson offer that Rawls doesn't? Rawls is also currently the starter, Carson has 3 players he needs to pass to take over, capping his upside. Rawls ran for 161 yards in a playoff game last season, and just 2 years ago had a 169 and 209 yard game. he has 6 career 100-yard games in the NFL, Chris Carson had 1 career 100 yard games in the defense optional Big 12. the coaching staff currently rates the 7th round rookie as their 4th back and the 3rd year player with a history of huge games the starter. the fact people are acting like Carson has more upside than a guy 3 backs ahead of him is bananas. I understand liking Carson but it's silly to not immediately move him for Rawls if you can

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9 minutes ago, StuPitt said:

You go right ahead and take him.  HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK from this years draft.  He is behind 3 guys who have had moderate success in the NFL.  You go ahead and take him...and while you are at it add Christine Michael and last years sensation Zach Zenner.  Pete Carroll would never go with a 7th round rookie guy over 3 vets.  Seattle aint the Browns or Jets.  They have high hopes for this season.  You'll be lucky to get one good game out of Carson.

Three guys with moderate success who NOW have a problem of staying healthy.  Where he was drafted means nothing. A lot of guys get drafted late or not at all and go on to produce. And produce well. Your argument here is that BECAUSE he was a 7th round pick that he will do nothing and that is just silly. PC has shown that he has no problem playing under the radar guys. I think he is an obvious stash considering who is above him and their health problems. Carson looked the best back playing with the 1's. 

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10 minutes ago, StuPitt said:

You go right ahead and take him.  HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK from this years draft.  He is behind 3 guys who have had moderate success in the NFL.  You go ahead and take him...and while you are at it add Christine Michael and last years sensation Zach Zenner.  Pete Carroll would never go with a 7th round rookie guy over 3 vets.  Seattle aint the Browns or Jets.  They have high hopes for this season.  You'll be lucky to get one good game out of Carson.

Fail to see how the round you were drafted matters at all. He was drafted, he impressed in preseason, and he made the team. At this point, that is all that matters. Rookies have to get a start somewhere, right? Otherwise they would never play.

 

Moderate success is playing a couple of games in a season? That's low success if you ask me. Doesn't matter if they are successful: if you are injured, you cannot play. All it takes is a Rawls injury, and continued mediocrity from Lacy and Carson has a chance. And all he has to do is prove himself capable.

 

Just now, hines said:

 

is this serious? what does Carson offer that Rawls doesn't? Rawls is also currently the starter, Carson has 3 players he needs to pass to take over, capping his upside. Rawls ran for 161 yards in a playoff game last season, and just 2 years ago had a 169 and 209 yard game. he has 6 career 100-yard games in the NFL, Chris Carson had 1 career 100 yard games in the defense optional Big 12

Rawls also can't be trusted to stay healthy. Apart from those 2 games you quoted in 2015, he was average (at best). Those games were against the 49ers (29th ranked run defense) and Bears (23rd ranked run defense).  

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18 minutes ago, StuPitt said:

You go right ahead and take him.  HE WAS A 7TH ROUND PICK from this years draft.  He is behind 3 guys who have had moderate success in the NFL.  You go ahead and take him...and while you are at it add Christine Michael and last years sensation Zach Zenner.  Pete Carroll would never go with a 7th round rookie guy over 3 vets.  Seattle aint the Browns or Jets.  They have high hopes for this season.  You'll be lucky to get one good game out of Carson.

 

Rawls was a rookie UDFA when he took the job in 2015 and was behind Lynch, Turbin, and Fred Jackson. 

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I've owned all 4 Seattle RBs at one point or another this preseason, and eventually came to the same conclusion every time. None of them will be consistent enough to start confidently in any given week, even if one or two are injured. Therefore, it makes little sense to roster any of them.  I'd rather use that spot on a player with a clearer path to consistent usage, or bigger upside.

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7 hours ago, oliminator123 said:

Fail to see how the round you were drafted matters at all. He was drafted, he impressed in preseason, and he made the team. At this point, that is all that matters. Rookies have to get a start somewhere, right? Otherwise they would never play.

 

Moderate success is playing a couple of games in a season? That's low success if you ask me. Doesn't matter if they are successful: if you are injured, you cannot play. All it takes is a Rawls injury, and continued mediocrity from Lacy and Carson has a chance. And all he has to do is prove himself capable.

 

Rawls also can't be trusted to stay healthy. Apart from those 2 games you quoted in 2015, he was average (at best). Those games were against the 49ers (29th ranked run defense) and Bears (23rd ranked run defense).  

 

you are now disregarding enormous games Rawls has had in an attempt to make the 4th-string back seem like he has a bigger upside than the guy who has done it in the past, and the team has seen enough to make him the starter again. it's just absurd now. Rawls is the starter, Rawls has a track record of NFL success, Rawls has more upside. Carson needs to pass at least 2 players to get the shot Rawls has now

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8 minutes ago, BLINDSIDERS said:

Three guys with moderate success who NOW have a problem of staying healthy.  Where he was drafted means nothing. A lot of guys get drafted late or not at all and go on to produce. And produce well. Your argument here is that BECAUSE he was a 7th round pick that he will do nothing and that is just silly. PC has shown that he has no problem playing under the radar guys. I think he is an obvious stash considering who is above him and their health problems. Carson looked the best back playing with the 1's. 

No it is not silly.  It is a very good indicator.  Go ahead.  You and Seattle Seahawk Management will be the only people not wrong about this guy.  When he becomes the next Walter Payton maybe the NFL will come to you for a talent scout position.

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3 minutes ago, hines said:

 

you are now disregarding enormous games Rawls has had in an attempt to make the 4th-string back seem like he has a bigger upside than the guy who has done it in the past, and the team has seen enough to make him the starter again. it's just absurd now. Rawls is the starter, Rawls has a track record of NFL success, Rawls has more upside. Carson needs to pass at least 2 players to get the shot Rawls has now

 

But, but, but, what if rawles gets hurt?

 

 

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1 minute ago, StuPitt said:

No it is not silly.  It is a very good indicator.  Go ahead.  You and Seattle Seahawk Management will be the only people not wrong about this guy.  When he becomes the next Walter Payton maybe the NFL will come to you for a talent scout position.

So where you were drafted says it all then, according to you? Antonio Brown, Tom Brady, Richard Sherman, and Brandon Marshall all say "Thanks for hating on me!" Because according to you, they sucked and should have never been on the field.

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11 minutes ago, hines said:

 

you are now disregarding enormous games Rawls has had in an attempt to make the 4th-string back seem like he has a bigger upside than the guy who has done it in the past, and the team has seen enough to make him the starter again. it's just absurd now. Rawls is the starter, Rawls has a track record of NFL success, Rawls has more upside. Carson needs to pass at least 2 players to get the shot Rawls has now

Please do me a favor and take a look at Rawls' game log. He's had 3-4 major blips, and the rest is mediocrity (including almost half a dozen games where he barely managed 3.0 YPC). It's easy to disregard his "enormous games". Remember when Jerome Harrison had 3 games ending 2009 (33/127/1 & 39/148/1 & 34/286/3)? Doesn't mean anything. You cannot call Rawls proven at all because he has a gigantic question mark from injuries, and aside from 3-4 games, he has been average (at best).

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