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6 hours ago, mbroo5880i said:

Using the blog writer's logic, Kevin Love, KAT, Al Horford, etc. are just role players.  Kevin, KAT and Al are all being asked to do less than they are capable of.  Carrying it a step further,  even Stephen Curry is a role player.  Role players are generally considered to be players who fill a niche not a player who is third on the team in scoring, second in rebounding,  3rd in FGA, 3rd in FTA, and 1st in blocks as a starter.  I understand what he is trying to say but the blog writer is misguided in applying the term "role" player.

 

I agree to an extent but I think what you're missing here is the context in which the term is being used.  The entire reason for discussing all this is Turner's potential and the expectation that Turner would be more than what he was last season.  I posted the end of the previously posted article but I think the key is the part in bold:

 

" While Myles Turner may be treated as a role player in the Pacers offense, the potential is clearly there for Turner to do more if called upon. It’d be wise to remember how much better Oladipo and Sabonis look in their new roles with more responsibility compared to their mediocre seasons last year when they weren’t asked to do nearly as much for the Thunder. Sometimes, it’s more about what the coach asks a player to do than what that player is actually capable of. "

 

So yeah I can see why, when using the blog writer's logic, you could stretch the term out to include guys like KLove, KAT, Horford, etc and consider them 'role players' in the same way some are considering Turner a role player now, however look at the output of all those guys and the expectations for them in fantasy.  

- Love is a 17+/10 guy and people knew it drafting him.  

- KAT is a 20/10 efficiency monster and people expected that drafting him.

- Horford contributes evenly across the cats and people expected that, and so on and so forth.

You can call Curry a role player if you want but the fact is his numbers are right in line, if not better than what people were expecting from him.  

  

There-in lies the rub.  The expectations for Turner was for him to take another step in his development and put up better numbers than last season.  He hasn't done that (yet).

 

I said it in an earlier post but the disappointment from people in this thread is due to the fact that 1. He was drafted with the expectation he would develop and fill some of the void that PG left, and 2. a lot of people picked Turner ahead of breakout guys who are taking the leap whereas Turner is just doing what he did last season.

His production now is his floor and as far as a fantasy player's production goes his floor is pretty damn handy.  It's just annoying to see Oladipo turn into PG 2.0 and absolutely destroy his ADP and at the same time not seeing Turner become the player he can be.

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People drafted Myles expecting more, which is understandable. He's been similar to last season. Third season, without PG, everyone expected more, hence his 2nd round draft position. 

 

However, I don't think anyone expected Oladipo to breakout like this and he has earned being the man on the team.

 

With all that said, Myles is starting to pick it up. I hope he continues progressing. I'm happy with how he's doing the past few weeks. 

 

Last season after the all star break, he really regressed, especially toward playoff time. Hopefully he breaks through that wall. 

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Personally i dont mind Turner being the 2nd best player on his team. As long as he is producing top20 to top25 value i dont mind him being the worst player on his team, i dont mind him being a franchise player a role player or a veteran 3pt specialist. BTW Pacers' last 1155345435425435243 possessions on offense vs the Nuggets were pick 'n rolls with Dipo exploiting the missmatch that Turner had on Harris in the switch or an open look in the 3pt arc for Dipo when Nuggets decided not to switch. They also used pick and pops which left Turner open for three with the sweetest stroke i have ever seen in a big guy (love that high arcing jumper as well). They had great chemistry together and i hope it wasnt just a match up tactic. Say what you want about being bitter for not owning dipo instead of Turner but he is not hurting him at all. On the contrary Dipo gets so much attention when he has the ball that helps Turner to take high percentage looks. If Dipo wasnt on the team this year Turner's offense might be ugly to watch especially if he had to create constantly his own shot. 

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6 minutes ago, Manos A said:

Personally i dont mind Turner being the 2nd best player on his team. As long as he is producing top20 to top25 value i dont mind him being the worst player on his team, i dont mind him being a franchise player a role player or a veteran 3pt specialist. BTW Pacers' last 1155345435425435243 possessions on offense vs the Nuggets were pick 'n rolls with Dipo exploiting the missmatch that Turner had on Harris in the switch or an open look in the 3pt arc for Dipo when Nuggets decided not to switch. They also used pick and pops which left Turner open for three with the sweetest stroke i have ever seen in a big guy (love that high arcing jumper as well). They had great chemistry together and i hope it wasnt just a match up tactic. Say what you want about being bitter for not owning dipo instead of Turner but he is not hurting him at all. On the contrary Dipo gets so much attention when he has the ball that helps Turner to take high percentage looks. If Dipo wasnt on the team this year Turner's offense might be ugly to watch especially if he had to create constantly his own shot. 

I agree. 

 

The only thing you could say it "hurts" are his amount of shots. And even so I don't expect him to shoot 15+ a game fg% wouldn't be nice.... A 16ppg/6-8-9rpg/2bpg on effecient shooting would be great.

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9 minutes ago, ejaggit said:

I agree. 

 

The only thing you could say it "hurts" are his amount of shots. And even so I don't expect him to shoot 15+ a game fg% wouldn't be nice.... A 16ppg/6-8-9rpg/2bpg on effecient shooting would be great.

Does it hurt though? This mofo is 1st!! in the most scarce category of fantasy, that is enough reason for me to forgive him about anything else. I should expect an uptick in his usage as the season goes on, the concussion thing got him really off trail but he seems more comfortable now. As for the owners that drafted him expecting a guy averaging 22-24 points pg (obviously that aint happening) and now they are complaining about their pick let me say this. NEXT YEAR GET GRIFFIN WITH YOUR 2ND ROUND PICK AND LEAVE TURNER FOR OTHERS.

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lol this thread is an endless loop

 

happy owners: he doesn't hurt you anywhere and leads the league in blocks! 

 

unhappy: he hasn't lived up to his ADP, far behind dipo and fighting for touches with the likes of thad young, and rebounds like he's stuck in quick sand. 

 

Like others and I have mentioned, he's going to put up prime Ibaka stats. Floor - those ugly 11 pt, 6-7reb games. Ceiling - Hits a couple more shots and you see those 20pt, 8-10ish reb games. I don't see his shot volume going up during the season, so he'll be a mixed bag with points and settle around 15-16ppg on decent %'s. 

 

I like the blocks, but it's not like he's prime ben wallace or theo ratliff. They've been nice, but KP isn't too far behind (while providing other elite cats). 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, #coco said:

 

I like the blocks, but it's not like he's prime ben wallace or theo ratliff. They've been nice, but KP isn't too far behind (while providing other elite cats). 

 

 

Totally, that's why I picked up Kendrick Perkins too. :)
 

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36 minutes ago, #coco said:

I like the blocks, but it's not like he's prime ben wallace or theo ratliff. They've been nice, but KP isn't too far behind (while providing other elite cats). 

 

 

 

I don't think we'll see Cs put up the block numbers like Ratliff, Wallace, Camby, etc did 10+ years ago at least not during this generation.  These days anything close to a 2.5 block average is good enough for you to lead the league.  It's all about that perimeter game.

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19 hours ago, ComeOnAndSlam said:

 

I don't think we'll see Cs put up the block numbers like Ratliff, Wallace, Camby, etc did 10+ years ago at least not during this generation.  These days anything close to a 2.5 block average is good enough for you to lead the league.  It's all about that perimeter game.

True. Folks were swatting upwards of 10+ blocks in those days. Nowadays 4 blocks is something to behold :mellow:

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10 hours ago, meteorya said:

Many expected close to top20 or better as I am. Top30 difference. Prime Ibaka, but he was 3rd player in a team. Dipo better scorer, but why Turner still adjusting or really fall to role player.

He's not a role player. He's 3rd on the team in usage, behind Oladipo and Sabonis (who's playing his minutes off the bench with guys like Cory Joseph, Lance and TJ Leaf who have null offensive games). What is wrong with you people? Take your alternative facts elsewhere.

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39 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

He's not a role player. He's 3rd on the team in usage, behind Oladipo and Sabonis (who's playing his minutes off the bench with guys like Cory Joseph, Lance and TJ Leaf who have null offensive games). What is wrong with you people? Take your alternative facts elsewhere.

 

It's really just semantics. He's not a role player in the sense that he's given decent minutes and expected to produce on both ends of the course. But, beating a dead horse here, he's averaging only around 11fga for this season, and the most shots he's taken in a game is 16. He's a pnr jump shooting center, so if he's not hitting at a 60% clip, you'll get those mediocre offensive games.  "Role players" like Klove can contribute in volumes (scoring, threes, rebounding) that'll actually shift your teams winning vantage.

 

I like that he's showing more consistency after the concussion. People just expected him to step up from last year's averages. We finished here?

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Turner is not a role player.

 

His usage is just not high enough for many (me) who have expected more due to PG13 leaving and rotoworld hyping him up. His stats look very similar to last season's which is still very beneficial although not top 20 worthy (yet). 

 

Except for Oladipo, everyone is pretty much sharing the ball. Do I think Turner will improve? Yeh but not by much. He can improve his efficiency a bit but usage is divided with the rest of players and the team is performing well. 

 

Turner is not a role player and he certainly has chance to hit top 20. Punt assists and his value rises even more with Turner increasing his 3s.

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2 minutes ago, Xmantt said:

im surprised this doesn't have the hot tag w/ several owners rants

 

 

I mean it is depressing how he's 3/11... I'm fine with a 16/9 on solid shooting percentages... but this? Minus the blocks it's been very disappointing.. (as usual) lol

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He is ranked 32nd for the year in 8 cat.

However, if you ignore the blocks he's at 111!!!

Just shows where most of his value comes... was hoping for more then a specialist who also seems to be shooting 3s and watching while dipo hoists up 26 shots while connecting on 9 of them

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