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The Treacherous Three - Adding 3's while staying competitive in FG%


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Looking at three pointers today, and I'll include another stat which often shows correlation with long range shooting: field goal percentage.

 

As usual, let's look at some historical data and trends. I've filtered out player's seasons where they played 20 games or less.

 

We all know the league has been gravitating towards more 3pt shooting over the past few years. Where PF's used to be big bruisers, they now need to be agile with 3pt range, and will thus be asked to defend long-range shooters as well. I miss the Oakley's and the Kevin Willis's, but it is what it is. We're stuck with Ryan Anderson and Channing Frye. In this overview, I've taken a core of the top 156 ranked players for each season (13 team, 14 roster spots), in 9 cat systems, unless stated otherwise. Data goes back up to 03-04, again, unless stated otherwise.

 

Average amount of 3pm for Top 156:

 

03 - 04: 0.82

04 - 05: 0.85

05 - 06: 0.89

06 - 07: 0.92

07 - 08: 0.95

08 - 09: 0.95

09 - 10: 0.88

10 - 11: 0.86

11 - 12: 0.88

12 - 13: 0.95

13 - 14: 1.07

14 - 15: 1.00

15 - 16: 1.11

16 - 17: 1.30

 

Confirmation of what we all knew: threes exploded last season.

 

A closer look at the average production per position for 03-04 compared to last season reveals the following info:

 

PG average 1.20 vs 1.79

SG average 1.34 vs 1.81

SF average 0.83 vs 1.55

PF average 0.42 vs 1.00

C average 0.04 vs 0.42

 

Where PG and SG 'only' have only shown 49% and 35% growth, respectively, since 03-04, the biggest changes have been at PF and C. Going by last year's stats, your statistical needs per position should at least outweigh the following averages:

PG 1.79

SG 1.81

SF 1.55

PF 1.00

C 0.42

 

If you're planning to win a cat, and your players are below average at one position, you'll need to make it up with another one.

 

Steph Curry averaged an amazing amount of 4.10 3pm this past season, which is still a full 3pm below his 15-16 averages. He hit 78 more of them in 15-16 than he did last year. Either way, those are incredible numbers. We've all seen the stories about him and Klay ruling the 3pt charts in NBA history.

 

Just a quick reminder: Steph Curry is the only one to hit more than 300 3pt in a season (324 last year, 402 in 15-16). Top 5 for totals ranks as follows:

 

1. Curry 402 (15-16, 79 games)

2. Curry 324 (16-17, 79 games)

3. Curry 286 (14-15, 80 games)

4. Klay 276 (15-16, 80 games)

5. Curry 272 (12-13, 78 games)

 

Ray Allen is 6th with a 269 season. After that Klay (268), Dennis Scott (267), Harden (2262, last year) and Curry (261, 13-14). Even when considering how the game has changed, that's crazy. No players, other than Klay and Curry, have ever averaged more than 3.5 3pm per game. Before 14-15 only one guy ever attempted more than 8.5 threes a game, George McCloud (8.6), but he 'only' hit 3.3 of those, still top 10. Since the 14-15 campaign, it has happened five times, four of them last season.

 

In NBA history, there have been 21 occurrences where a player averaged 3 or more 3pm per game over the course of a season, 15 of those came after the 12-13 season, 8 of them are by either Klay or Steph. Dennis Scott and George McCloud have been the only ones to ever hit more than 3 threes a game over the course of a season before 2000.

 

Over the entire history of the league up to 2013-2014, there have been 245 instances of a player averaging 2+ threes per game, since then, it's been done 100 times. Simply put, the game has changed.

 

And what average topped the league?

Season   Player   3P   FG%
2016-17  -  Stephen Curry  -  4.1  -  0.468
2015-16  -  Stephen Curry  -  5.1  -  0.504
2014-15  -  Stephen Curry  -  3.6  -  0.487
2013-14  -  Stephen Curry  -  3.3  -  0.471
2012-13  -  Stephen Curry  -  3.5  -  0.451
2011-12  -  Ryan Anderson  -  2.7  -  0.439
2010-11  -  Jason Richardson  -  2.4  -  0.447
2009-10  -  Aaron Brooks  -  2.5  -  0.432
2008-09  -  Rashard Lewis  -  2.8  -  0.439
2007-08  -  Jason Richardson  -  3  -  0.441
2006-07  -  Ray Allen  -  3  -  0.438
2005-06  -  Ray Allen  -  3.4  -  0.454
2004-05  -  Quentin Richardson  -  2.9  -  0.389
2003-04  -  Peja Stojakovic  -  3  -  0.48
2002-03  -  Ray Allen  -  2.6  -  0.439
2001-02  -  Ray Allen  -  3.3  -  0.462
2000-01  -  Antoine Walker  -  2.7  -  0.413
1999-00  -  Gary Payton  -  2.2  -  0.448
1998-99  -  Dee Brown  -  2.8  -  0.378
1997-98  -  Wesley Person  -  2.3  -  0.46
1996-97  -  Mookie Blaylock  -  2.8  -  0.432
1995-96  -  George McCloud  -  3.3  -  0.414
1994-95  -  Tim Hardaway  -  2.7  -  0.427
1993-94  -  Dan Majerle  -  2.4  -  0.418
1992-93  -  Dan Majerle  -  2  -  0.464
1991-92  -  Vernon Maxwell  -  2  -  0.413
1990-91  -  Michael Adams  -  2.5  -  0.394

 

Top totals per year:

Season        Player        3P
2016-17 - Stephen Curry - 324
2015-16 - Stephen Curry - 402
2014-15 - Stephen Curry - 286
2013-14 - Stephen Curry - 261
2012-13 - Stephen Curry - 272
2011-12 - Ryan Anderson - 166
2010-11 - Dorell Wright - 194
2009-10 - Aaron Brooks - 209
2008-09 - Rashard Lewis - 220
2007-08 - Jason Richardson - 243
2006-07 - Raja Bell & Gilbert Arenas - 205
2005-06 - Ray Allen - 269
2004-05 - Quentin Richardson & Kyle Korver - 226
2003-04 - Peja Stojakovic - 240
2002-03 - Ray Allen - 201
2001-02 - Ray Allen - 229
2000-01 - Antoine Walker - 221
1999-00 - Gary Payton* - 177
1998-99 - Dee Brown - 135
1997-98 - Wesley Person - 192
1996-97 - Reggie Miller* - 229
1995-96 - Dennis Scott - 267
1994-95 - John Starks - 217
1993-94 - Dan Majerle - 192
1992-93 - Reggie Miller & Dan Majerle - 167
1991-92 - Vernon Maxwell - 162
1990-91 - Vernon Maxwell - 172
1989-90 - Michael Adams - 158
1988-89 - Michael Adams - 166
1987-88 - Danny Ainge - 148

 

As mentioned before, I want to include the influence this focus on long-range shooting has on our FG%. Comparing the 53 players who hit 2+ threes between 09 and 13 (53 players) with the 2+ club after 13 (100) shows that the FG% and 3pt% are almost identical:

 

FG%: 43.6 vs 43.0

3pt%: 39.5 vs 37.4

 

Per position the average FG% for the top 156 ranked players looks like this, when compared to 03-04:

 

PG: 0.42% vs 0.45%

SG: 0.43% vs 0.45%

SF: 0.44% vs 0.46%

PF: 0.46% vs 0.47%

C: 0.49% vs 0.55%

 

Taking into consideration how much the amount of 3pt attempts has grown, and seeing how FG%'s have actually been higher in recent years is pretty cool to see.

 

Selecting players for your team who will average an above amount of 3pm for their respective positions, combined with them being above average in FG% is a huge step in trying to win your league.

 

Below is a list of players, by position, who rank above average in both categories:

 

PG:

Stephen Curry 47% FG, 4.10 3pm

Chris Paul 48% FG, 2.03 3pm

Isaiah Thomas 46% FG, 3.22 3pm

Kyle Lowry 47% FG, 3.22 3pm

Mike Conley 46% FG, 2.48 3pm

George Hill 48% FG, 1.92 3pm

 

SG:

CJ McCollum 48% FG, 2.31 3pm

Bradley Beal 48% FG, 2.90 3pm

Klay Thompson 47% FG, 3.44 3pm

Gary Harris 50% FG, 1.88 3pm

Zach LaVine 46% FG, 2.55 3pm

Avery Bradley 46% FG, 1.96 3pm

Seth Curry 48% FG, 1.96 3pm

Jordan Crawford 48% FG, 1.95 3pm

Tim Hardaway Jr 46% FG, 1.89 3pm

 

SF:

Kevin Durant 54% FG, 1.89 3pm

Kawhi Leonard 49% FG, 1.99 3pm

LeBron James 55% FG, 1.68 3pm

Otto Porter 51% FG, 1.85 3pm

Gordon Hayward 47% FG, 2.04 3pm

Kyle Korver 47% FG, 2.42 3pm

Allen Crabbe 47% FG, 1.70 3pm

 

PF:

Serge Ibaka 48% FG, 1.57 3pm

James Johnson 48% FG, 1.14 3pm

 

C:

Nikola Jokic 58% FG, 0.62 3pm

 

Those were the players you probably saw on teams winning both 3's and FG last season.

 

On the other hand, these guys hurt both 3pm AND FG at the same time:

 

PG:

Eric Bledsoe 43% FG, 1.58 3pm

Jeff Teague 44% FG, 1.10 3pm

Ricky Rubio 40% FG, 0.80 3pm

Patrick Beverley 42% FG, 1.64 3pm

Jeremy Lin 44% FG, 1.61 3pm

Marcus Smart 36% FG, 1.19 3pm

Rajon Rondo 41% FG, 0.72 3pm

Yogi Ferrell 41% FG, 1.48 3pm

 

SG:

Dwyane Wade 43% FG, 0.75 3pm

Tyler Johnson 43% FG, 1.27 3pm

Danny Green 39% FG, 1.74 3pm

Josh Richardson 40%FG, 1.42 3pm

Garrett Temple 42% FG, 1.26 3pm

Kent Bazemore 41% FG, 1.26 3pm

 

SF:

Rudy Gay 45% FG, 1.40 3pm

Andrew Wiggins 45% FG, 1.26 3pm

Will Barton 44% FG, 1.45 3pm

Thabo Sefolosha 44% FG, 0.66 3pm

PJ Tucker 41% FG, 0.86 3pm

DeMarre Carroll 40% FG, 1.51 3pm

 

PF:

Markieff Morris 46% FG, 0.93 3pm

Aaron Gordon 45% FG, 0.96 3pm

 

C:

Nikola Vucevic 47% FG, 0.31 3pm

Greg Monroe 53% FG, 0.00 3pm

Andre Drummond 53% FG, 0.02 3pm (remember when he was somewhat of a FG anchor?)

Mason Plumlee 53% FG, 0.00 3pm

Robin Lopez 49% FG, 0.00 3pm

Kyle O'Quinn 52% FG, 0.03 3pm

John Henson 51% FG, 0.00 3pm

 

One thing I need to make clear here, I'm not saying these guys listed above are useless. Just don't draft/trade for them if you want to shore up your 3pt/FG%. Most of them are top 156 because they're strong in other cats, and sometimes are just below average in 3PT/FG. In a specific situation, I'd suggest taking a look at these players case-by-case and seeing if they didn't just have a down year in 16-17.

 

It's also good to keep in mind that some managers will try to bring in a Lopez, Drummond, Monroe or even a Kanter (not listed because right at C average for FG%), to help them in their FG% category, but these players either don't move the needle (low volumes) or even hurt you there, compared to other centers. Bringing in a Lopez instead of an Al-Farouq Aminu if you need FG% and some hustle stats, obviously makes some sense.

 

Some top-notch players like KAT, Harden, Lillard and Walker are just a few FG% points shy of making the FG%/3pm club, and they could very well be included next season. They're obviously not listed among my sleepers, but could be sneaky contributors in such cats.

 

My (DEEP) sleeper picks for good FG% + plenty of 3's:

Patty Mills - Added touches and minutes with Parker out, will results in more threes (1.84 per game), but might not help hi improve his 44% FG to the league average of 45%.

Malcolm Brogdon - Good FG%, but should hit more threes. Not sure if attainable with Redd back and Snell improving a bit. Maybe Vaughn even shows signs of life. However, I'm relying on Brogdon improving after an impressive but somewhat boring (love that) rookie campaign. Hit 1.3 threes post AS break.

Lonzo Ball - Hate the hype, but he has a chance to surpass the PG benchmarks as a rookie. Don't see any other rookie doing it this season.

Dennis Schroder - Now the leader of the Hawks, he should see quite a bit more threes (1.27 last season). FG% could suffer, though, and watch out for those TO's.

Jeremy Lin - Never been a huge fan, but he only needs small improvements to both FFG% and 3pm to make the list. Should improve a bit this season, with health and a defined role on team.

Jamal Murray - Will have to improve his FG% quite a bit, but has the talent to make a mark here (not a ****stain like Mudiay did).

Jerian Grant - Not too high on him, but has some tools. Could be sneaky pickup as the season progresses. It's not like he's totally roadblocked either.

D'Angelo Russell - His shot selection has been weak and should improve by quite a bit, from 40% to 45%, in order for him to be a good influence on both 3pm and FG%. It's a bet that could pay off big time.

Jrue Holiday - Always an injury concern, but he's still rather young and now playing off-guard with a great playmaker next to him, and two big men drawing defenders away from him. I expect him to average 2 threes and surpass 45% fg.

Tony Snell - Developed well with the Bucks, shooting just under 46% FG and hitting 1.8 threes a game. Goes undrafted in many league, but shouldn't. Improved a lot over the course of last season, and contributes in steals while not hurting your TO's. Low key one of my favorite sleepers this season.

Allen Crabbe - Dealing with injury at this moment, but he's a great sneaky source of FG+3pm combo.

Evan Fournier - Didn't have the year I expected him to have. Loved it when I had him and Gary Harris as shooting guards a year ago, both chipped in good FG% and 3's.

Jordan Clarkson - Only listing him because he's been rather close to the benchmarks I'm using. Playing with Ball could hem him surpass those, but just not a fan of his fantasy output.

Josh Richardson - I'm going to act like 16-17 didn't happen. He's a good source for FG, 3pm AND hustle stats! Should have a good sophomore season if he can find his way to 24+ minutes a night!

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Always had troubles with his FG%, but playing with Ball could have a good influence on him.

JJ Redick - His ranking and ADP have me wondering why people think he'll totally fall off. He's been fantastic with the Clippers, even when CP didn't play. He's got a few good years left in him, and will see a good number of minutes with the Sixers. Expect him to put up numbers close to his career averages there. They absolutely need his shooting.

Eric Gordon - CP and EG. I'm GIDDDY!

Tim Hardaway - I feel he's been underrated because 1. He was with the Knicks, 2. He's gotten paid too much by the Knicks. He's a decent player with lots of room to improve. He'll surpass .45FG if he doesn't start doing crazy stuff.

Gary Harris - My favorite SG in the league. Does everything well, but has yet to take that next step to garner the respect he deserves. Always been an amazing source of FG% at SG. Only players to average 1.7 or more 3's and a FG over 50%? Otto Porter, Durant, Lebron and Gary Harris. KAT is close but only hits 1.2 threes.

Seth Curry  - Probably underrated because of him being compared to his brother all the time. I'll take this production around the 9th round anytime.

Alex Abrines - Love his talent, and he could pass the benchmarks for SG this season. OKC needs some depth and shooting, and Abrines will get a decent number of minutes.

Buddy Hield - I think he meets the benchmarks this year. Was close already last season.

Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot          - Still a few years away, so only for dynasty purposes, but take a look at those games in the last months of 2016-2017! He's got loads of talent, but is still learning the basics of the game.

Norman Powell - Lots of hype for him, and he did well in games he started. Just think Toronto prefers him coming off the bench. I'll mention him as a future target, or if something changes in Toronto, but far away from hitting enough 3's to be considered.

Patrick McCaw - Will he see minutes? Will GSW play him to keep Shaun and Iggy fresh for the playoffs? If so, decent chance he'll produce a bit. You'll have to wait until Klay's gone for him to really step it up, though. Won't meet benchmarks for SG anytime soon.

Wayne Selden - I can see him grab a starting spot in Memphis. He was a pretty good 3pt shooter in college (not a good FT shooter, though), and if you ignore the 3/21 3pt shooting with Memphis last year, there could be something here. Rooting for him.

Will Barton - Always a bench player, but also always that guy who'll step right in when starters are injured and put up a string of top 30 games.

Andrew Wiggins - Man, this guy is being over drafted and overrated. Yet, if you're looking at guys who could surpass the benchmark this season, he's one of them.

Wilson Chandler - Starter in Denver and always been that smart pick I never made because I somewhat expected him to last another round. I like his chances at a very good season. Also dislike his chances at getting injured. Or finding a free spot for another tattoo.

Jae Crowder - Probably, and I'm going out on a limb here, could be looking at a bench role in Cleveland. Doesn't matter, he'll contribute and he'll be good. Should up his FG a bit.

Joe Ingles - He'll be really good this season. Was one of the best, if not best, players at open practice yesterday and seems to have added some to his game over the summer. Could be one of the leading scorers for Utah (as could I).

Terrence Ross - He is what he is. Hezonja could be demanding some minutes this year, as well. Desperation add, but a good desperation add.

James Johnson - Guy is so underrated, I'm listing him in every topic I've done so far.

C.J. Miles - Starter at SF in Toronto, always been a good source of threes, and should see more minutes and open looks than he saw last season. Nice waiver wire pickup for those looking to fill a last spot.

Cedi Osman - I know, I said I didn’t expect any rookies to surpass the positional benchmarks this season. But if the Cavs make another move, and trade Osman, he's a guy who has a chance to do so.

Bojan Bogdanovic - Starter in Indiana. Should've been GRIII, but here we are. Bojan can shoot, and score. Not betting on his FG% ever getting to benchmark levels, though. I'ma sleep on him.

Doug McDermott - He's a shooter and he chooses his spots. Just not sure if the Knicks are his spot. Could develop into a Korver type. Could also be seeing his last NBA contract as we speak.

Dante Cunningham - Signed up to be their starter at SF. Playing with Boogie and Davis downlow and Holiday and Rondo being playmakers, expect a whole lot of open looks for Dante.  I think he's one of the most interesting players currently flying under the radar.

Davis Bertans - Pop loves him, and hates him. Minutes fluctuate as much as his focus on the defensive end. If he puts it together, he could be one of those deadly bench threats. Who don't rebound at all, but that’s for another topic.

Maurice Harkless - Doesn't hit a lot of threes, but let’s not forget he's the same age as some rookies. His game is developing, and he could become the answer for the Blazers at SF. Too inconsistent, still.

Denzel Valentine - FG was bad last season, but he came on over the last few months. Has the size, shot and skills to be a much better player than what he's shown so far.

Sam Dekker - Gallo will miss some games this season, as well Griffin. Good chance Dekker will step right in.

Kelly Oubre - Will start the season at SF, with Porter at PF and Morris possible behind bars, or at pre-occupied. Great shooter and strong player, could give opposing SF's some fits. Also love that he plays gritty defense.

Jaylen Brown - Huge talent, but crowded Boston roster could make it hard to carve out a role on offense. Will get some good looks, but might not be able to hit those 1.4 threes a game.

Taurean Prince - Didn’t show up in SL, but has the talent, size, and tools to be a swiss army knife. 1/1/1 with good percentages is attainable.

Juan Hernangomez - I believe in this guy's talent. Should get a lot of open looks with Murray, Harris, Jokic and Milsapp on the team. Will he be able to get 24+ minutes a game?

Julius Randle - In best shape of career, and even though he might not be a great match with Brook and Ball, he's still a great talent. Like mentioned before, I expect him to get moved to another team, but I also expect him to shoot a few more threes this season. Comparing his 0.23 3's per game to the PF average of 1.00 per game seems like he has a long way to go, but he'll also play a lot of C, might become eligible there as well. The average for C's has been 0.43 last season, which seems more realistic for Randle. He only started shooting more threes late in the season as well.

Harrison Barnes - Just .01 below PF average for 3pm and right at PF average for FG%. I see him improving a bit, and because he barely puts up any peripheral stats, he'll be of less value, and thus under drafted, by many.

Aaron Gordon - Didn’t you just list him with the guys who hurt both FG% and 3pm? Yup, but over the last few months of the season, he jumper to 50% FG and 0.9 3pm, with 1.7 3pm in April. He's got talent, and playing at his natural position will only enable him to put up better stats.

Kelly Olynyk - Playing with Whiteside should help his game a bit, as he can now roam the perimeter a bit more. He should be a typical good FG/3pm guy. Not only saying that because he's white.

Marquese Chriss - Still learning how to play the actual game, but has shown he can hit threes. Could improve his FG quite easily if he adds at least two or three post moves to repertoire, instead of doing everything in the spur of a moment. Game should slow down this year, for him.

Lauri Markkanen - Dang, another rookie? Lauri has a chance to put up at least a three a game, but don't see him surpassing 45% FG as a rookie, let alone 47%. Good dynasty target, though.

Henry Ellenson - Morris gone, so chance at more minutes. This was his calling card coming out of college. Just hasn’t been able to put it together, expect for some SL spurts.

 

Some fun facts:

  • Obviously Curry holds the record for most threes in a game (13), but he's also responsible for 8 out the top 20 games and 5 out of the top 7 games. 
  • Out of the top 20 games with threes atttempted, Curry is only responsible for 1 (10/19 threes). JR had a 10/22 game and Kobe once had a 6/21 game, Damon Stoudamire hit only 5/21 once.
  • There have only been 6 players who've attempted 20 or more threes in a game. However, there have been 163 games in which a player attempted 15 or more threes.
  • There have been 18 players who came off the bench to attempt 15 threes in a game. Donyell Marshall once hit 12/19 as a reserve, which was a record overall. Eric Gordon once came off the bench to shoot 3/16 threes. The Rockets still managed to win that game.
  • One of the worst shooting nights, besides the ones mentioned before, belongs to Dennis Scott going 2/17 vs the Nets once.  I think he was just warming up.
  • Going at least 0/10 has been done 15 times in the history of the league.  These players hit none out of either 10 or 11 attempts once - Ray Allen, Raja Bell, Trey Burke (who allowed this to happen?!), Steph (twice), BD, KD, Harden (suprise, suprise, three times), Korver, McCloud, Kemba and Antoine Walker (twice, another surprise).
  • At the other side of that spectrum: There have only been 7 games in which a player attempted at least 8 threes, and hit all of them. Ben Gordon shot 9/9 twice, Sprewell did it once. Finley, Hornacek, Sam Perkins (salute!) and Steve Smith all once shot 8/8. 7/7 has been done 12 times in the history of the game.
  • The Cavs are the only team to ever hit 25 threes in a game. They shot 25/46 in a win against Atlanta. The score was 135-130. The Hawks hit just 10 threes.
  • There have been 43 games in which one of the teams hit at least 20 threes. 10 by GSW, 12 by Houston. 25 of those games were played within the last two seasons. Only three OT games among this selection.
  • There have been 13 games in which one of the teams attempted 50+ threes. In 12 of those games, it was the Rockets, and one off them was by the Knicks. All these games were played in the 2016-2017 season. 
  • There are only 41 games in which a team attempted 45+ threes. Only one of those was played prior to 2000, by Dallas in 1996. Four of them were played between 2000 and 2010, and  36 since 2010. Here's the kicker: 25 out of 41 games were played this past season, 16 of them by the Rockets. In only 6/41 games it was the Warriors.
  • Houston also recorded the worst shooting night among those 45+ attempt games - they hit 9/45 threes in a loss against the Clippers in 2015.
  • Between 1985 and 1986 the Paceers had a string of 69 games in which they didn't hit a threepointer. The longest such streak over the past ddecade was three games by the Thunder in 2008. 
  • There has been no team to not hit a single three in a game last season. The last time this happened was when Miami failed to score a threepointer against Charlotte in 2016. They did attempt 9 of them in the win. 
  • Only 9 teams attempted less than 10 threes in a single game last season. Six of those games resulted ina loss for that team. in 2015-2016, there were 29 games in which a team attempted less than 10 threes. Twenty years ago, there were 290 such games. The 88-89 Kings and Knicks were the first teams to average over 10 3pt attempts per game in a season. 
  • FG: Only two players EVER shot 0/15 or worse. Tim Hardaway and Rondey McCray both had a 0/15 FG game. Tim had 2 pts and Rodney 4 pts in those games, all free throws, obviously.  
  • There have been only 18 games in which a team attempted 125 or more FG. Seven out of those 18 come from the Nuggets (and not only from the Paul Westhead era). 
  • Only five out of those 18 games resulted in a win for the team attempting at least 125 FG's. 11 games were actually overtime games, and in none of the 18 games the opponent attempted more than 124 FGs.
  • All Non-Overtime games (7) are by the Paul Westhead Nuggets, except for two, a 80's GSW game and another 80's Nuggets game. None of the Paul Westhead games resulted in a win.
  • The Nets and Nuggets are responsible for two of the worst scoring nights (regulation only). The Nets went 41/123 for 33.3% in a loss and a year later the Nuggets achieved a 41/126 (32.5%) game. In neither game the players shot more than 10 threes.
  • In 2016 the Mavs played a game against the Grizzlies in which they had only 60 FGA, but had 31 3PA. They won the game 103-93.
  • There have been 8 games in which one of the teams had less than 55 FGA. Only two out of those games were losses for the game with so few FGA. Such a game has only once since 2003 (2006, Orl).  

 

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Why do you need so many three to win your league?

 

Because there are no fours.

 

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2 minutes ago, Kamura said:

Bravo sir thank you for the info and I'm glad to know i drafted both CJ and Gary Harris this year!

 

Where did you get Harris?

 

@PuzzBeterson What sorta ranking do you give Harris? I have a serious man-crush on him too

 

And thanks for another epic write up @PuzzBeterson

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13 minutes ago, bball961 said:

Any feedback for Nick Young, Jodie Meeks and Marco Belinelli?

 

Thanks

In veeery deep leagues, maybe. 

 

Nick Young could maybe do something in GS' system, but he's worth waaaaay less then what he was in LA.

Meeks is not seeing much PT behind Beal (or Wall: Frazier, Sato), who was top 20 in mpg. I know he was decent in LA, but thats seasons and a few injuries ago.

Belinelli wont be very valuable either - little incentive for the Hawkss to play him over Bembry, Bazemore, Prince. They also just signed Jenkins, and I get the feeling they may keep him around this time.

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56 minutes ago, Jake the snake said:

 

Where did you get Harris?

 

@PuzzBeterson What sorta ranking do you give Harris? I have a serious man-crush on him too

 

And thanks for another epic write up @PuzzBeterson

Gary Harris is already in a very select group of players. 

 

A 16pts, 50%FG, 1.7 3pt, 1.4 stl season has been done 3 times before (Kawhi, Durant, Curry). And those averages are only a slight uptick of what he's done the past season. 

 

He's clearly not on their level, but it shows how valuable he is. A guy he reminds me of somewhat is Hersey Hawkins. I don't know what ranking he had back in the day. Eddie Jones comes to mind, as well. I'd say, even if he does 15 pts / 48%fg, 1.7 3pts, 1.4 stl with his current ast/reb/ft numbers, he'd already be top 35. Basically, what he did in February, March and April. If he does that over the course of an entire season, he's top 35 in my book. (9 cat, H2H). 

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5 minutes ago, kane said:

How about Bogdan Bogdanovic?

 

I think he will play around 25-28 mins and give you decent pts,3s and assist

https://www.hoop-ball.com/nba-news-hoop-ball-blog/kings-media-day-dave-joerger-talks-kings-rotations/

 

 

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On rookie Justin Jackson:
“Justin’s a really solid player. He’s the kind of guy that can play with older guys, because he complements whoever he plays with, whether that be a young talented group or an older talented group or an older group or a smart group — he just complements them. He knows how to play, he knows to get out of the way, he knows when to go try to make a play.  I think he comes from a system so I don’t have any problem with being able to play him with a young group or an older group. I’m excited to coach him.”
That sounds like a guy ready to play Justin Jackson.
On Justin Jackson needing time to develop:
“No, I think he fits in right away as a rotation guy.” 
Well that answers that. With Vince Carter likely to get 14-20 mpg, especially early on, the glut of shooting guards on the team might be fighting for even less available minutes.
There was an interesting response when asked if Vince Carter would play the four, which was more interesting because it offered an insight as to how Joerger views the shooting guards’ ability to play the three.
“There’s not really anybody at the two spot that can play the three.  We’ll play Malachi there. But yet then there’s times through the course of the game — if I can and it matches up then — to slide a shooting guard to play the small forward slot.”
The league plays very small nowadays so it’s possible that Joerger has the chance to go smaller more than he implies in this quote.  The quote itself could also be benign — after all — it’s talking about Vince Carter playing the four during the end of a scrum on media day.
What about that Bogdan Bogdanovic guy?
“He’s a guy I haven’t had a chance to get my hands on at all and coach him.  I’m going to stress to him to be patient. Things are going a hundred miles an hour for him. This is his dream too so he has every shot at being as good as he wants to be and I want to help him, but sometimes things are different as far as ‘just got here two days ago.’  He speaks pretty good English, which is good for him, but I need to learn his strengths. Can he play in pick and roll? Does he come off catch-and-shoots? Is he better guarding a bigger guy, or a smaller guy or a quicker guy.  All of these things I have to learn about him too and a lot of the rest of our team, too.”
It sure sounds like Bogdanovic will be the odd man out early on, which is interesting, because he appears to have the inside track at being one of the Kings’ best players this season.  Joerger said he did not talk with De’Aaron Fox about playing time yet, but he’s almost certain to be relegated to mostly backup minutes early on.  Buddy Hield, Garrett Temple and Bogdanovic fitting into mostly just shooting guard minutes is going to be a tight squeeze and there might be a guy held out of the rotation.  The new guy who just got there seems like where this could be heading.

 

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3 minutes ago, PuzzBeterson said:

Gary Harris is already in a very select group of players. 

 

A 16pts, 50%FG, 1.7 3pt, 1.4 stl season has been done 3 times before (Kawhi, Durant, Curry). And those averages are only a slight uptick of what he's done the past season. 

 

He's clearly not on their level, but it shows how valuable he is. A guy he reminds me of somewhat is Hersey Hawkins. I don't know what ranking he had back in the day. Eddie Jones comes to mind, as well. I'd say, even if he does 15 pts / 48%fg, 1.7 3pts, 1.4 stl with his current ast/reb/ft numbers, he'd already be top 35. Basically, what he did in February, March and April. If he does that over the course of an entire season, he's top 35 in my book. (9 cat, H2H). 

 

So then the big question is how long do you wait to maximize his upside while not letting him get snaffled up by someone else. His ADP in yahoo is 97 and he is ranked 100 in ESPN's latest...I want him...I want him bad, but I'm greedy too!

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1 minute ago, Jake the snake said:

 

So then the big question is how long do you wait to maximize his upside while not letting him get snaffled up by someone else. His ADP in yahoo is 97 and he is ranked 100 in ESPN's latest...I want him...I want him bad, but I'm greedy too!

I have no problem drafting him in the 4th, at all. Like mentioned before, I really enjoy high efficiency players, and Harris is one of them.

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13 minutes ago, GrandGourou said:

 

Does he play SF or PF ?

 

Don't think there's much of a difference these days. IF he sees the court for any meaningful minutes (thats a huge if), he'd probably play the worst scorer on the opposite team - his defense is probably worse than Ryan Anderson's. 

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4 hours ago, PuzzBeterson said:

Don't think there's much of a difference these days. IF he sees the court for any meaningful minutes (thats a huge if), he'd probably play the worst scorer on the opposite team - his defense is probably worse than Ryan Anderson's. 

 

Yeah I've heard they are really high on his shooting, but his D sucks too.

 

Speaking of Anderson. With CP3 in town and D'Antoni having possibly a better group of guys than even the suns teams for his offense this year. How do you see him this year? I think he might bounce back a little, but not sure

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