EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Here's my guess: 1. Mike Trout, OF 2. Jose Altuve, 2B 3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B 4. Nolan Arenado, 3B 5. Bryce Harper, OF 6. Mookie Betts, OF 7. Kris Bryant, 3B 8. Anthony Rizzo, 2B 9. Joey Votto, 1B 10. Giancarlo Stanton, OF 11. Charlie Blackmon, OF 12. Jose Ramirez, 2B There are a lot of fringe guys: Aaron Judge, OF Marcell Ozuna, OF JD Martinez, OF Dee Gordon, 2B Carlos Correa, SS Manny Machado, SS thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Evincar 1,719 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If Judge and Ozuna are there as fringe guys I think Sanchez should be in the discussion as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Low and Away 1,574 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If your rankings are close having picks around the turn looks very promising. I'd lower Goldschmidt down a few spots though but that is nitpicking. Link to post Share on other sites
EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Evincar said: If Judge and Ozuna are there as fringe guys I think Sanchez should be in the discussion as well. Fair point. Gary Sanchez .280, 80, 33, 90, 2 is pretty special at catcher. Would be risky as hell though, as Catcher's offensive seasons tend to be a lot more volatile from year to year. Link to post Share on other sites
Fiveohnine 1,505 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Catchers also get less ABs. I think Turner would be a reasonable 1st round or fringe guy. So would any of Sale, Scherzer, Kershaw, or Kluber. Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Funkhouser 1,202 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I think Trea Turner has to be in the discussion. There's only 3 premier base stealers in the game at the moment and Turner is the only one who provides some power and slugging with it. Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,565 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, Marty Funkhouser said: I think Trea Turner has to be in the discussion. There's only 3 premier base stealers in the game at the moment and Turner is the only one who provides some power and slugging with it. agree.... would take trea over rizzo, bryant, mookie, stanton and rameriez you also have blackmon too low and i was not high on him at all since i didnt think he would steal much which he didnt but the power and avg is real no chance i take mookie/bryant/rizzo over blackmon no chance arenado makes it out of top 2 for me even with the lack of sb Link to post Share on other sites
EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Steals can be a very risky investment .. a complete player who brings something in every category with a strong track record of doing so is what's attractive in the first round. health/durability (guys who are a threat for 700 PA) youth (age 20-27 seems to be the sweet spot) track record (multiple seasons of elite performance, even high minor leagues) Jose Ramirez track record is a bit more limited so im more skeptical of his placement than anybody else ... but when you take his 2B/3B/OF eligibility into consideration, and his rare 5 category skill set, it's hard to leave him off. Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,565 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 rameriez is no where near my top 12 you also forgot sale kershaw max kluber who will all be 1st rd picks maybe even bum but most will go top 15 picks Link to post Share on other sites
EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 SP are risky investments in the first round .. The list reflected what my top 12 would look like ... i don't tend to spend big money on SP I'm curious what your top 12 would look like ... i can't imagine too many players with Jose Ramirez combination of youth, 2B eligibility, 5 category skill set, elite lineup, and his solid bet to play a full 150+ games. Link to post Share on other sites
sleepysock 837 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Turner is risky but worth a late first round gamble over a surer thing like Rizzo. 75+ steals and 120+ runs are a realistic projection if he stays healthy. Those are just bananas numbers. And it's not like he kills you in the other cats. Scherzer, Kluber or Sale are the only pitchers I'd take in round one. Kershaw's injuries the last few years have given me enough pause to slide him out of the first. Same is true of Harper and Stanton. I don't trust them to stay healthy enough to warrant a round one pick anymore. The more interesting topic to me is which guys will be drafted 5th round or later and have a good shot at providing first round production. Benintendi, Moncada, guys like that. I was about to say Abreu but he's turned things around enough to be a top 25-30 overall player this year, so he won't last til round 5. Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,565 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 yea all turner has to do is play 150 game and the 15ish hrs 70 sb 100+ runs is a lock which is an easy top 10 pick for me i think kershaw is still a 1st rd pick in roto as he still returns top 10 value with 170 inn and and 3rd overall with 149 inn ha if its h2h i would shy away from kershaw as it was a major hit in my two leagues when he went down.. also his inj has been his back not arm so thats kinda a plus but not sure how reoccurring/risk is involved with back inj Link to post Share on other sites
EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Also, Rizzo with 2B eligibility changes his value big time. Not too many 2B who are a lock for .270+ BA, 30 HR, 100+ RBI, and 5 steals. Link to post Share on other sites
Fiveohnine 1,505 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Yeah. Him not having 2B on ESPN next year is going to cause a lot of confusion on this board. Link to post Share on other sites
jfazz23 2,530 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 agree trea turner and clayton kershaw have to be up there scherzer too....no way not 1 of those guys dont have an ADP in top 15 edit: also, dont know how Blackmon would be behind betts. id swap blackmon and betts Link to post Share on other sites
Csiebert5 202 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I'm taking Votto over Bryant, Rizzo and betts. He's consistently elite. Sure he'll be on a crappy team and won't steal too many bags , but he is consistent as they get. Epsicalllllly in OBP or OPS league he's top 5 for sure. Link to post Share on other sites
beauso79 141 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I think Syndergaard may come with a pretty decent discount next year Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,966 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Here you are, the top 1) Trout 2) Altuve 3) Tre Turner 4) Arenado 5) Betts 6) Harper 7) Kershaw 8) Goldschmidt 9) Correa 10) Blackmon 11) Sale 12) Bryant Link to post Share on other sites
jfazz23 2,530 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, brockpapersizer said: Here you are, the top 1) Trout 2) Altuve 3) Tre Turner 4) Arenado 5) Betts 6) Harper 7) Kershaw 8) Goldschmidt 9) Correa 10) Blackmon 11) Sale 12) Bryant again, switch blackmon and betts and im not taking sale over scherzer still...but thats just me goldie belongs in the 2-4 range as well. i know you dont like goldie but 8th is absurd think correa falls a little because of lack of SB. might put votto in there instead of him even with a deep 1b just my $0.02 Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,565 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 i understand people having mookie over blackmon because mookie has that 30/30 upside blackmon doesnt (anymore) i also see blackmon not getting those rbis next year if he hits leadoff so counting stats would have to favor mookie or come out even i think i would have blackmon>mookie just because of arenado and coors 1 trout 2 arenado 3 altuve 4 goldy 5 trea 6 blackmon 7 mookie 8 kershaw 9 correa 10 sale 11 bryant 12 rizzo/donaldson/max im higher than most on donaldson but will depend how tor offseason goes or if donaldson gets traded Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,966 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Fair points. I think the 10-15 more steals Betts will get is worth the 10-15 homers blackmon might get. And I wouldn't be surprised if Betts had was much closer in homers next year to what Blackmon does. Link to post Share on other sites
EmbargoLifted 910 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 No way the 31+ year old blackmon with 60% sb rate is going to get drafted over Mookie Betts next year. Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,565 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, EmbargoLifted said: No way the 31+ year old blackmon with 60% sb rate is going to get drafted over Mookie Betts next year. depends on what you want not like blackmon has hit 325 and 330 the last two years with 248 runs and 185 rbis 66 hrs and 31 bags even if he only swipes 11-13 you can very easily make a case that blackmon has a high floor and same ceiling as mookie (blackmon #1 overall this year) Link to post Share on other sites
jfazz23 2,530 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, colepenhagen said: i understand people having mookie over blackmon because mookie has that 30/30 upside blackmon doesnt (anymore) i also see blackmon not getting those rbis next year if he hits leadoff so counting stats would have to favor mookie or come out even i think i would have blackmon>mookie just because of arenado and coors 1 trout 2 arenado 3 altuve 4 goldy 5 trea 6 blackmon 7 mookie 8 kershaw 9 correa 10 sale 11 bryant 12 rizzo/donaldson/max im higher than most on donaldson but will depend how tor offseason goes or if donaldson gets traded really like this one cole but im dropping arenado to 4 and bumping altuve and goldy up Link to post Share on other sites
Low and Away 1,574 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, EmbargoLifted said: No way the 31+ year old blackmon with 60% sb rate is going to get drafted over Mookie Betts next year. I would. Age for one year isn't that big of a deal for me. Link to post Share on other sites
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