patentboy23 571 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Vucevic for Kawhi. GM trading away Kawhi claims he accidentally accepted it and is demanding veto after other GMs made noise. Do you buy this plea or a deal is a deal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gdupm6 525 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 It depends how your league works. If that trade is gonna make everything upside down then maybe you guys should discuss it as a league.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mobdad 1,148 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If he notified the league right away, the commissioner should make the adjustment and kill the trade. Unless of course you are all dicks. It sounds like just a mechanical error. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Well the kawhi owner didn't notify the league until after the fact another GM complained about the value exchanged. If it were truly accidental, the kawhi owner would have contacted the comissioner immediately noting the error. By vetoing, it sets new precedent that people can renege. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bksm 199 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I don't buy that, he saw that monster line from Vucevic, and then watched the video of Kawhi walking up the stairs slowly, and accepted it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuN 488 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 owner who traded Kawhi was probably a newb and realized he made a dumb mistake when other people complained For the sake of being fair and good sportsmanship, you can veto if everyone thinks it's lopsided. Who knows, maybe Kawhi doesn't get 100% before fantasy playoffs start or goes on a minute restriction when he comes back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WHIRtrade 5 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 i think he meant to make the trade when he accepted it but realized later that it was stupid in the long run and want to veto now. http://forums.rotoworld.com/topic/678637-rate-this-team-whir/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mobdad 1,148 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If the request to rescind was because of another team owner complaining, that is a different situation and the trade should stand; with one caveat. That caveat is that if the commissioner feels that this trade would hurt the integrity of the league and swing the championship clearly in the favor or the team receiving Kawhi, then kill it. Trades are rarely equally benefitial to both sides, but if the trade is so lopsided that it it takes the fun out playing for the rest of the league, then kill it and move on. I don't buy into the theory that collusion is the only reason for rescision. It is still a game and I can't think of anything worse than competing in a league for 6 month where I have no chance to win because of an extremely lopsided trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy21 31 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 It also soundslike he did it on purpose and had regrets when people spoke up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, LuN said: owner who traded Kawhi was probably a newb and realized he made a dumb mistake when other people complained For the sake of being fair and good sportsmanship, you can veto if everyone thinks it's lopsided. Who knows, maybe Kawhi doesn't get 100% before fantasy playoffs start or goes on a minute restriction when he comes back. It sounds like buyers remorse. I'm the commish receiving Kawhi. I already own KAT and Curry so I could see other GMs saying I rigged it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ncbobcats 164 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, patentboy23 said: It sounds like buyers remorse. I'm the commish receiving Kawhi. I already own KAT and Curry so I could see other GMs saying I rigged it. Out of curiosity how are you defending the trade to your league mates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, ncbobcats said: Out of curiosity how are you defending the trade to your league mates? I will state that the GM alleging it was a mistake failed to contact the commissioner immediately regarding the error, there was reasonable and sufficient value exchanged, and both parties accepted with injury risk considered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryantheriipa 33 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Couple thoughts, i’m commish myself for my league; 1.) The only way I would ever veto a trade was if there was obvious collusion, or when someone dgaf about their team and blatantly gives up and trades away whomever they are asked for. A good commish will make sure this never happens as they need to be on top of teams not setting their lineup and threaten to ban for following year, as this ruins the competitiveness and spirit of the league. 2.) I don’t think it’s fair to veto for the sake of everyone’s opinion. That’s a slippery slope unless there is predetermined rules or an understanding put into place. What if the Kawhi owner was worried Kawhi will miss tons of time? The ONLY person to be able to approve veto, imo, is the person who got Kawhi in return. I’ve personally accepted on accident a BS trade, went to my boy, plead my case, and got it reversed. If this is what truly happened and the Kawhi recipient refuses, then all should beware and say “f this guy” and move on. 3.) Just personal opinion but looks like original Kawhi owner got shamed into crying wolf on this one, that shouldn’t allow for a veto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sgergole 111 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Instant veto imho, in the way I manage the league as commissioner. A trade like this kills a league, imho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) I'm the commish and receiving Kawhi. Deal/ no deal. Edited October 23, 2017 by patentboy23 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bangbang 17 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Veto. Even if it wasn't a mistake, one person's stupidity shouldn't ruin the competitiveness of the league for all other owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jjbooda 325 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I believe a deal is a deal and some comments are correct that if it was accidental the kawhi owner notifies commissioner asap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, jjbooda said: I believe a deal is a deal and some comments are correct that if it was accidental the kawhi owner notifies commissioner asap. I'm the commish. After another GM complained on the group chat, the kawhi owner claimed via group chat that it was accidental; he never contacted the comissioner, me, directly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jagale 4 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, patentboy23 said: I'm the commish. After another GM complained on the group chat, the kawhi owner claimed via group chat that it was accidental; he never contacted the comissioner, me, directly. I think you need to carefully weigh how it will impact the league. Yes, vetoing something like this is a slippery slope. However, if guys voice concern and don't feel that it's taken into consideration on something like this, they might opt to "quit" on the league, which makes it less fun for everyone. The goal is obviously for the league to remain competitive, so I would likely veto the deal in order to protect that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heyitsmattdelly 314 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 from what i know in yahoo, after you press accept trade, it asks you again "are you sure" so that means he "accidentally" pressed yes twice. def seems like buyers remorse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcflywalker 1,119 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I always felt like the commissioners job, partly, is to weed out the bad trades from the fair trades. Some commissioners take this to an extreme to the point where the league feels like it’s run by a tyrant that calls all the shots. Nevertheless, the commissioner should know a good from bad deal. And since you’re the commissioner and you are also the one getting Kawhi, you should know this is a shoddy trade. Veto it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patentboy23 571 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, mcflywalker said: I always felt like the commissioners job, partly, is to weed out the bad trades from the fair trades. Some commissioners take this to an extreme to the point where the league feels like it’s run by a tyrant that calls all the shots. Nevertheless, the commissioner should know a good from bad deal. And since you’re the commissioner and you are also the one getting Kawhi, you should know this is a shoddy trade. Veto it. How is it shoddy? Niko is a top talent and kawhi is a top talent who's currently injured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcflywalker 1,119 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, patentboy23 said: How is it shoddy? Niko is a top talent and kawhi is a top talent who's currently injured. Kawhi is a top 10 player. Everyone knows this. If you weren’t feeling sketch about the trade, this thread wouldn’t be here. You can always change the trade settings to league votes and let it get handled that way if anything. It’s a bit of a blurred line if you have the final say, and you’re the one benefitting from the uneven trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fry 44 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Veto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ncbobcats 164 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Ryantheriipa said: 3.) Just personal opinion but looks like original Kawhi owner got shamed into crying wolf on this one, that shouldn’t allow for a veto I think that this sums it up the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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