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Anyone have any thoughts on the Milwaukee situation?

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1 hour ago, TheJuggernautBTCH said:

 

 

The dude is trash right now....if he pitches solid I can see that scenario play out......but how long will they suffer through his poor performance?

They traded away all their good players, and are trying to lose.  So what if Ziegler is trash and blowing games. Their hope is around the deadline he closes out 3 or 4 in row.  Then they can claim he's fixed, and pawn him off on someone else.

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55 minutes ago, mudrummer said:

 

K, BB and HR - see Carlos Santana

 

I suppose in the context of pitchers who can't throw strikes, there's an argument for adding in HBP.  I love Mark McGwire's final season in 2001:

 

364 PA, of which:

118 Ks

56 BB

29 HR

27 hits that weren't HR

3 HBP

131 other outs

 

He had the same number of walks as hits (56), more HR than non-HR hits, and almost as many Ks as all other outs combined.

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1 hour ago, murraygd13 said:

They traded away all their good players, and are trying to lose.  So what if Ziegler is trash and blowing games. Their hope is around the deadline he closes out 3 or 4 in row.  Then they can claim he's fixed, and pawn him off on someone else.

 

 

I think that's an old school GM way of thinking....Gs are armed with too much data to subscribe to this valuation method.

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If Ziegler gets traded, he's not going to another team to close games.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again, for these known quantities, closing games doesn't matter much to a contender.  No GM worth his salt is going to trade more for Brad F'ing Ziegler because of the SVs tally next to his name.  Ziegler would be a GB specialist in any contender's pen, coming in to get a double play ball in a tight spot.  Saves don't matter for a guy like him, or Soria, or Colome for that matter (though the latter is more likely to close in his new spot, provided he's pitching well).

 

They need these guys to pitch well, regardless of where it is.  If they're pitching well in the 7th or 8th vs the 9th, the buyer isn't going to care.

 

However, for a guy like Barraclough, establishing himself as a closer would likely increase his value as a buyer now sees he can handle it.  I wouldn't put it past Miami to sell both of them.

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5 hours ago, ToO_BaD said:

 

Is there a chance Steckenrider can jump Barraclough?  KB does have a couple BS and a loss this season.  And his walk rate is a little worrisome for a closer.

 

What were the circumstances around his two blown saves? If they weren't in the 9th with him closing out a game, I put little stock in that. Jmho. 

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51 minutes ago, Flyman75 said:

 

What were the circumstances around his two blown saves? If they weren't in the 9th with him closing out a game, I put little stock in that. Jmho. 

 

Yeah both of those and his loss were 8th inning pitching.  Sorry.

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Of course the Nats will have a save opp with Doolittle unavailability due to being wasted in non save ops again. 

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Just now, kidtwentytwo said:

The end is near for Greene 

Not sure Jimenez is next though with how he's looked.  Wilson hasn't walked anyone in a week.  My money is on him :blink:

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2 minutes ago, Magoo said:

Not sure Jimenez is next though with how he's looked.  Wilson hasn't walked anyone in a week.  My money is on him :blink:

 

13 hits 5 walks in 14 ip, don't really want to lotto ticket that right now

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