loro1991 123 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, mavsfan23 said: I doubt it unless Holland suddenly starts getting paid much less. Agree with it or not, that gives him a lot of leeway. Idk man, if I had Holland I won't just suddenly feel better if he blows it next time out because of his paycheck. If Norris settles in the Cardinals aren't going to have major objections to possibly using Holland in flexible high leverage situations like Miller, Hader and Bradley. Norris got 20 saves last season, he struck out the side last night and recovered under pressure with 2 K's tonight. It's possible he stays there, Norris is worth holding for that even if he ends up being a placeholder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,746 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, mavsfan23 said: I doubt it unless Holland suddenly starts getting paid much less. Agree with it or not, that gives him a lot of leeway. $14 million? One year? That's a write-off 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittons 234 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 The better half of the Cardinals closers over the last 7 or 8 years have been in the "extremely unlikely" category. Most years it's been a different guy than started with the role in April or was expected to have the role, so they seem accustomed as an organization to adjust their pre-season plans. Mujica, Salas and Oh were all pretty unlikely closers. Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,746 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 44 minutes ago, kittenmittons said: The better half of the Cardinals closers over the last 7 or 8 years have been in the "extremely unlikely" category. Most years it's been a different guy than started with the role in April or was expected to have the role, so they seem accustomed as an organization to adjust their pre-season plans. Mujica, Salas and Oh were all pretty unlikely closers. Ryan Franklin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittons 234 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, My Dinner With Andre said: Ryan Franklin Yep, I think he took over for Isringhausen and lasted for longer than the rest of the unlikely bunch. Good call. It's really been a closer carousel for the Cardinals the last decade. I think Rosenthal was the only one to lose the role and then reclaim it later for any length of time, and even that was short lived. Edited April 16, 2018 by kittenmittons 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jimbo504 439 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Devenski pitching the 9th in a tie game... does that mean anything? Is he the guy to own? Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,281 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 It means nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,281 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Kela in a tied ninth in the top of the ninth on the road Link to post Share on other sites
merlin401 853 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I’m sure some people are happy and some are annoyed but two straight save opportunities going to random Rangers with Kela getting wins instead looks like Link to post Share on other sites
mikejohn 5 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I don’t get why they bring kela in??? They are on the road .. wth Link to post Share on other sites
Root Admin Patrick Bateman 7,230 Posted April 16, 2018 Root Admin Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, mikejohn said: I don’t get why they bring kela in??? They are on the road .. wth Because Bannister doesn't care much about who gets a "save". He probably wanted to get thru the top of the lineup with one of his best.... 5 Link to post Share on other sites
SpartyOn4 713 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, Patrick Bateman said: Because Bannister doesn't care much about who gets a "save". He probably wanted to get thru the top of the lineup with one of his best.... Exactly. If they don't go to their best RP there, there's a good chance the game is over already and there is no 10th inning to save. Link to post Share on other sites
mikejohn 5 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Needs to trust the bullpen to get a scoreless inning Link to post Share on other sites
mikejohn 5 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Because now you have a lead , but no closer and guys on 1st and 3rd in the bottom of the 10th Link to post Share on other sites
KingJoffrey 817 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 It's just a matter of time before Bud Norris blows someone's ERA and WHIP up looking to chase saves. Russian Roulette. Link to post Share on other sites
89Topps 2,601 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, mikejohn said: I don’t get why they bring kela in??? They are on the road .. wth I'm trying to figure out what being on the road has to do with it 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SpartyOn4 713 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 89Topps said: I'm trying to figure out what being on the road has to do with it In theory, when you're on the road in a potential extra-innings situation, you can save your closer until you score in the top of an inning, then bring him in for the save in the bottom. But in practice that's not always the best way to win a game. Bringing Kela in to face the top of the Astros lineup was a no-brainer IMO, and it worked out. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sjs1890 142 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 So why wasn't Giles used this time? Whats hinch's excuse? Link to post Share on other sites
AnonymousRob 3,429 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, KingJoffrey said: It's just a matter of time before Bud Norris blows someone's ERA and WHIP up looking to chase saves. Russian Roulette. Very true, but to be fair you can say this about most closers. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
The Waker 213 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, mikejohn said: Because now you have a lead , but no closer and guys on 1st and 3rd in the bottom of the 10th Yeah and if they had pitched this guy instead of Kela in the 9th vs the top of the Astros' order they probably lose the game.... Pitching their best guy in that situation was a no-brainer. A reliever other than Kela was going to have to pitch at some point if they were going to win and each inning was the potential last. Edited April 16, 2018 by The Waker 2 Link to post Share on other sites
knuckleheads 469 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said: It's funny. Last year with LAA everyone completely dismissed Norris and me, being the saves vulture I am, immediately grabbed him hoping to squeeze literally a couple saves out of him. He got me almost 20! This year, with STL....everyone is completely dismissing Norris and I, once again, am hoping to squeeze a few saves out of the situation! HA. He also imploded after a decent run though. It was what everyone sort of figured but he did hold it together for a lot longer than expected. He's pitched well thus far but it's still Holland's to lose. Meaning Norris' hold on the position will be determined by how well/poor Holland pitches. Link to post Share on other sites
SKYWASKO 20 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just add Norris if u can. Link to post Share on other sites
swfcdan 659 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) Alvaro or Romo, who's the spec add here? Even if Colome isn't hurt I can see them changing soon to "let him clear his head". They are awful and need to at least hold the occasional leads they get. Something will happen soon if he keeps sucking. Seems FG has it listed in red now and Romo as the next guy behind. But wouldn't they want to see what the younger kid can do. Edited April 16, 2018 by swfcdan Link to post Share on other sites
BostonCajun 1,675 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, swfcdan said: Alvaro or Romo, who's the spec add here? Even if Colome isn't hurt I can see them changing soon to "let him clear his head". They are awful and need to at least hold the occasional leads they get. Something will happen soon if he keeps sucking. Not much has changed here and it's just a guess. If you believe in the veteran with experience go with Romo. If you believe in the young guy with better stuff go with Alvaro. If you have space to roster both and are that desperate for saves do that. Link to post Share on other sites
fletch44 1,531 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Colome was terrible for a stretch last year and he eventually righted the ship. I imagine he has some leash. He's only pitched 5 innings. That said, I would guess Romo is next in line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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