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Anyone have any thoughts on the Milwaukee situation?

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Middleton gutted that out. Looked tired at the start of the inning(3rd straight appearance) but seemed to settle in after the first 2 reached. Obviously he's gotta be unavailable tomorrow if there's a save situation

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13 minutes ago, WaKe21334 said:

Why Jepsen instead of Kela in a tied game, top of 9th?

Because he just knew that Oakland was going to score 6 runs in the inning and nobody owns Jepsen?  See, he was looking out for all of us...

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Fields vultures Jansen’s save, interesting...  Cingrani had pitched two straight as well, but both Fields and Baez had also pitched the day before... and no Alexander sighting... Fields looks next in line.  

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8 hours ago, midlip said:

Ho hum Cody Allen dominance just gets ignored?

I guess we're just used to him being a pretty good closer.

 

34 minutes ago, BooFinn said:

Fields vultures Jansen’s save, interesting...  Cingrani had pitched two straight as well, but both Fields and Baez had also pitched the day before... and no Alexander sighting... Fields looks next in line.  

Jansen was unavailable after pitching 2 nights in a row.  He was in the dugout the whole game.

 

If something were to happen to him though, you are right, it looks like Fields would be the replacement as expected.

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maybe some good news for Mark Melancon ...

 

on ESPN player card

 

Melancon (elbow) will begin a throwing program Thursday, John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
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Melancon seems to be on track with his recovery, as he is returning to baseball activities two weeks after having a stem cell injection in his pronator on April 12. Tests revealed no ligament damage in Melancon's right elbow, but the team can't put an approximate timetable on his return until he begins throwing. More news will come as the 33-year-old progresses through his program. Hunter Strickland appears to be locked in as the closer for the time being.
 
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I saw that Melancon 'news' as well, which is basically just saying he was always going to wait 2 weeks after the stem cell injection and then start testing it out.  There's really no way to know if the stem cell injection worked or helped at all without starting a throwing program and seeing how it feels, so it's more like "the next necessary step" than some kind of progress.  

 

The real interesting news will be after he starts throwing, if he has any pain or strength in that pronator.

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9 hours ago, midlip said:

Ho hum Cody Allen dominance just gets ignored?

 

That's because this thread is about closer speculation and unsettled situations.  Not much to talk about in terms of a closer that everyone knows is the closer and is doing his job well.  It's good that he is, but what kind of benefit to anyone is it to post that Allen is pitching well every time he gets a save?  The thread is already cluttered with a lot of useless nonsense.

 

1 hour ago, BooFinn said:

Fields vultures Jansen’s save, interesting...  Cingrani had pitched two straight as well, but both Fields and Baez had also pitched the day before... and no Alexander sighting... Fields looks next in line.  

 

Fields would seem to be the first add if Jansen were out, but I also wouldn't put too much stock into a sample size of 1.  I still think Roberts would use some kind of committee if it came down to it.

 

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rotoprofessor for what it's worth.

 

http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=35743

 

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1) Archie Bradley – Arizona Diamondbacks (NR)
Current Closer – Brad Boxberger

We’ve been waiting…  And waiting…  And waiting for the Diamondbacks to turn the role over to Bradley.  Thus far they’ve been stubborn in their attempt to keep him in a flexible setup role, but they may finally be changing their stance.  It makes sense, with Boxberger struggling of late.  Granted it was a stretch where he worked three straight days, but his performance from 4/18-4/20 was downright ugly:

2.0 IP, 5 R, 7 H, 0 BB, 2 K

Boxberger suffered two losses during that stretch, and while he may have a little bit longer of a leash it’s getting shorter by the day.  Maybe that’s because Bradley continues to flourish, with a 2.03 ERA over 13.1 IP (12 appearances) and he’s also picked up two saves along the way (including one on Sunday).  Perhaps the team again bypasses Bradley, instead giving Yoshihisa Hirano a run just to display their stubbornness, but the Diamondbacks are primed to win now and they can’t afford the risk of giving games away.

 

2) Kyle Barraclough – Miami Marlins (1)
Current Closer – Brad Ziegler

Barraclough had a little bit of a hiccup recently, but bounced back strong and should remain ahead of Drew Steckenrider as the next man up to replace Ziegler.  The question is how much longer does Ziegler have in the role?  Obviously the groundball specialist shouldn’t be having home run issues (1.04 HR/9) and he’s also suffered from some poor luck (.375 BABIP, 54.8% strand rate), but he lacks the traditional closer skill set and has allowed runs in four of his eight appearances.

As for Barraclough, as long as he is throwing strikes there is little reason to be concerned.  He brings big-time strikeout stuff and has seen his groundball rate jump to 50.0% (43.0% in ’17).  All he needs to do is keep his walk rate at it’s current 4.15 BB/9 and he could instantly become a Corey Knebel-esque closer.

 

3) Greg Holland – St. Louis Cardinals (NR)
Current Closer – Bud Norris

He’s been bad, though you have to wonder if this is simply a case of signing late and not getting the benefit of a traditional Spring Training.  We all know the Cardinals didn’t bring him in to pitch mop up duty, and as we’ve discussed (click here to view) it’s hard to bank on Norris being successful in the role long-term.  It’s possible that Luke Gregerson gets a look as an intermediary option, but long-term this is going to be Holland’s role.  Chances are that comes sooner rather than later, so don’t make the mistake of losing hope too early.

 

4) Kevin Jepsen – Texas Rangers (NR)
Current Closer – Keone Kela

Kela continues to struggle with his control (5.40 BB/9 over 6.2 IP) and while he hasn’t allowed a home run yet it seems like only a matter of time before it begins to plague him (22.2% groundball rate).  That combination is never a good thing, and with 3 ER on 6 H and 1 BB over his past 2.1 IP (three appearances) it may not be long before the Rangers are forced to make a move.

Jepsen may not be a strong replacement, but he does appear to be the next up (and was discussed as such by the team prior to the season).  While he does own a 1.69 ERA thus far, he hasn’t shown much in either strikeouts (5.06 K/9) or control (3.38 BB/9).  Even if he does take over, we may be having this conversation again before long.

 

5) Joe Jimenez – Detroit Tigers (NR)
Current Closer – Shane Greene

It’s interesting, because Greene has actually displayed the skills that we look for from any pitcher:

  • Strikeouts – 11.42 K/9
  • Control – 3.12 BB/9
  • Groundballs – 50.0%

So why would we be speculating on his removal?  He’s blown 2 of his 5 save opportunities, and while it may be luck related (60.3% strand rate, .348 BABIP) it would be easy to speculate that he simply can’t handle the end of the game.

Jimenez has long been discussed as a potential closer of the future and he’s been delivering on that promise thus far (0.00 ERA).  There are a few warning signs, whether it’s a 25.0% groundball rate, beneficial luck metrics (87.5% strand rate, .240 BABIP) or a pedestrian strikeout rate (8.31 K/9).  Right now he’s the best reliever the team has, though, and it may not take much for them to make a change.

 

 

I'm not really in agreement.

unless Boxberger completely falls apart I think they should and want to keep Bradley in this role.

I'm also not sold on Barraclough being a better option than Steckenrider.

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There's another pitcher in Miami emerging, Tayron Guerrero.  Numbers now don't look good because he was blown up early...throws 100mph and has struck out 24 in 12 innings including his last 10 batters.  

 

I don't agree with most of those outside of Holland and Jimenez.  If Box is pulled, Hirano could just as easily be closer.  Miami could be Steckinrider or Barraclough.  Jepsen sucks.  

 

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12 hours ago, Blood Brother said:

Middleton gutted that out. Looked tired at the start of the inning(3rd straight appearance) but seemed to settle in after the first 2 reached. Obviously he's gotta be unavailable tomorrow if there's a save situation

Yeah it seems he was missing around 4 MPH on the FB...yeah he was tired...3 days in a row in April...thanks Mike!

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2 hours ago, handyandy86 said:

I saw that Melancon 'news' as well, which is basically just saying he was always going to wait 2 weeks after the stem cell injection and then start testing it out.  There's really no way to know if the stem cell injection worked or helped at all without starting a throwing program and seeing how it feels, so it's more like "the next necessary step" than some kind of progress.  

 

The real interesting news will be after he starts throwing, if he has any pain or strength in that pronator.

 

Melancon "came back" last year too, posting a 4.82 ERA and a 1.61 WHIP in August and September.  The sample size is tiny, but I'm just pointing out that we've heard this story before.  He then had all offseason and all spring to get ready, then had a stem cell injection ,and now he's trying to throw again.

 

I'll believe Melancon is OK when he's on the mound producing ... I'm not holding my breath.

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8 minutes ago, absknicks said:

My guess is Melancon attempts to start throwing and rehabbing only to shut it down and be ruled out for the season not long after. 

 

I would be surprised if he's healthy the rest of the way too, but it's just speculation on our parts.  They aren't going to let him begin throwing much less close games until he shows he's capable of pitching effectively.  

 

On that note, what makes us believe Britton will come back healthy?  It's been one thing after another with him the past year.  

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1 hour ago, kidtwentytwo said:

There's another pitcher in Miami emerging, Tayron Guerrero.  Numbers now don't look good because he was blown up early...throws 100mph and has struck out 24 in 12 innings including his last 10 batters.  

 

I don't agree with most of those outside of Holland and Jimenez.  If Box is pulled, Hirano could just as easily be closer.  Miami could be Steckinrider or Barraclough.  Jepsen sucks.  

 

 

As one of the few Marlins fans left, I agree with this.

 

Also worth noting that his ERA is bloated because Mattingly left him out there for a 2nd inning on Opening Day after he struck out the side in his first inning of work. Not only that but most of the runs came in because Steckenrider let in the inherited runners so it wasn’t completely Guerrero’s fault. Guerrero’s swing and miss peripherals so far look great.

 

Guerrero can get a bit wild, but he’s looked impressive so far.

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2 hours ago, kidtwentytwo said:

 

I would be surprised if he's healthy the rest of the way too, but it's just speculation on our parts.  They aren't going to let him begin throwing much less close games until he shows he's capable of pitching effectively.  

 

On that note, what makes us believe Britton will come back healthy?  It's been one thing after another with him the past year.  

 

Who knows for sure with Britton, but with him I think it's more of a combination of unlucky events.  He struggled in 2017 to get his forearm healthy, but when he was on the field he was still quite good (2.89 ERA).  Then the achilles is just a completely unrelated injury that should fully heal.  I think as far as stashes go I have a reasonable amount of confidence he'll come back good again - he's still relatively young, and I wouldn't expect an achilles injury to cause long term velocity issues or anything like that.  But of course nothing is for sure.

 

On the other hand, Melancon is concerning because as @JFS179 pointed out, he was out for an extended period of time last year following the pronator surgery, came back and was garbage.  Had all off-season to get back up to strength, and then he's right back to square one practically, with a muscle that's too weak to throw 30 feet without pain.  There were even reports the muscle was "grey" and dead-looking when they did the surgery.  Now they're doing stem cell injections and hoping to basically shock some life back into the muscle.  It might work, but you can't be surprised if it doesn't too, and it's basically an all or nothing proposition - if the pronator doesn't respond then he can't pitch at all, period.  

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Alright the Arizona situation is very intriguing, specially with Boxberger struggling. He has always been a health concern but if he is struggling then it is a situation to monitor. I still dont fully buy Archie Bradley closing. Maybe the new thing will be the "Hader role" where the best reliever comes in pitches 2 innings to close the game. I can see Bradley doing really well in that kind of role but I really doubt he takes over the closer role outright. 

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7 minutes ago, screaming_vultures said:

Alright the Arizona situation is very intriguing, specially with Boxberger struggling. He has always been a health concern but if he is struggling then it is a situation to monitor. I still dont fully buy Archie Bradley closing. Maybe the new thing will be the "Hader role" where the best reliever comes in pitches 2 innings to close the game. I can see Bradley doing really well in that kind of role but I really doubt he takes over the closer role outright. 

Box has blown zero saves, has 12ks in 9ip and a 3:1 k:bb ratio.  I do think zona would be wise to monitor his usage, but I would hardly say he is struggling...  

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