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20 minutes ago, Sidearmer said:

SO what I'm getting from this thread is that he's a lefty who relies on deception, not stuff. Should be intersting to see how he starts. He could be Alex Wood and survive, but he could also be Tony Cingrani and be nothing noteworthy. Both were lefties with elite minor league numbers who relied on deceptiveness and not stuff.

 

At this point its just a wait and see game. Deep leagues he's worth a shot if you have an open roster spot, but not worth dropping anyone who might provide value.

Cingrani has a power fastball and a wipe out slider, he just couldnt locate.  He didnt rely on deception.

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9 minutes ago, ccsae said:

Cingrani when he first came up was all about deception.  All he threw were fast balls

 

He did throw almost all fastballs, but he didn’t rely on a deceptive delivery.  It was the extreme movement on the FB that led to his success.

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8 minutes ago, BMcP said:

 

He did throw almost all fastballs, but he didn’t rely on a deceptive delivery.  It was the extreme movement on the FB that led to his success.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/reds-tony-cingrani-scouting-report/

 

Paragraphs two and three 

 

Fastball lack of movement but can spot it to either side of the plate.

Deceptive delivery from a 3/4 slot hides the ball as long as possible

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6 hours ago, Sidearmer said:

SO what I'm getting from this thread is that he's a lefty who relies on deception, not stuff. Should be intersting to see how he starts. He could be Alex Wood and survive, but he could also be Tony Cingrani and be nothing noteworthy. Both were lefties with elite minor league numbers who relied on deceptiveness and not stuff.

 

At this point its just a wait and see game. Deep leagues he's worth a shot if you have an open roster spot, but not worth dropping anyone who might provide value.

 

Cingrani didn't have enough variety of pitches.   That was his undoing.  He was essentially a fastball only guy. 

 

Wood is a decent comp.   I think Wood's stuff is better but I suspect JL's command is better. 

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12 minutes ago, BMcP said:

If he has better command than Wood, he is a must-own in all leagues immediately 

 

Really don't know honestly.   I'm just going on scouting reports.   Looking forward to watching him tonight. 

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5 hours ago, BMcP said:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/3/11/5493594/tony-cingrani-and-dominating-with-the-four-seam-fastball

 

His delivery may have been somewhat deceptive, but it was the late movement on the FB that contributed most to his effectiveness.

 That article is making an assumption on the results because it did move. His delivery was for sure one of the more deceptive out there in the day.  

 

It was why he could throw the ball up in the zone so often. They were usually late when he went up the ladder.  It made him LOOK like he was throwing 96-98 MPH when he was only throwing 92-93. So the truth is in the middle.

 

Here were the guys in 2013 with H-Movement within .5 of Cingrani's

 

Cingrani  10.5   SwStr 92.9 MPH (9.2 VM)

Price  8.3  SwStr   94.6 MPH (8.3 VM)

Moore 6.8 SwStr  93.3 MPH   (11.0 VM)

Corbin 6.5 SwStr   93.0 MPH  (9.5 VM)

Holland 5.8 SwStr  94.6 MPH   (10.0 VM)

Locke 4.1 SwStr   91.3 MPH  (9.9 VM)

 

Which the exception of Holland and Cingrani the SwStr laddar correlates with Velo. (Probably because Holland/Locke lived down in the zone instead of up) Nor did he have the secondary pitches some of these guys had to keep hitters off-balance.. I also just realized all these guys are LHP.

 

This research also lead to a separate question, are southpaws more naturally adept at H-Movement? or does the Pitch FX have a bias/error and inflates Southpaws?

 

What does this mean for Lucchesi? Well if he has deception, he may have higher perceived velocity and he already throws Mid-90s. Sounds great, however he really needs to throw up the ladder often to really make the most of it like Cingrani did.

 

 

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Like virtually all pitchers who experience success at the ML level (save rare exceptions, like someone with a Chapman FB), Lucchesi incorporates elements of deception into his delivery.  But just to be perfectly clear, he doesn’t “rely” on an unorthodox delivery for his success.  He has a varied, above-average arsenal with solid command of all offerings.  Anytime you find a lefty who can ramp up a FB into the mid-90s, he has the potential to be special - and you can say with certainty he is much more than just a deception artist.

 

Seriously, my last word on this - let’s just enjoy watching this kid pitch.

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