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1 hour ago, Axe Elf said:

 

Because it's a lot more likely.  We concern ourselves with likelihoods here.

 

The last guy the Giants drafted to be their bellcow averaged 2.2 ypc last year.

 

If you realistically think Saquon Barkley will average 2.4 ypc you are a blindly ignorant turd

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1 hour ago, Axe Elf said:

 

Because it's a lot more likely.  We concern ourselves with likelihoods here.

 

The last guy the Giants drafted to be their bellcow averaged 2.2 ypc last year.

Who are you referring to? Wayne gallman?

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54 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

Long gone ... and yes they do : Saquon Barkley 

 

"He is unique for me because he has quickness and he has speed. He can score touchdowns from any part of the field and he has a couple of things I am looking for," Shurmur said. "Number one, he can catch the football. That is first and foremost. He has great vision, and then he has what we call in coaching 'collision balance.' When he goes through the hole and someone tries to tackle him, he can keep his balance … This is a guy that can do everything."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/saquon-barkley-versatility-giants-excited-potential-article-1.3962382%3FoutputType%3Damp

 

I have his floor at 60 receptions (3-5 / game) 

 

His OC under Shurmur - the guy who gave Mccaffrey 80 receptions 

FWIW, Shurmer didn't have Odell, Sterling, and Engram at his disposal. 

 

He lost Olsen, and was left with Funchess as his other best option. 

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30 minutes ago, bhawks489 said:

Who are you referring to? Wayne gallman?

 

I thought Paul Perkins was more heralded out of UCLA, but you're right, they did choose Gallman a year later and 9 picks higher than they chose Perkins.

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45 minutes ago, paulwall29 said:

If you realistically think Saquon Barkley will average 2.4 ypc you are a blindly ignorant turd

 

I think it's a lot more realistic than 7.2 ypc--and anyway, I was just making the point that unless you have a Point Per Carry scoring system, 300 carries doesn't mean much by itself--it's what you DO with those carries that earns points in fantasy football.

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3 minutes ago, Axe Elf said:

 

I thought Paul Perkins was more heralded out of UCLA, but you're right, they did choose Gallman a year later and 9 picks higher than they chose Perkins.

Don't sleep on 2012s David Wilson 

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1 minute ago, bhawks489 said:

Don't sleep on 2012s David Wilson 

 

lol  Yeah--I warned people off of him as best I could, but you know how some of these people are with their rookie RBs--especially if they play in New York.

 

He managed 3.3 ypc in 2013.

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24 minutes ago, Experienced Rookie said:

FWIW, Shurmer didn't have Odell, Sterling, and Engram at his disposal. 

 

He lost Olsen, and was left with Funchess as his other best option. 

 

No just Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph 

 

and yes, they only featured their top 10 pick RB because of lack of options 

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11 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

No just Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph 

 

and yes, they only featured their top 10 pick RB because of lack of options 

Hold on here. 

 

Shurmur was the Vikings O coordinator in 2017. 

 

How did he give McCaff all those receptions if he was in Minnesota?

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39 minutes ago, Experienced Rookie said:

Hold on here. 

 

Shurmur was the Vikings O coordinator in 2017. 

 

How did he give McCaff all those receptions if he was in Minnesota?

 

Shurmur is the Giants headcoach - who loves a 3 down back that thrives in the passing game 

 

Shula is the OC - he was the OC in Carolina 

 

the point: Barkley’s offensive coaches + his skill set = a lot of receptions 

 

bonus: Barkley practiced extensively at receiver during OTAs closed to the media. And I don’t just mean lining up in the slot a few times

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4 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

Shurmur is the Giants headcoach - who loves a 3 down back that thrives in the passing game 

 

Shula is the OC - he was the OC in Carolina 

 

the point: Barkley’s offensive coaches + his skill set = a lot of receptions 

I got all twisted up there when you said Shurmur gave McCaff all those receptions. It was Shula. I follow now. 

 

My point remains. McCaff is essentially a 3rd down type specialist. His 2017 was destined for tons of targets when Olsen went down. The receiving corps is WAY better in NY than Car. 

 

Still only one ball to go around here. Odell is gonna eat, and if he doesn't, he'll likely become a locker room cancer. 

 

Shephard and Engram will both see a decent amount of targets as well. 

 

Ive noticed that every projection you have for Barkley is on the high side. Nothing wrong with that, but you're probably going to end up disappointed when he has 235 carries and 37 receptions while you're expecting 300 and 50. 

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6 minutes ago, Experienced Rookie said:

I got all twisted up there when you said Shurmur gave McCaff all those receptions. It was Shula. I follow now. 

 

My point remains. McCaff is essentially a 3rd down type specialist. His 2017 was destined for tons of targets when Olsen went down. The receiving corps is WAY better in NY than Car. 

 

Still only one ball to go around here. Odell is gonna eat, and if he doesn't, he'll likely become a locker room cancer. 

 

Shephard and Engram will both see a decent amount of targets as well. 

 

Ive noticed that every projection you have for Barkley is on the high side. Nothing wrong with that, but you're probably going to end up disappointed when he has 235 carries and 37 receptions while you're expecting 300 and 50. 

 

If you honestly don’t think Barkley touches the ball 20 times a game, you’re delusional. 

 

There is is no way he plays 16 games and has less than 300 touches.

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42 minutes ago, Experienced Rookie said:

I got all twisted up there when you said Shurmur gave McCaff all those receptions. It was Shula. I follow now. 

 

My point remains. McCaff is essentially a 3rd down type specialist. His 2017 was destined for tons of targets when Olsen went down. The receiving corps is WAY better in NY than Car. 

 

Still only one ball to go around here. Odell is gonna eat, and if he doesn't, he'll likely become a locker room cancer. 

 

Shephard and Engram will both see a decent amount of targets as well. 

 

Ive noticed that every projection you have for Barkley is on the high side. Nothing wrong with that, but you're probably going to end up disappointed when he has 235 carries and 37 receptions while you're expecting 300 and 50. 

 

Minnesota had 2 very good WRs and a good TE too. 

 

Dalvin Cook averaged 21 touches/game (counting the injury shortened game) for Shurmur last year - despite the supporting cast. He is going to be fed. 

 

15 carries 3-5 receptions will be his weekly floor. He is going to catch an absurd amount of passes in this offense. 

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2 minutes ago, not an nfl scout said:

cant see anyone of the picks after barkley at seven.........that would be a gaurentee to do anything more than taking a chance on barkley?????

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

Better luck next year!

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i think the most amusing part of this whole summer is the drooling over Kamara - when Barkley has literally the exact same skill set - only bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic.

 

literally in 2017 2 rookies were top 5 fantasy backs ... but oh no way Barkley can be right away. I hear he "Dances too much"

 

there's a reason PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GIANTS FANS AND HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THE ORGANIZATION WHATSOEVER REFER TO HIM AS THE BEST RUNNING BACK PROSPECT IN DECADES, INCLUDING KAMARA'S OWN HEAD COACH 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

there's a reason PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GIANTS FANS AND HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THE ORGANIZATION WHATSOEVER REFER TO HIM AS THE BEST RUNNING BACK PROSPECT IN DECADES, INCLUDING KAMARA'S OWN HEAD COACH 

 

And he may very well go from the best RB prospect to the best axual RB since Marshall Faulk--but right now, there are smarter picks to be made in 1.07 territory.

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11 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

15 carries per game, 4 YPC:

960 rush yards

 

4 receptions per game, 10 YPC:

640 receiving yards 

 

1500 total yards ... at least.

 

 

I wish:

 

1. That I knew you in person

 

2. That you were insanely wealthy

 

3. That you loved to gamble. 

 

I would torture you with over/under bets. 

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27 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

4 receptions per game, 10 YPC:

640 receiving yards 

 

10 yards per catch seems awfully optimistic.  Tarik Cohen and Dion Lewis only averaged 6.7 yards per catch last year.

 

Shane Vereen, Wayne Gallman and Paul Perkins averaged 5.8, 5.7 and 5.8 yards per catch respectively for the Giants last year.

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5 minutes ago, Axe Elf said:

 

10 yards per catch seems awfully optimistic.  Tarik Cohen and Dion Lewis only averaged 6.7 yards per catch last year.

 

Shane Vereen, Wayne Gallman and Paul Perkins averaged 5.8, 5.7 and 5.8 yards per catch respectively for the Giants last year.

And rashad Jennings had 10.2 y/c 

 

kamara also had 10.2 y/c

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5 minutes ago, Axe Elf said:

 

10 yards per catch seems awfully optimistic.  Tarik Cohen and Dion Lewis only averaged 6.7 yards per catch last year.

 

Shane Vereen, Wayne Gallman and Paul Perkins averaged 5.8, 5.7 and 5.8 yards per catch respectively for the Giants last year.

Leveon Bell is one of the best receiving RBs in the league. 

 

He's never averaged 10 yards per catch. 

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