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Bring back Rivero. Vazquez sucks. 

This thread is already a complete mess, but a lot of people seem to enjoy the mess.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Dominiguez has been good - but like mentioned above - he won't slide into the 9th this early. If you're trying to decide between he and Ramos, Ramos is the easy choice.

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I don't always agree with rotoprofessor, but here is their take.

 

http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=36032

 

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Prioritizing The “New” Closers After Sunday’s Action: Is Bruce Rondon & Others Worth Owning?

 

by Eric Stashin (aka The Rotoprofessor)

There are potentially three new closers coming out of Sunday’s action, but does that mean that they are all worth grabbing immediately?  Let’s prioritize the options and take a look at who is for real, who is a mirage and who doesn’t really hold the role as of today:

 

1) Bruce Rondon – Chicago White Sox
It’s clear that there’s a change coming in Chicago, as the two veterans they were utilizing have failed to step up and claim the role:

  • Joakim Soria – 4.38 ERA, 1.38 WHIP
  • Nate Jones – 4.11 ERA, 1.30 WHIP

 

Of course it’s not like Rondon has been stellar himself, with a 4.11 ERA and 1.38 WHIP over 13.0 IP.  Long considered a potential closer of the future, he entered yesterday’s save chance with a 5.25 BB/9 and having not yet allowed a home run (despite a 41.9% groundball rate).  Sure there was some bad luck (55.6% strand rate), but if he has control and home run issues there’s going to be significant risk.

He has found his control of late, with 1 BB over his past 6.1 IP, so that’s not to say that there isn’t potential.  He’s well worth taking the flier on, though don’t overlook the potential of Jace Fry stepping up and pushing him for opportunities before long (he could get “knocked” for being left-handed, but he has 6 K vs. 1 BB over 5.0 IP in the Majors after 11 K vs. 0 BB in 6.2 IP at Triple-A prior to his recall).

 

2) Jim Johnson – Los Angeles Angels
It appears Keyan Middleton is ticketed back to the DL, and that sends the Angels bullpen into a state of flux once again.  It makes sense for the team to go out and acquire some stability for the back of their bullpen, but it remains to be seen if they will have that opportunity (or how costly it would be in the middle of May).  Johnson got a save on May 10, but he was charged with a blown save the next day (he allowed an inherited runner to score) and then struggled yesterday (2 H/2 BB over 1.0 IP).  It’s possible he’s first in line, but he’s hardly the only alternative:

  • Cam Bedrosian
  • Blake Parker
  • Justin Anderson (though he’s struggled after being a hot addition when Middleton went down the first time)

Lefty Jose Alvarez has been the team’s best reliever, though he could be viewed more as a matchup play.  At this point Johnson is as good as a bet as any, but given the failures of all of the candidates ultimately the team will likely add an alternative (like Kelvin Herrera or Raisel Iglesias).

 

3) Edubray Ramos – Philadelphia Phillies
After he picked up save on Sunday it would appear like Ramos had leapfrogged Neris to claim the closer’s role in Philadelphia.  However don’t be so quick to make that assumption…  No, that doesn’t mean that the next save is going to go to Neris, but it also doesn’t mean that it will.  Instead this appears to be headed towards a full blown committee, as noted by Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer (click here for the article):

Kapler reminded the righthander before Saturday’s rainout of the conversation they had at spring training about the manager’s vision of a bullpen without roles.  No designated closer. No designated set-up man. Just relievers used in optimal situations based on matchups.  Sunday — with Neris watching from the bullpen as Edubray Ramos earned his first save — would be the first step in the manager’s vision becoming reality. The Phillies no longer have a defined closer.

The article gives a slew of names who could potentially be in the late inning mix:

  • Edubray Ramos
  • Hector Neris
  • Seranthony Dominguez
  • Tommy Hunter
  • Luis Garcia

That’s already five options to try and maneuver through, and right now trying to predict who will get the save on a day-to-day basis is going to be nearly impossible to do.  This situation appears to be a complete mess from a fantasy perspective, and is one that we’d want to avoid.

 

 

for the Angels situation. if Jim Johnson gets the job he does have value. one could pick up Johnson and keep him on the bench until something is established. if he gets the job and one still doesn't trust him, then use him in a trade to someone that needs a closer.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

I don't always agree with rotoprofessor, but here is their take.

 

http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=36032

 

 

 

for the Angels situation. if Jim Johnson gets the job he does have value. one could pick up Johnson and keep him on the bench until something is established. if he gets the job and one still doesn't trust him, then use him in a trade to someone that needs a closer.

 

 

 

Also known as the greg holland approach

 

...who I'm currently wasting a bench spot on

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From a spec pickup standpoint, Ramos seems like a no brainer, especially since Kapler went to him over Hunter and Garcia.  Sure he could blow up or this could be a committee, but Ramos should absolutely be picked first in that pen.

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5 minutes ago, collucho said:

Should I drop Neris or wait and see? Don't think I'm in dire need of 4 closers. 

Kind of a Bench Coach question.

 

This is not the thread to ask if you should drop a guy who hasn't officially lost the job.

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I'm thinking in 3 or 4 years the majority of teams will have closer by committee.  The newer managers are more analytic, and don't appear to be going with set closers. Makes sense for actual baseball reasons, for fantasy reasons it's going to be interesting.

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48 minutes ago, murraygd13 said:

I'm thinking in 3 or 4 years the majority of teams will have closer by committee.  The newer managers are more analytic, and don't appear to be going with set closers. Makes sense for actual baseball reasons, for fantasy reasons it's going to be interesting.

 

That’s why all leagues should count holds at this point.

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14 minutes ago, 9703 said:

 

That’s why all leagues should count holds at this point.

Or just combine them. I much prefer NSVH. That way you can get credit for a hold or save and not be tied down to just one specific RP. Too much RP talent that gets overlooked cuz of one statistic. Guys like Ottavino and Edwards JR get over looked in fantasy cuz they don’t get saves but the twins combined can equal a dominant pitcher for fantasy with their Ks and solid ratios. 

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[ Really not the place to debate league formats, guys.  Holds leagues and NSVH leagues have advantages and drawbacks that have been litigated many times elsewhere. ]

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1 minute ago, tonycpsu said:

[ Really not the place to debate league formats, guys.  Holds leagues and NSVH leagues have advantages and drawbacks that have been litigated many times elsewhere. ]

Agreed.  But as more teams take a closers by committee approach, this thread is going to be a complete mess.  

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Just now, tonycpsu said:

 

This thread is already a complete mess, but a lot of people seem to enjoy the mess.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lol this is true.  I do enjoy it,  but my blood pressure doesn’t ?

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Viz has nothing to worry about.

 

Minter is lefty Rodney.

 

0-2 hbp lol.

 

Lineout ends it...

 

His two saves this year haven't look good. He throws hard. That's it.

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