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Jarvis Landry would probably fall into this category for me. He's currently a late 5th rounder in PPR and I like him more than most of the WRs going in the 4th. I get that he's in Cleveland but every year people doubt this guy and every year he produces. At some point people are going to have to accept the fact that he's a high end WR2 in PPR. 84 receptions is his career low.

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3 minutes ago, Geaux Saints said:

Jarvis Landry would probably fall into this category for me. He's currently a late 5th rounder in PPR and I like him more than most of the WRs going in the 4th. I get that he's in Cleveland but every year people doubt this guy and every year he produces. At some point people are going to have to accept the fact that he's a high end WR2 in PPR. 84 receptions is his career low.

I feel like Landry is a candidate to slide in the rankings, but I would be real happy with him on my team.  

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31 minutes ago, dmb3684 said:

Huh?

 

He means, who would you reach for in a snake draft, choosing a player ahead of his ADP to ensure you’ll get him, or paying more than the going price for a player in auction. Yes, the thread has room for growth in explaining intentions.

 

Last night, I saw leaguemates reaching for Penny and Michel and Burkhead and Hyde. Not me. Lotta question marks there (for me) to reach.

 

I find myself reaching for GTate in PPR. 

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4 minutes ago, cohenstantinople said:

 

He means, who would you reach for in a snake draft, choosing a player ahead of his ADP to ensure you’ll get him, or paying more than the going price for a player in auction. Yes, the thread has room for growth in explaining intentions.

 

Last night, I saw leaguemates reaching for Penny and Michel and Burkhead and Hyde. Not me. Lotta question marks there (for me) to reach.

 

I find myself reaching for GTate in PPR. 

 

I understood, 

Just seems redundant.

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11 minutes ago, dmb3684 said:

 

I understood, 

Just seems redundant.

 

I guess so. Then again, Rotoworld is founded on redundancy.

 

It is just another way of saying, Who do you like? or Who are your sleepers? In snake drafts, though, the surprise comes with the pick, and in auctions it sometimes turns into a bidding war, usually foolishly. Was in an auction last week and two leaguemates were warring over Hyde (why?), me just sitting there watching the numbers get stupidly high. Axe was one of the two, though he bailed eventually, and the guy who bought Hyde could have had McKinnon, Freeman, McCafferey, or Howard for less.

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Jarvis Landry is good player who benefits from being force fed an absurd amount of targets ... which isn’t going to happen as long as Josh Gordon stays on the field / out of trouble.

 

I’ll gladly let others reach for past production.

 

Kelvin Benjamin is a name I’ll likely “reach” on ... healthy, still enormous, not much else to throw to for a team that should see plenty of garbage time

 

 

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I really like this thread. The majority of the draft but in particular the first round, will look nothing like the following year.  Players are going to bust, others will exceed expectations.  If you like a guy, take him where you want to regardless of "reaching" according to ADP lists or rankings.  

There's still a lot to learn once camp gets under way.  Who id be willing to reach for would be:

Guice, Chubb, Nyheim Hines

Will Fuller, Robby Anderson, Hurns (will be paying attention to Gallup in camp)

Engram, Reed 

 

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19 hours ago, RMJ_12 said:

This thread has really made me think.

 

I don't really LOVE anybody this year.  

 

Wait till you see some rookies blow up the preseason.  

 

But, yeah I agree.  Although I do find Guice and Trey Burton interesting.

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Jordan Matthews- Gets to be #2 WR for 4 weeks (he lacks the familiarity but from a talent perspective I see no reason he couldn't supplant Hogan as #1 WR), Amendola and Cooks are gone (taking 200 targets with them) and although Edelman is back who knows how well he plays after the injury. Additionally Gronk isn't the pinnacle of health. For these reasons Hogan isn't a bad gamble either but I'll take Matthews who has a much lower price tag, should man the slot, when he was healthy in Philly put up 2 WR2 seasons and he is only 25. Hogan is very TD dependent and I don't like relying on TDs for WR in PPR especially on a team like Pats with so many weapons. 

 

Jamison Crowder- Should be a PPR monster with Smith at the helm who likes the dink and dunk passes. 

 

Jordan Reed- The health risk is always there but I think that is accounted for in his price. If I miss out on top 3 TE I'll be scooping up Reed who has their ability in probably the shallowest position. The catches and yards he gets puts him in elite category for TE.

 

Rex Burkhead- Dion Lewis and now Sony Michel get the attention but Burkhead put together a strong season despite missing 6 games and limited role. I don't expect Michel to set the world ablaze right out of the gate and he has well documented fumbling issues which can easily get him in the dog house so I think Burkhead isn't a bad gamble especially since he reportedly is the GL favorite to start the season.

 

D.J. Moore- Late round flier but I see some Steve Smith in him and I think he could emerge as the top WR on Panthers. It isn't clear how much value that role holds with Olsen and McCaffrey likely getting significant target share but at his price he just has to be a WR3 to pay off.

 

Charles Clay- Few TEs especially as late as he is going are as high in the target pecking order as Clay will be. His high number of targets and subsequently catches and yards give him a solid floor for a position that this late in the draft is very TD dependent. 

 

Mike/Tyrell Williams- Keenan Allen and Melvin Gordon can't catch every pass. Mike Williams has the better pedigree as #7 pick last year and is a little bigger but Tyrell has produced in this league and is the better value. I like both as big receivers (both atleast 6ft 3) with Henry out especially since Allen isn't a big TD guy and has struggled with injuries in the past.

 

Michael Gallup- Somebody has to catch the ball in Dallas and Gallup based off his size/speed combo and college numbers excites me a lot more than JAG Allen Hurns and has a later ADP to boot.

 

Kenneth Dixon- Dude flashed too much upside in his rookie year to not take a late flier on him. Ravens mixed in other RBs a decent amount with Collins so I think Dixon will get some looks and I think he has the ability to steal the job without an injury occurring. 

 

Matt Breida- I'll give him a look since I don't think McKinnon can be a true bell cow and if they treat him like one I'm not convinced he lasts the whole season. Even in the Tevin Coleman role he could easily out perform his ADP.

 

Nyheim Hines- Wide open backfield, hearing Darren Sproles comparisons, coaches want him all over the field and Luck looks like he may finally be coming back. Things will become clearer in preseason but as is at his ADP doesn't sound like a bad late round flier.

 

Kalen Ballage- Kenyan Drake looked great to end the season but I don't think he can be a true workhorse back and Miami giving more snaps to Damian Williams (before he got injured) last year and then drafting Ballage and signing Gore is an indication they feel the same. Gore doesn't really scare me but Ballage at 6ft 3 228lbs and a sub 4.50 40 yd dash is a scary for his opposition and has a scary upside. Additionally he is a guy who excels in the passing game so he could find himself in that Damian Williams role early on. 

 

Spencer Ware- He was very good in his first two years and while Hunt has run away the job that originally looked like it was Ware's if Hunt flounders again like he did last year Ware could take his job. Reid is no stranger to splitting the backfield either so Ware could carve out some stand alone value in addition to being one of the best handcuffs in the league.

 

Stills, Lockett, Zay Jones and Amendola are some other later guys I like that I'll have no problem getting a little early since I think they are that big of steals at current ADP. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jaw1 said:

Jordan Matthews- Gets to be #2 WR for 4 weeks (he lacks the familiarity but from a talent perspective I see no reason he couldn't supplant Hogan as #1 WR), Amendola and Cooks are gone (taking 200 targets with them) and although Edelman is back who knows how well he plays after the injury. Additionally Gronk isn't the pinnacle of health. For these reasons Hogan isn't a bad gamble either but I'll take Matthews who has a much lower price tag, should man the slot, when he was healthy in Philly put up 2 WR2 seasons and he is only 25. Hogan is very TD dependent and I don't like relying on TDs for WR in PPR especially on a team like Pats with so many weapons. 

 

Jamison Crowder- Should be a PPR monster with Smith at the helm who likes the dink and dunk passes. 

 

Jordan Reed- The health risk is always there but I think that is accounted for in his price. If I miss out on top 3 TE I'll be scooping up Reed who has their ability in probably the shallowest position. The catches and yards he gets puts him in elite category for TE.

 

Rex Burkhead- Dion Lewis and now Sony Michel get the attention but Burkhead put together a strong season despite missing 6 games and limited role. I don't expect Michel to set the world ablaze right out of the gate and he has well documented fumbling issues which can easily get him in the dog house so I think Burkhead isn't a bad gamble especially since he reportedly is the GL favorite to start the season.

 

D.J. Moore- Late round flier but I see some Steve Smith in him and I think he could emerge as the top WR on Panthers. It isn't clear how much value that role holds with Olsen and McCaffrey likely getting significant target share but at his price he just has to be a WR3 to pay off.

 

Charles Clay- Few TEs especially as late as he is going are as high in the target pecking order as Clay will be. His high number of targets and subsequently catches and yards give him a solid floor for a position that this late in the draft is very TD dependent. 

 

Mike/Tyrell Williams- Keenan Allen and Melvin Gordon can't catch every pass. Mike Williams has the better pedigree as #7 pick last year and is a little bigger but Tyrell has produced in this league and is the better value. I like both as big receivers (both atleast 6ft 3) with Henry out especially since Allen isn't a big TD guy and has struggled with injuries in the past.

 

Michael Gallup- Somebody has to catch the ball in Dallas and Gallup based off his size/speed combo and college numbers excites me a lot more than JAG Allen Hurns and has a later ADP to boot.

 

Kenneth Dixon- Dude flashed too much upside in his rookie year to not take a late flier on him. Ravens mixed in other RBs a decent amount with Collins so I think Dixon will get some looks and I think he has the ability to steal the job without an injury occurring. 

 

Matt Breida- I'll give him a look since I don't think McKinnon can be a true bell cow and if they treat him like one I'm not convinced he lasts the whole season. Even in the Tevin Coleman role he could easily out perform his ADP.

 

Nyheim Hines- Wide open backfield, hearing Darren Sproles comparisons, coaches want him all over the field and Luck looks like he may finally be coming back. Things will become clearer in preseason but as is at his ADP doesn't sound like a bad late round flier.

 

Kalen Ballage- Kenyan Drake looked great to end the season but I don't think he can be a true workhorse back and Miami giving more snaps to Damian Williams (before he got injured) last year and then drafting Ballage and signing Gore is an indication they feel the same. Gore doesn't really scare me but Ballage at 6ft 3 228lbs and a sub 4.50 40 yd dash is a scary for his opposition and has a scary upside. Additionally he is a guy who excels in the passing game so he could find himself in that Damian Williams role early on. 

 

Spencer Ware- He was very good in his first two years and while Hunt has run away the job that originally looked like it was Ware's if Hunt flounders again like he did last year Ware could take his job. Reid is no stranger to splitting the backfield either so Ware could carve out some stand alone value in addition to being one of the best handcuffs in the league.

 

Stills, Lockett, Zay Jones and Amendola are some other later guys I like that I'll have no problem getting a little early since I think they are that big of steals at current ADP. 

 

 

 

Nice post. On board with a lot of these guys. Reed, Zay, Lockett, Crowder, Ware are all guys on my radar.

 

Not sure Breida is the guy to own if McKinnon can't handle the load. Prob drafting J. Williams instead.

 

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44 minutes ago, Panthers8912 said:

The guy making all these kicker threads now says he wants to reach for Cohen. Can’t say I’m surprised 

 

Kickers are people too, Greg the leg was special last year. I likely will own many different kickers over many different leagues but if I am sold on one I will add another thread but likely will just take what is there in the last or 2nd last rnd or maybe even 3rd last if I have all sorts of late round options left/likely to go undrafted.

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