chud12 4,076 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 So Lavine said his ankle is at 80 percent right now yet it looks like he’s playing snd the training staff is okay with it, odd stuff going on just so he can play against his former team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sleepysock 811 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, chud12 said: So Lavine said his ankle is at 80 percent right now yet it looks like he’s playing snd the training staff is okay with it, odd stuff going on just so he can play against his former team. I believe this is the same training staff that nearly killed Luol Deng. Comparatively, this is nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Zach LaVine (ankle) active Wednesday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLove 54 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Nice first game back. and back EARLY! could it be possible that this guy can become an efficient scorer???? Still doesn't do much on the defensive end but he looks smooth out there 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,517 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 still cant understand why this dude cant avg 1.2+ steals with his athleticism and xplosiveness 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLove 54 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, colepenhagen said: still cant understand why this dude cant avg 1.2+ steals with his athleticism and xplosiveness Possibly because it isn't important to him? He clearly doesn't focus on the defensive end. With that said, I AGREE! With as many mins as he plays and as athletic as he is... He should definitely be able to get some steals just by shooting the gaps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DLove said: Possibly because it isn't important to him? He clearly doesn't focus on the defensive end. With that said, I AGREE! With as many mins as he plays and as athletic as he is... He should definitely be able to get some steals just by shooting the gaps John Collins says hi. 😁 Defense just is not important to most players. Edited January 3, 2019 by chud12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socal.trades714@yahoo.com 127 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Buy-low? Or will he not return to his top 30 value with Chicago getting healthy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wallacesnoop 377 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, socal.trades714@yahoo.com said: Buy-low? Or will he not return to his top 30 value with Chicago getting healthy? I wouldn't pay anything higher than top 60 value for him. All his numbers are trending the wrong way since Lauri and Dunn came back, and the Bulls have a bad fantasy PO schedule to boot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, wallacesnoop said: I wouldn't pay anything higher than top 60 value for him. All his numbers are trending the wrong way since Lauri and Dunn came back, and the Bulls have a bad fantasy PO schedule to boot. It's not only that the Bulls got healthy, its Boylan's system. Much slower pace means less open shots, fewer transition shots, fewer possessions and there feeding Robin Lopez in the post a lot. It's a isshh show as he plays for the worst coach in the NBA taking the reigns from Bickerstaff in Memphis. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, chud12 said: It's not only that the Bulls got healthy, its Boylan's system. Much slower pace means less open shots, fewer transition shots, fewer possessions and there feeding Robin Lopez in the post a lot. It's a isshh show as he plays for the worst coach in the NBA taking the reigns from Bickerstaff in Memphis. As I posted in the Holliday thread... "Since Boylen took over as the head coach in Chicago the Bulls have seen their pace slow down from 100.8 to 96.4, and their 3-point attempts have dipped from 29.3 to 22.9, with Boylen often preferring post-ups from Robin Lopez rather than transition buckets from his younger, more athletic players." Edited January 3, 2019 by chud12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 16 hours ago, colepenhagen said: still cant understand why this dude cant avg 1.2+ steals with his athleticism and xplosiveness Would you say the same about Blake Griffin on blocks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,517 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, NBA_OG said: Would you say the same about Blake Griffin on blocks? theres a difference between blks and steals. just because you can jump and are tall doesn't translate to blks. steals is more effort than blks. see every other point guard only jamal murray, lillard and lavine don't avg 1+ steals (top 25 for min played) im sure there are a lot more center in the top 25 for min played that don't avg 1 blk (blake love adams Draymond Ayton joker Collins randal wcs. TT so basically comparing blks and steals makes no sense at all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nate1213 30 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Are we expecting an uptick in production after this trade? In negotiations to trade Jokic for Julius Randle and Lavine. Not sure how I feel about Lavine ROS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Nate1213 said: Are we expecting an uptick in production after this trade? In negotiations to trade Jokic for Julius Randle and Lavine. Not sure how I feel about Lavine ROS. The trade has zero to do with Lavine. Holiday was a very low usage player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, colepenhagen said: theres a difference between blks and steals. just because you can jump and are tall doesn't translate to blks. All the best blockers are tall and jump well. Why not Blake? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richg24 1,773 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Nate1213 said: Are we expecting an uptick in production after this trade? In negotiations to trade Jokic for Julius Randle and Lavine. Not sure how I feel about Lavine ROS. Jokic for Randle and Lavine is one of the worst trades I have ever heard of in my life I can't believe you would consider it for more than 1 millisecond. 1 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pyschout 186 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, richg24 said: Jokic for Randle and Lavine is one of the worst trades I have ever heard of in my life I can't believe you would consider it for more than 1 millisecond. I want to like this more than once. Needs like 10 trophies and 15 laughing emojis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Nate1213 said: Are we expecting an uptick in production after this trade? In negotiations to trade Jokic for Julius Randle and Lavine. Not sure how I feel about Lavine ROS. Rook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, richg24 said: Jokic for Randle and Lavine is one of the worst trades I have ever heard of in my life I can't believe you would consider it for more than 1 millisecond. What is the person getting Lavins and Julius actually losing in the deal? Considering he will prob be dropping a fridge asset. The only way I wouldn’t do this deal is if my team was hella stacked and I was worried about Randels role once Miro is back. Your literally gaining a ton in every cat besides turnovers and maybe a small dip in fg percentage. Edited January 4, 2019 by chud12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wallacesnoop 377 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, chud12 said: What is the person getting Lavins and Julius actually losing in the deal? Considering he will prob be dropping a fridge asset. The only way I wouldn’t do this deal is if my team was hella stacked and I was worried about Randels role once Miro is back. Your literally gaining a ton in every cat besides turnovers and maybe a small dip in fg percentage. Lavine has barely been a top-100 player this past month - those players can be found on the wire (Satoransky, for example). I'd much rather have Jokic/Satoransky than Randle/Lavine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, wallacesnoop said: Lavine has barely been a top-100 player this past month - those players can be found on the wire (Satoransky, for example). I'd much rather have Jokic/Satoransky than Randle/Lavine. Lavine has played 4 games in the past 3 1/2 weeks so those rankings are skewed mightily. Rankings in standard settings are pretty much a joke. Anyway with certain guys. (Satoransky last year) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wallacesnoop 377 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, chud12 said: Lavine has played 4 games in the past 3 1/2 weeks so those rankings are skewed mightily. Rankings in standard settings are pretty much a joke. Anyway with certain guys. (Satoransky last year) Yes, in standard settings TOs are overvalued - but even if punting TO Lavine is probably a top 40-50 player while Randle is a top 75 player - still not enough for Davis who at worst might be #2 (behind Harden) in that setting. It does close the gap quite a bit though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chud12 4,076 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, wallacesnoop said: Yes, in standard settings TOs are overvalued - but even if punting TO Lavine is probably a top 40-50 player while Randle is a top 75 player - still not enough for Jokic who at worst might be #2 (behind Harden) in that setting. It does close the gap quite a bit though... You mean Jokic and like I said I’d only do the deal if I needed depth. Jokic is obviously by far the best player in the deal but people laughing at the trade really shouldn’t. The owner trading away Jokic is gaining a ton in a nice amount of cats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wallacesnoop 377 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, chud12 said: You mean Jokic and like I said I’d only do the deal if I needed depth. Jokic is obviously by far the best player in the deal but people laughing at the trade really shouldn’t. The owner trading away Jokic is gaining a ton in a nice amount of cats. Whoops, Jokic, who is top 10. You make a fair point though. Another thing to consider is Lavine/Randle have 3/3/3 PO schedules while Jokic has one of the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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