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17 hours ago, Guwop said:

So basically because people weren't able to snag league winners off of waivers the whole system should be done away with? Lmao. 

 

I bet if they were the ones with those waiver adds they'd be singing a different tune. 

 

We had that issue in my league and they changed it to FAAB thinking that would fix things but there were still high amounts of transactions because people looked ahead and made stashes in advance. Waiver wire management is just as much of a skill as drafting is because wire adds also bust and can cost you the playoffs/championship 

 

 

That's not what I'm saying at all.  There is no skill to add/drops when there is no consequence for a wasted pickup.  In my league, Damien Williams, Jackson from LA, Samuels from the Steelers, etc. are all still on waivers because every team maxed out their add/drops prior to Week 14.  Nobody has those players in a season long re-draft, the way it should be in my opinion.  And if a team was able to survive the attrition of an NFL season by having a remaining add/drop, they were all ripe for the taking, and they would have earned them at that point.

 

People are on this thread speaking as if benches don't exist.  "What happens if player so and so gets hurt?"  Easy, play a bench guy.  Leagues should have larger benches, fewer add/drops.  When Josh Gordon devistatingly vanishes mid-week, and you can just pick up Josh Richardson like it never happened, what is the whole point of this game?

 

I don't know if it was last year or the year before, but Tim freaking Hightower single handedly won people championships, and he wasn't even on an NFL roster the first 10 weeks of the season.  Just one mans opinion, but clearly disagreed with by people starting Damien Williams and Jaylen Samuels in a Championship game as if they deserve any credit for that.

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1 hour ago, The_Truth_Returns said:

 

 

 

That's not what I'm saying at all.  There is no skill to add/drops when there is no consequence for a wasted pickup.  In my league, Damien Williams, Jackson from LA, Samuels from the Steelers, etc. are all still on waivers because every team maxed out their add/drops prior to Week 14.  Nobody has those players in a season long re-draft, the way it should be in my opinion.  And if a team was able to survive the attrition of an NFL season by having a remaining add/drop, they were all ripe for the taking, and they would have earned them at that point.

 

People are on this thread speaking as if benches don't exist.  "What happens if player so and so gets hurt?"  Easy, play a bench guy.  Leagues should have larger benches, fewer add/drops.  When Josh Gordon devistatingly vanishes mid-week, and you can just pick up Josh Richardson like it never happened, what is the whole point of this game?

 

I don't know if it was last year or the year before, but Tim freaking Hightower single handedly won people championships, and he wasn't even on an NFL roster the first 10 weeks of the season.  Just one mans opinion, but clearly disagreed with by people starting Damien Williams and Jaylen Samuels in a Championship game as if they deserve any credit for that.

That's the game, man.  If you don't like it, play something else.  I can personally tell you that fantasy baseball is far more skewed towards skill than luck.  Give it a shot.

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Just now, JJ1223 said:

That's the game, man.  If you don't like it, play something else.  I can personally tell you that fantasy baseball is far more skewed towards skill than luck.  Give it a shot.

 

No, it's better to try to tell everyone else that their way of enjoying the game isn't a good way to enjoy the game. I can't be completely happy playing in my FF leagues unless I know that everyone else in the world is playing it and enjoying it in the same way. My own enjoyment depends on that!

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23 minutes ago, Brotherbock said:

 

No, it's better to try to tell everyone else that their way of enjoying the game isn't a good way to enjoy the game. I can't be completely happy playing in my FF leagues unless I know that everyone else in the world is playing it and enjoying it in the same way. My own enjoyment depends on that!

 

I knew my opinion would not be popular.  There is probably some truth to all the counter-arguments that you've all made as well.  Good luck to you all this week.

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38 minutes ago, The_Truth_Returns said:

 

I knew my opinion would not be popular.  There is probably some truth to all the counter-arguments that you've all made as well.  Good luck to you all this week.

 

There's no need for counter-arguments. I just think you'll find that people will pretty much always disagree when you tell them that your way of playing a game is better. But good luck to you too :) No ill will.

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3 minutes ago, Brotherbock said:

 

There's no need for counter-arguments. I just think you'll find that people will pretty much always disagree when you tell them that your way of playing a game is better. But good luck to you too :) No ill will.

 

Wasn't about my way is better.  I'm sure you'll agree a Championship Wk 16 is better than Wk 17.  And that a 14 team league is "better" than an 8.  Maybe that PPR is better than Standard?  It does not diminish the fun all have in those leagues, but the users here preference is certainly Wk 16 and larger/deeper leagues, for legitimate reasons.  We're talking about league settings, reducing it to the "my league is better than your league" counterpoint seems petty, as if nothing I've said has any validity or potential reason worth debating.

 

My league is on its 16th year.  I could go on an equally long tirade against keeper leagues, wouldn't mean everyone in a keeper is playing a subpar version of the game, just means I have logical reasons why I think it is counterproductive.

 

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2 minutes ago, The_Truth_Returns said:

 

Wasn't about my way is better.  I'm sure you'll agree a Championship Wk 16 is better than Wk 17.  And that a 14 team league is "better" than an 8.  Maybe that PPR is better than Standard?  It does not diminish the fun all have in those leagues, but the users here preference is certainly Wk 16 and larger/deeper leagues, for legitimate reasons.  We're talking about league settings, reducing it to the "my league is better than your league" counterpoint seems petty, as if nothing I've said has any validity or potential reason worth debating.

 

My league is on its 16th year.  I could go on an equally long tirade against keeper leagues, wouldn't mean everyone in a keeper is playing a subpar version of the game, just means I have logical reasons why I think it is counterproductive.

 

 

You have reasons, but in the end they are going to be based not on logic but on personal preference. My keeper league has been running since 2001, and we have our reasons for liking it as well. But in the end they aren't 'logical'. They are preference. I also prefer Week 16 championships, but there are people out there who like Week 17, and I'm guessing it's because they like the extra challenge of dealing with Week 17 uncertainties. If they recognize those challenges, and they like those challenges, there's no 'logic' you can give them that will make them say "Oh, yeah, I guess I don't really like what I like". 

 

Now if someone's playing with certain settings, and they are complaining about certain consequences of those settings, it makes sense to explain how a settings change can help. But if I like oranges, it makes no sense for you to try to 'logically' explain to me why bananas are better.

 

If you think that preferences are based on rationality, you're gonna have a hard time. 

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3 minutes ago, Brotherbock said:

 

You have reasons, but in the end they are going to be based not on logic but on personal preference. My keeper league has been running since 2001, and we have our reasons for liking it as well. But in the end they aren't 'logical'. They are preference. I also prefer Week 16 championships, but there are people out there who like Week 17, and I'm guessing it's because they like the extra challenge of dealing with Week 17 uncertainties. If they recognize those challenges, and they like those challenges, there's no 'logic' you can give them that will make them say "Oh, yeah, I guess I don't really like what I like". 

 

Now if someone's playing with certain settings, and they are complaining about certain consequences of those settings, it makes sense to explain how a settings change can help. But if I like oranges, it makes no sense for you to try to 'logically' explain to me why bananas are better.

 

If you think that preferences are based on rationality, you're gonna have a hard time. 

 

Not sure how this turned into some kind of weird philosophy or English debate, but logical reasoning is an actual thing.  If your reasons contain no logic, whether it is subjective or objective, then you are just operating randomly.

 

I take the train to work.  Because I like to avoid traffic, and don't like to pay for parking.

You drive to work.  Because you think trains are filthy, and want to listen to sports radio.

 

Economically, your decision is worse.  If economics are what is most important to you, you'll probably want to consider taking the train.  Works the same way with my anti waiver wire take.  If you prefer less luck in your Season Long Fantasy League outcome, consider lowering the number of waiver transactions in your league and expanding your bench.

 

 

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1 minute ago, The_Truth_Returns said:

 

Not sure how this turned into some kind of weird philosophy or English debate, but logical reasoning is an actual thing.  If your reasons contain no logic, whether it is subjective or objective, then you are just operating randomly.

 

I take the train to work.  Because I like to avoid traffic, and don't like to pay for parking.

You drive to work.  Because you think trains are filthy, and want to listen to sports radio.

 

Economically, your decision is worse.  If economics are what is most important to you, you'll probably want to consider taking the train.  Works the same way with my anti waiver wire take.  If you prefer less luck in your Season Long Fantasy League outcome, consider lowering the number of waiver transactions in your league and expanding your bench.

 

 

 

Right. You're agreeing with me. Rationality is very useful for locating the best course of action given a certain set of preferences. But rationality does not give us those preferences. If I value my personal comfort and privacy over the economic value of the train, then there is no rational argument that will make me see that my preferences are 'incorrect'. If I value economic value, and I'm not seeing how the train is better, then a rational argument can help me see that I am not satisfying my preferences as well as I could be.

 

But you simply declaring that Week 16 ships are objectively 'better', or that ppr is objectively 'better', i.e. 'more preferable', has nothing to do with rationality. I have friends who play TD-only leagues, like they have since high school. They really enjoy those leagues, and they do not enjoy all the bookkeeping that you and I have to do with yards and catches and tackles and etc etc. 

 

You are just flat out wrong that lacking logical reasons means you are acting 'randomly'. If you love someone, but have no logical reasons, it is not 'random'. If you like pizza, but have no rational argument for why you like it, your liking pizza isn't 'random'. It's preference

 

The opposite of 'rational' is not 'random'. 

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4 minutes ago, Brotherbock said:

 

Right. You're agreeing with me. Rationality is very useful for locating the best course of action given a certain set of preferences. But rationality does not give us those preferences. If I value my personal comfort and privacy over the economic value of the train, then there is no rational argument that will make me see that my preferences are 'incorrect'. If I value economic value, and I'm not seeing how the train is better, then a rational argument can help me see that I am not satisfying my preferences as well as I could be.

 

But you simply declaring that Week 16 ships are objectively 'better', or that ppr is objectively 'better', i.e. 'more preferable', has nothing to do with rationality. I have friends who play TD-only leagues, like they have since high school. They really enjoy those leagues, and they do not enjoy all the bookkeeping that you and I have to do with yards and catches and tackles and etc etc. 

 

You are just flat out wrong that lacking logical reasons means you are acting 'randomly'. If you love someone, but have no logical reasons, it is not 'random'. If you like pizza, but have no rational argument for why you like it, your liking pizza isn't 'random'. It's preference

 

The opposite of 'rational' is not 'random'. 

 

I'm strangely starting to enjoy this debate.

 

Antonyms:
irrational, nonintellectual, unreasoning, superstitious, blind, nonrational, reasonless

 

My use of random, as the opposition of rational, is a less offensive version of some of the opposites noted above.  This must be riveting reading for our fellow Rotoworlders, haha.  I stand by my opinion/suggestion that if you want to mitigate luck, albeit marginally, from your Season Long fantasy league … consider capping add/drops to a smaller number and widening the bench size.

 

Your 17 year old league is what it is today, and probably has changed over the years whether from suggestion, or from occurrences that you all encountered that you wanted to mitigate or remove.  Some people, including myself, like to hear about the structure of those leagues to assess whether they are something they could/should adopt in their own based on reasons/logic behind the decisions.

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1 minute ago, The_Truth_Returns said:

 

I'm strangely starting to enjoy this debate.

 

Antonyms:
irrational, nonintellectual, unreasoning, superstitious, blind, nonrational, reasonless

 

My use of random, as the opposition of rational, is a less offensive version of some of the opposites noted above.  This must be riveting reading for our fellow Rotoworlders, haha.  I stand by my opinion/suggestion that if you want to mitigate luck, albeit marginally, from your Season Long fantasy league … consider capping add/drops to a smaller number and widening the bench size.

 

Your 17 year old league is what it is today, and probably has changed over the years whether from suggestion, or from occurrences that you all encountered that you wanted to mitigate or remove.  Some people, including myself, like to hear about the structure of those leagues to assess whether they are something they could/should adopt in their own based on reasons/logic behind the decisions.

 

I've been enjoying it all along :)

 

I guess my point about 'random' is that, particularly in the FF realm, that word means something very specific. It may be that some irrational things are random things, but they aren't the same concept. And 'irrational' does often get a bad name, but it shouldn't. If I'm driving down the road and a dog runs out right in front of me, my swerving to avoid it isn't rational. There wasn't a logical thought process that occurred, it was a reflex. But it wasn't random. To say it wasn't rational isn't to say that it 'didn't make sense'. And we can justify it with rationality after the fact. But the action itself wasn't taken by way of any rational thought process. There was no "Well, if I turn the wheel, I won't hit the dog, and my goal is to not hit the dog, so..." process :) It was 'non-rational', is perhaps a better term.

 

But even if we use 'irrational' to mean 'non-ideal for my goals', like an economist would, it's still not random. If I care about economics, and the environment, but I continue to drive instead of taking the train, my action is irrational. But it's not random, I don't find myself driving my car through chance. My action is still guided by some of my preferences. So that's what my point was about 'random'.

 

It's no doubt that my league has changed--we started, iirc, as a non-ppr, TDs and yardage only, non-decimal league. I took over for the second year, we made it a keeper league, added decimals, eventually ppr, more scoring categories, rules to prevent people from leaving starting spots unfilled, etc. And the process to add those involves rational debate. But it relies on preference.

 

For example, I propose a new rule--what if we apply -10 points to kickers who miss extra points? What I do is explain the reasoning--kickers have the easiest jobs in the world, and we should seek vengeance against them for missing the easiest part of their job. And then someone responds, again with reasoning--the -10 points punishes the FF owner, not the kicker. I see his point, and agree, and we don't implement the new rule. 

 

There's reasoning--but it relies on whether we value punishing the team for what the player does, and also to what extent we value kickers. We actually did have a rule for a while that was -X points if your kicker blows out his knee celebrating a field goal. :) The reasoning we use relies on the values you have. Each argument comes down in the end, as you've indicated, to a hypothetical statement: if you value a certain thing, then it makes sense to do such and such. 

 

But someone is free to say "I don't value that thing". And that's where reason, logic, rationality can't do anything.

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5 minutes ago, jsch08 said:

******** Titans D. Why not take a knee on that last pick?

 

Don't you badmouth my guys (who I picked up just for this week and started instead of the Browns and was really angry about until the literally very last play of the game when they justified my genius)! 

 

(Seriously though, if you were playing against them, that had to have sucked. Condolences.) 

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5 minutes ago, Brotherbock said:

 

Don't you badmouth my guys (who I picked up just for this week and started instead of the Browns and was really angry about until the literally very last play of the game when they justified my genius)! 

 

(Seriously though, if you were playing against them, that had to have sucked. Condolences.) 

 

Thanks. I put in for the Titans D but my opponent was awarded them because she scored less last week (our league’s rule when multiple claim on same player). I picked Browns up after. Hope I don’t lose on that play.

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Just now, jsch08 said:

 

Thanks. I put in for the Titans D but my opponent was awarded them because she scored less last week (our league’s rule when multiple claim on same player). I picked Browns up after. Hope I don’t lose on that play.

 

I think the Browns will do okay--I have been sitting on them for 4 weeks just for their Week 16 matchup. I just saw that someone had dropped TEN and decided I liked this matchup even more. I was almost very wrong. 

 

But think about it: Boyd and Green out, Driskel driskeling, and all the Browns have to do is try to stop Mixon and then let their DBs play. I'm expecting good things from them.

 

All the same, I am very happy to have been gifted 10 points in the last minute and a half of that game. I need every bit this week, my opp is a killer. Good luck to you, maybe the Browns will do the same for you.

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Made it to the championship game this year on the back of my beloved Todd Gurley - you know, the man who basically ended all of my hopes and dreams a season ago.

 

This year I had the number 1 pick so I took him and he never disappointed me until now. Of course as fate would have it - after going this far I am not going to have my best player when I need him the most - even if he does play will he be as effective or taken out the game early?

 

I don't know what is going to happen on Sunday but it just kills me to know that I could lose and not have my guy in the most important game all year - especially since he did so much damage to me last year.

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