NBA_OG 646 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, El_Chingon said: But....but....he doesn't make threes and lavine will kill his usage! Plus plus, little Arcidiacono running out there be so cute too like a baby dinosaur...Not good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jake the snake 1,749 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, El_Chingon said: But....but....he doesn't make threes and lavine will kill his usage! Man Lavine is just an old school ball hog, he is a bad defender literally stands at the top of the arc demanding the ball the whole time on offense. He needs to smarten up quick, if he learns to play the team game he could be a nice player, but he is all about Zac Lavine and that hurts his team. The rest of them play nice two-way action...Watching them I think Dunn will have a nice year, nothing special, but solid and he has a higher ceiling if the coach can get Lavine into line 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Hippo 1,365 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Kriggly said: I think Dunn's value is pretty solid if he can stay healthy. Essentially elite assists and steals with decent points and positional rebounds. His injury history and the Bull's fantasy playoffs schedule would make me want to sell if he can string together a month of good production, though. I drafted him but jumped ship after his knee sprain. This is logical and a legitimate reason to possibly sell Dunn. Lavine’s usage and a lack of threes are not legitimate reasons. Lavine’s return has had zero effect on Dunn (at least so far) and people should have never expected threes from Dunn. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rproflmao 79 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Purple Hippo said: This is logical and a legitimate reason to possibly sell Dunn. Lavine’s usage and a lack of threes are not legitimate reasons. Lavine’s return has had zero effect on Dunn (at least so far) and people should have never expected threes from Dunn. I agree if it were H2H but for those who play 9 cat roto, that might be a little different. I think having lavine helps out compared to what people think, it allows Dunn to do what he’s great at, penetrate and find teammates because defenses have to stay home on lavine, Lauri, and holiday... just gives him more room and I think that’s why he maintains his fg% but I don’t expect any more 3s from him unless it’s wide open off a kick out with a packed lane and no extra swing pass to a better shooter... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hipriest69 840 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Dominator83 said: I watched the game, and I can say there was atleast 4 shots of his that went in and out. Plus the usual 2-3 assists that teammates couldn't finish. Atleast he's always in position to have big lines Yup plus he had 2 should've been steals...one went off someone and out of bounds, the other hit him in the chest and he flukily just dropped it (he was already trying to jump start the break but lost the ball in the process). So steals will come. Good news the blocks are back and he should be between 0.5-0.8 rest of way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Whoohoo a 3 pointer! See it's not that hard. Step outside of the three point line, shoot, swish. -xoxo proud Dunn owner now 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdids911 508 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 17 assists? am i reading that right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, pdids911 said: 17 assists? am i reading that right? With TWO 3s....OH he clowning me nowwww. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,871 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 He is very good at basketball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NBA_OG 646 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, hornrimmed_rambis said: He is very good at basketball. The man can surely dribble and pass. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdids911 508 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 watch out gang, he might ELITE in assists too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,871 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, pdids911 said: watch out gang, he might ELITE in assists too But where are the steals? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,871 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wallacesnoop 377 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Some savage dunks on people lately...tonight it was on Myles Turner. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hipriest69 840 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 SAVAGE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hipriest69 840 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Edited January 5, 2019 by hipriest69 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_King 589 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Wow, 17 assists. That has to be a career high? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blob2004 223 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 He is what John Wall was supposed to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sleepysock 812 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Yeah, but in an OT game he had 0 steals, guys. Drop the bum. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdotb 13 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, blob2004 said: He is what John Wall was supposed to be. Heeell nah you thinking of deaaron fox brotha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,751 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1.5 steals per game since Dunn's come back and had the minutes restriction lifted... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_King 589 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, My Dinner With Andre said: 1.5 steals per game since Dunn's come back and had the minutes restriction lifted... It's still vastly below his capability. His per 36 steals last year were 2.5, this year it's 1.4. That's analgous to a guy going from 10 rebounds to 5.6 or 20 points to 11.2. We aren't supposed to notice a decline of such a degree? He has been a good fantasy asset and he will be even more valuable when his steals regress positively but whether he finishes with 1.6 or 2.2 as his average will make a big difference in his final value. Edited January 5, 2019 by Ace_King Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,871 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I tried to find something in the data to help us understand the steals trend. Here were my working theories: 1) Slower pace of Boylen is lowering steals. 2) Changed defensive schemes and strategy are causing lower steals from the PG position. 3) Dunn is a changed player who can't get steals at such a high rate anymore, regardless of coach or scheme. 4) Dunn started slow, and is ramping back to his norm. To look at this, I analyzed the games prior to the coaching change. Two PGs started. First Payne, then Arcidiacono. Archidiacono is interesting, because he started 12 games with Hoiberg, then 11 games with Boylen. His steals WENT UP, from 1.0 under Hoiberg to 1.3 under Boylen. Not what I expected. There were no injuries for Arcidiacono that I can tell. So he was the same player, with the same skills, playing under two different coaches/systems. What this tells me is that system and coach are not the cause of Dunn's steals slowdown. So the only theory I have left is that Dunn was a slower player when he came back. Next question for me is whether Dunn is going to stay this way, or if there is a trend back to his 2-steal average. If you look at Dunn's steals per game since he came back, you see a chart like this one below. I see the peaks trending in the right direction. Means he is getting better. Trend is right. Given what I saw when he came back, I know he didn't have quick legs to start. I know from experience that pro players take time to fully recover from an MCL. And I know he is 24 years old, so he is not in any physical decline. I'm going out on a limb, and predicting we will start seeing some 3-steal games peppered in, and the average creeping back up to 2 steals. A month from now, we will not be talking about the steals problem. 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stickman71492 21 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Boy got his 2 steals in the 4th securing another nice line! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HerrMcKenzie 179 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3s are rising a bit in the last games. Anyone watched the games and can give input, whether around 0.8 3PMs are sustainable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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