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5 hours ago, cnewbykkn said:

 

Definitely not true for everyone in here. 

 

I find the change from “where” to “were” almost poetic, if not prophetic.

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31 minutes ago, Tax77 said:

This man lost a lot of money this year, I don't really wish him well in his struggle against the man. 

I do wish Bell well.  Bell and his agent are right.  It is not fair that elite QBs, LTs, edge rushers and shut-down corners make huge dollars while elite RBs do not.  It is also kind of messed up that billionaire owners make massive profits while young men, many from modest circumstances, take all the physical risk.

 

Is it the best thing for Bell's health to play football?  Almost certainly not.  All those hits to the head add up.  As we learn more about CTE and the like, this sport gets scarier and scarier for players.  I get what Bell and his agent are doing, and why.

 

I just do not think it is going to work.

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2 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I do wish Bell well.  Bell and his agent are right.  It is not fair that elite QBs, LTs, edge rushers and shut-down corners make huge dollars while elite RBs do not.  It is also kind of messed up that billionaire owners make massive profits while young men, many from modest circumstances, take all the physical risk.

 

Is it the best thing for Bell's health to play football?  Almost certainly not.  All those hits to the head add up.  As we learn more about CTE and the like, this sport gets scarier and scarier for players.  I get what Bell and his agent are doing, and why.

 

I just do not think it is going to work.

 

I do agree with you somewhat on this. It’s really not fair and the cards are somewhat stacked. The most dangerous position in football where the players take the most and biggest hits and they get paid the least.

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1 hour ago, BMcP said:

 

I find the change from “where” to “were” almost poetic, if not prophetic.

Indeed. I personally derived great pleasure from that grammatical revision. However, I believe the change went from "were" to "where," which is very intriguing. 

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2 hours ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

I do agree with you somewhat on this. It’s really not fair and the cards are somewhat stacked. The most dangerous position in football where the players take the most and biggest hits and they get paid the least.

FWIW At least they’re the most appreciated in fantasy football 

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2 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I do wish Bell well.  Bell and his agent are right.  It is not fair that elite QBs, LTs, edge rushers and shut-down corners make huge dollars while elite RBs do not.  It is also kind of messed up that billionaire owners make massive profits while young men, many from modest circumstances, take all the physical risk.

 

Is it the best thing for Bell's health to play football?  Almost certainly not.  All those hits to the head add up.  As we learn more about CTE and the like, this sport gets scarier and scarier for players.  I get what Bell and his agent are doing, and why.

 

I just do not think it is going to work.

QBs are a management position, tackles, rushers, and shut down corners are unique specialists, RBs are general labor. I don't know what fairness is supposed to mean  in a specialized work place. Maybe the union the players pay for should do something for the RBs. 

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Just now, Tax77 said:

QBs are a management position, tackles, rushers, and shut down corners are unique specialists, RBs are general labor. I don't know what fairness is supposed to mean  in a specialized work place. Maybe the union the players pay for should do something for the RBs. 

 

Not sure what general labor means but Todd Gurleys don’t just grow on trees...

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7 minutes ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

Not sure what general labor means but Todd Gurleys don’t just grow on trees...

He's not worth as much as the men blocking for him or the play callers and game manager. If he was worth more he wouldn't have a 40 million contract when his QB is about to make triple that. 

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1 minute ago, Tax77 said:

He's not worth as much as the men blocking for him or the play callers and game manager. If he was worth more he wouldn't have a 40 million contract when jis QB is about to make triple that. 

 

Seems like circular logic. He’s only making 40 million so he’s not worth 80 million? 

 

So so by that logic, he’s worth as much as a washed up Demaryius Thomas because they are paid the same?

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6 hours ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

I do agree with you somewhat on this. It’s really not fair and the cards are somewhat stacked. The most dangerous position in football where the players take the most and biggest hits and they get paid the least.

WR take the biggest hits, those guys crossing the middle get blown up on a regular basis.  RBs do take more hits though.  

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5 minutes ago, murraygd13 said:

WR take the biggest hits, those guys crossing the middle get blown up on a regular basis.  RBs do take more hits though.  

Nah. The rules changes over the last few years have made it a penalty to blow those guys up on the over-the-middle routes. It still happens every once in a while but it's a good way for a safety or whatever to get kicked out of a game.

 

That's one reason you're seeing guys be so productive out of the slot lately--no fear of being erased while attempting to make a 7 yard gain.

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8 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I do wish Bell well.  Bell and his agent are right.  It is not fair that elite QBs, LTs, edge rushers and shut-down corners make huge dollars while elite RBs do not.  It is also kind of messed up that billionaire owners make massive profits while young men, many from modest circumstances, take all the physical risk.

 

Is it the best thing for Bell's health to play football?  Almost certainly not.  All those hits to the head add up.  As we learn more about CTE and the like, this sport gets scarier and scarier for players.  I get what Bell and his agent are doing, and why.

 

I just do not think it is going to work.

 

After reading this post, my first thought somebody hacked the shark (donut) account. 

Are you ok? 

 

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6 hours ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

Not sure what general labor means but Todd Gurleys don’t just grow on trees...

 

Not sure what general labor means but Leveon Bell's don't just grow on trees....

 

 

 

 

oh wait

 

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49 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

 

After reading this post, my first thought somebody hacked the shark (donut) account. 

Are you ok? 

 

Yep, totally fine.  Understanding the motives behind the move for Bell is critical to understanding what's up.  No one in the fantasy expert community could conceive of a player turning down $14 million plus.  But Bell and his agent are taking a wider view.  I sympathize with the spirit of their defiance, while disagreeing with their tactics.

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It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Bell returns. Conner has looked great, and I'd hate to see him benched when Bell finally reports. I know there are people here who believe Bell is way better than Conner, but it's really hard to keep arguing that given how well other RBs have thrived in Pitt's system (D. Williams/Conner). This holdout may end up hurting his market value. If you put Bell on another team with a weak OL, I promise you he won't put up the numbers he has in the past. Even last year, he only managed to average 4YPC. 

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7 hours ago, Tax77 said:

He's not worth as much as the men blocking for him or the play callers and game manager. If he was worth more he wouldn't have a 40 million contract when his QB is about to make triple that. 

 

I get what you're saying but Gurley's contract is closer to $60Mil I believe with $45Mil guaranteed.  I think Bell would have taken a similar contract even though he was asking for $16-$17Mil a year.  It's the guaranteed money that the Steelers didn't offer...$33Mil guaranteed versus the $45Mil Gurley got.  That was more the sticking point.

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4 minutes ago, Damn Yankee said:

 

I get what you're saying but Gurley's contract is closer to $60Mil I believe with $45Mil guaranteed.  I think Bell would have taken a similar contract even though he was asking for $16-$17Mil a year.  It's the guaranteed money that the Steelers didn't offer...$33Mil guaranteed versus the $45Mil Gurley got.  That was more the sticking point.

It was only 10 million guaranteed.  The further "guarantees" were are rolling, meaning Bell had to be on the active roster to trigger the ones for 2019 and beyond.  So if Bell had been injured severely in 2018, Pittsburgh could have released him and not paid a dime for 2019.

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Right, the $10M guaranteed is what set Bell off after Gurley got $45M guaranteed. He does have a point, but now it seems like the Steelers won't pay him close to that after seeing the success Conner has had in Bell's place.

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31 minutes ago, urban2014 said:

So when are people here dropping him? Trade deadline is tomorrow 

 

Hold until after the Nov 13 deadline. If you've held this long, there's no point in dropping until then, as he can't play anywhere if he doesn't sign by then. 

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16 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

It was only 10 million guaranteed.  The further "guarantees" were are rolling, meaning Bell had to be on the active roster to trigger the ones for 2019 and beyond.  So if Bell had been injured severely in 2018, Pittsburgh could have released him and not paid a dime for 2019.

I don't remember, was there a signing bonus?

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57 minutes ago, atdharris said:

Right, the $10M guaranteed is what set Bell off after Gurley got $45M guaranteed. He does have a point, but now it seems like the Steelers won't pay him close to that after seeing the success Conner has had in Bell's place.

 

and Conner is under team control for two more seasons at $790K per.  No brainer.

 

It'll be interesting to see where Bell goes next year.  Raiders?  Green Bay?  Tampa Bay? Houston? San Fran? Seattle?  

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