sportsfreak2744 787 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, secretagentman said: I think the $$$s is what sold him. No one says, yeah let's sign with a team that may compete in 3-4 years if things break right. That and San Diego is an awesome place to call home. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
street sharks 3,279 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On the plus side, we'll get to see him in Coors a lot more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,596 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, sportsfreak2744 said: That and San Diego is an awesome place to call home. Which tends to make players lazy. So many players go out to southern California to fade away. We Sox fans know that was certainly the case back in the day with Freddy Lynn who had the goods to make the Hall had he stayed and played his career in either Boston or any other competitive city. But the Angels back then were full of sun and surf boys who were so laid back they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch. Discipline has improved since but still too good of weather makes for too much laying back attitude. Good for life, bad for baseball players. But it could be worse in the NL West. It could be SF for a bad park and team and farm system. They have the trifecta of horror. SD has arguably the very best farm in all of baseball with Tatus raked right behind Vlad on most lists as best prospect in baseball. And their young pitching is to die for ... just like their current rotation is totally dead. With Machado now signed maybe they will start trading off some of their highly rated prospect pitchers for veteran pitchers in a panic move to contend by 2020. Oh well Manny doesn't want to win, just be filthy rich. He doesn't want any pressure on him. Just the warm sun. See how he likes it after a few years. My guess is he probably will. He will become totally domesticated and content. He doesn't have the same fire in him as Harper does. Edited February 19, 2019 by The Big Bat Theory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,805 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, XxxOilOverloadxxX said: I put the odds so low that Manny finishes this contract out in SD Indeed. San Diego will be akin to a layover for Manny until a big market team comes a-knockin' and decides to take in the contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meh2 3,562 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Baur10 said: I'll be really interested to see what this does to his ADP. I could see the "rebuilding team/PETCO Park" gaining steam over the next few weeks. This news sucks a bit for people who already own/drafted him but could be an opportunity for if there's an overcorrection and he starts to slip down the second round. I’m knocking him down from 14th on my board to 21st. I don’t think he’ll slip to the 3rd round in 12 teamers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baur10 2,160 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, meh2 said: I’m knocking him down from 14th on my board to 21st. I don’t think he’ll slip to the 3rd round in 12 teamers. I mostly doubt he will either, but it's possible and late 2nd round is still an excellent value for him IMO, Petco or no Petco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MichiganxTrumbull 24 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Am I one of the few that don't see this being a big hit to his value (league eligibility aside) he was never going to be ranked higher than pre injury lindor- turner-bregman-jram and not below story-baez and for 3b. he was always below arenado-bregman-jram and above baez-bryant-rendon where he signed had a +/- 2 spots max Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluecrew56 2,648 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Pass for me. Was hoping at very least Chicago. I hope he proves me wrong. I do like Wil Myers value after this. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corey_rideout 134 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, MichiganxTrumbull said: Am I one of the few that don't see this being a big hit to his value (league eligibility aside) he was never going to be ranked higher than pre injury lindor- turner-bregman-jram and not below story-baez and for 3b. he was always below arenado-bregman-jram and above baez-bryant-rendon where he signed had a +/- 2 spots max No worse lineup than what he had in Baltimore last year. Myers and Hosmer offer protection and with guys like Tatis on the way - it's a lineup with some upside. The pitching matchups won't be any less favourable. Dodger stadium is no hitters park and he was on pace for 33HR over a full season in LA. A great hitter is a great hitter. I get he isn't playing those games in Camden, Rogers Centre or Fenway but I don't expect much drop in HR when you consider games in Coors and Chase will be plentiful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,590 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Which tends to make players lazy. So many players go out to southern California to fade away. We Sox fans know that was certainly the case back in the day with Freddy Lynn who had the goods to make the Hall had he stayed and played his career in either Boston or any other competitive city. But the Angels back then were full of sun and surf boys who were so laid back they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch. Discipline has improved since but still too good of weather makes for too much laying back attitude. Good for life, bad for baseball players. But it could be worse in the NL West. It could be SF for a bad park and team and farm system. They have the trifecta of horror. SD has arguably the very best farm in all of baseball with Tatus raked right behind Vlad on most lists as best prospect in baseball. And their young pitching is to die for ... just like their current rotation is totally dead. With Machado now signed maybe they will start trading off some of their highly rated prospect pitchers for veteran pitchers in a panic move to contend by 2020. Oh well Manny doesn't want to win, just be filthy rich. He doesn't want any pressure on him. Just the warm sun. See how he likes it after a few years. My guess is he probably will. He will become totally domesticated and content. He doesn't have the same fire in him as Harper does. Their young pitching looks insanely promising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,113 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Which tends to make players lazy. So many players go out to southern California to fade away. We Sox fans know that was certainly the case back in the day with Freddy Lynn who had the goods to make the Hall had he stayed and played his career in either Boston or any other competitive city. But the Angels back then were full of sun and surf boys who were so laid back they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch. Discipline has improved since but still too good of weather makes for too much laying back attitude. Good for life, bad for baseball players. But it could be worse in the NL West. It could be SF for a bad park and team and farm system. They have the trifecta of horror. SD has arguably the very best farm in all of baseball with Tatus raked right behind Vlad on most lists as best prospect in baseball. And their young pitching is to die for ... just like their current rotation is totally dead. With Machado now signed maybe they will start trading off some of their highly rated prospect pitchers for veteran pitchers in a panic move to contend by 2020. Oh well Manny doesn't want to win, just be filthy rich. He doesn't want any pressure on him. Just the warm sun. See how he likes it after a few years. My guess is he probably will. He will become totally domesticated and content. He doesn't have the same fire in him as Harper does. Bull. You base your opinion about California because of one ballplayer? So your saying all ballplayers in California are laidback and have I don’t care attitude, they don’t take the game seriously? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tingyangs6 154 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Good for him. He got the money he wanted, live in one of the best cities in the world, and playing for an up and coming team. At the end of the day even when you lose, you’re still winning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,805 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Winning is overrated anyway. Mike Trout's teams never win squat and he's still regarded as the best player in baseball. Meanwhile if your team wins 100 games and you hit .100 in the playoffs -- ie, Giancarlo Stanton -- you're a fraud. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
En Votto Veritas 500 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Manny's is one of the more consistent hitters in the game, which means his floor is pretty rock solid. I'm happy drafting him where he's going, but I'm wondering about the counting stats in SD. RosterResource has him hitting 2nd (which seems odd as I'd assume he'd hit 3rd) with Kinsler in front. I think he's pretty much good for 100 runs with Hosmer, Myers, Renfroe/Cordero/Mejia behind him, but where will the RBIs come from? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lavaman 747 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 #overpaid that is all. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfazz23 2,530 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, lavaman said: #overpaid that is all. so glad yankees didnt get him at that price his power numbers wont look nearly as good in san diego. baltimore is a GREAT place to hit 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Storenut 7 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, jfazz23 said: so glad yankees didnt get him at that price his power numbers wont look nearly as good in san diego. baltimore is a GREAT place to hit Yes and no. He’s a pull hitter and SD plays top 10 in LF homers (7th I believe). So, he goes from 32-35 to 28-30. Yes there is a drop but not like the sky is falling. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
axiom20XX 75 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Storenut said: Yes and no. He’s a pull hitter and SD plays top 10 in LF homers (7th I believe). So, he goes from 32-35 to 28-30. Yes there is a drop but not like the sky is falling. He also gets to play 18 games a year at Coors Field & Arizona. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,113 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, jfazz23 said: so glad yankees didnt get him at that price his power numbers wont look nearly as good in san diego. baltimore is a GREAT place to hit I am ecstatic that he didn’t sign with the Yankees. Disagree on numbers ... Manny is money he will have 30+ HRs and close to 100 runs & rbis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BostonCajun 1,697 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, shakestreet said: I am ecstatic that he didn’t sign with the Yankees. Disagree on numbers ... Manny is money he will have 30+ HRs and close to 100 runs & rbis Exactly how I feel and I'm actually excited about the possibility of his price dropping entering my draft this weekend. I feel he's still very capable of close to 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. I also think he could score 100 runs in this lineup if Myers and Hosmer stay healthy. And I agree with what others have said about the park factor and opposing pitchers not being as big of an issue as some are making it. The AL east had far better pitching as a division but did have better parks as a whole. However Arizona and Colorado are nice alternatives and it's not like Petco is the Petco of old. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,967 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Which tends to make players lazy. So many players go out to southern California to fade away. We Sox fans know that was certainly the case back in the day with Freddy Lynn who had the goods to make the Hall had he stayed and played his career in either Boston or any other competitive city. But the Angels back then were full of sun and surf boys who were so laid back they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch. Discipline has improved since but still too good of weather makes for too much laying back attitude. Good for life, bad for baseball players. 1 hour ago, shakestreet said: Bull. You base your opinion about California because of one ballplayer? So your saying all ballplayers in California are laidback and have I don’t care attitude, they don’t take the game seriously? On top of using only one player as basis for why California players are lazy, it's worth noting that Fred Lynn was...actually pretty good in California. --1981: 86 OPS+ (okay, this was a bad year...but note that this was a strike season, and his numbers fell off a cliff only after the return from strike) --1982: 142 OPS+ (better than 4 of his 6 full seasons in Boston) --1983: 129 OPS+ (only 117 games, but he produced when he played) --1984: 132 OPS+ (strong conclusion to his days in California) 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,967 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Which tends to make players lazy. So many players go out to southern California to fade away. We Sox fans know that was certainly the case back in the day with Freddy Lynn who had the goods to make the Hall had he stayed and played his career in either Boston or any other competitive city. But the Angels back then were full of sun and surf boys who were so laid back they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch. Discipline has improved since but still too good of weather makes for too much laying back attitude. Good for life, bad for baseball players. Also, Lynn's Angels in 1982 (the first full season he played there, due to the '81 strike) won 93 games. So even if they barely got to the park in time to get their uniforms on before first pitch, they somehow managed to produce the best season in the 22-year history of the franchise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cs3 3,475 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 hours ago, street sharks said: On the plus side, we'll get to see him in Coors a lot more The other NL West parks are all pretty lousy places to hit though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2ndCitySox 4,654 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Kershaw has been ok in So Cal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2ndCitySox 4,654 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Although if the Rams were still in the Midwest and not Los Angeles, they would have won the super bowl 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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