psygolf 2,791 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, bhawks489 said: He also thinks that AB is best suited for a rebuilding team and not for one in a "win now" mode lol. Best to move on You missed my point, it had nothing to do with his talent, it has to do with him not being offered the guaranteed $ he is looking for from a contender. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Bhawk...I’m pretty good at predicting these contract situations...and happy to be surprised if things do not play out as I see them. Not offended if one disagrees with me...which should be a refreshing trait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhawks489 3,678 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, dashoe said: Wow! Sometimes I cant determine if people are trolling or they truly lack the ability to process and comprehend information. You know those are not rankings based on overall production in terms of "best" player rather they are rankings according to each metric category? Which is why EACH COLUMN is sortable and ranked? Sometimes it's best to quit before you start Marlon Mack, 4th overall RB off the board Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Just now, bhawks489 said: Marlon Mack, 4th overall RB off the board Stud, imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) Gents...tip: do NOT use football outsiders to differentiate your 2019 rb draft targets. Edited February 23, 2019 by psygolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdko 1,191 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 7:38 PM, dashoe said: That was the point dude you stated his YPC like it measures that he is stud and highly effective runner; YPC alone is a metric that doesnt tell you much so use metrics that tell you how effective he is as a runner and allow for better comparisons to his peers. You also dont need to have an equal number of carries to make comparisons you need a minimum number to be statistically significant which in this case is 100 carries. You zero'd in on his YPC for whatever odd reason. That was one thing i mentioned alongside TDs, and yards, while only starting in 9 games. When did I say his YPC alone made him a stud? Reading comprehension, bro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmb3684 4,644 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 11:25 PM, psygolf said: Stud, imo Don't bring Mack into this, he's my boy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 3:45 PM, BMcP said: Good one! LOL! Unless I missed it, Miller never added “a full yard per carry and 3 TDs” to his stats off three carries. Obviously I was kidding. My point was that long runs don't always equate with explosiveness. I like Chubb, but I think using RPC to evaluate hims doesn't make a lot of sense. I think for Chubb, those are anomalies. Even SnowBeast would have made those runs. Edited February 25, 2019 by K197040 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 4,399 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, K197040 said: Obviously I was kidding. My point was that long runs don't always equate with explosiveness. I like Chubb, but I think using RPC to evaluate hims doesn't make a lot of sense. I think for Chubb, those are anomalies. Even SnowBeast would have made those runs. I don't think anyone was using RPC to evaluate him here. Unless someone was trying to use it to discredit him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, devaster said: I don't think anyone was using RPC to evaluate him here. Unless someone was trying to use it to discredit him. Here's the quote that started the YPC discussion. Quote Decent? He had 1150 yards from scrimmage, averaged 5.2 ypc and had 10 TD's in only 9 games started... Far from simply decent. Edited February 25, 2019 by K197040 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 4,399 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, K197040 said: Here's the quote that started the YPC discussion. "Decent? He had 1150 yards from scrimmage, averaged 5.2 ypc and had 10 TD's in only 9 games started... Far from simply decent." And? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tread_Lightly 37 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Ppr redraft this guy gonna be picked way too soon imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 4,399 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Tread_Lightly said: Ppr redraft this guy gonna be picked way too soon imo Before the Hunt pick-up I don't think so. But he could be with Hunt on the roster. Then again Hunt showing well in the pre-season will probably kill the value of Chubb. Way too early to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, devaster said: And? What do you mean, "and"? You said you didn't think anyone on here was using YPC to evaluate him. I posted a quote that cited YPG in evaluating him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 4,399 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, K197040 said: What do you mean, "and"? You said you didn't think anyone on here was using YPC to evaluate him. I posted a quote that cited YPG in evaluating him. YPC wasn't specifically being used to evaluate him though. Only one poster was zeroing in on that metric to argue against Chubb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, K197040 said: Here's the quote that started the YPC discussion. After a certain amount of carries...ypc is a fine qualifier for a (stud) player running with a football in his/her hand. The ones who discounted his ypc because of his 3 longest runs failed in their attempt because they did not take the 3 longest runs away from the other rbs they were comparing him to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, devaster said: Before the Hunt pick-up I don't think so. But he could be with Hunt on the roster. Then again Hunt showing well in the pre-season will probably kill the value of Chubb. Way too early to know. Byner-Mack 2.0 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, psygolf said: After a certain amount of carries...ypc is a fine qualifier for a (stud) player running with a football in his/her hand. The ones who discounted his ypc because of his 3 longest runs failed in their attempt because they did not take the 3 longest runs away from the other rbs they were comparing him to. I agree with the first part. And to be honest, I haven't done the research and math on the second part and I don't know what specific RBs were being compared to Chubb. But my guess is that taking away any of the top RB's 3 best carries would not drop their YPC by a full yard. Assuming they had close to a full season's worth of carries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, K197040 said: I agree with the first part. And to be honest, I haven't done the research and math on the second part and I don't know what specific RBs were being compared to Chubb. But my guess is that taking away any of the top RB's 3 best carries would not drop their YPC by a full yard. Assuming they had close to a full season's worth of carries. Well math is funny that way... Ex- Take away Lindsay's longest run, who had similar carries as Chubb, and his ypc drops .32, just off of that one carry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, psygolf said: Well math is funny that way... Ex- Take away Lindsay's longest run, who had similar carries as Chubb, and his ypc drops .32, just off of that one carry. Maybe I missed the original conversation. Was someone comparing Lindsay to Chubb? I'd rather have Chubb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 4,399 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Take away CJ2K's 3 runs over 90 yards during his 2000 yards rushing season... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,791 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, K197040 said: Maybe I missed the original conversation. Was someone comparing Lindsay to Chubb? I'd rather have Chubb. smh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,437 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, psygolf said: smh. whatever Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,462 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 52 minutes ago, psygolf said: Well math is funny that way... Ex- Take away Lindsay's longest run, who had similar carries as Chubb, and his ypc drops .32, just off of that one carry. yeah that was the point of how unreliable quoting ypc is without context, lindsay, kerryon and a couple of other rb's had a higher ypc than chubb. with keryrryon being #1 in ypc I believe. which is why it's better to use other metrics such as dyar,dvoa,succession in comparing rb's. YPC is a pisss poor metric for efficiency because it is easily skewed it's not hard to go read the original posts and responses insead of simply responding to what you THINK the debate is about Sometimes I think you guys just want to debate about something that wasnt the point at all. . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tread_Lightly 37 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I’m predicting both Chubb and Lindsay will under-perform in relation to their AVe draft price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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