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It depends what your definition of GOAT is. Honestly, i'm not too into NFL history like I am with the NBA so I can only speak from guys i've seen.  PERSONALLY, I rather have Rodgers and Manning.

Wow, you "Seattle sychophants" are angry people. I cannot stand Boston sports fans for the most part, but how about giving them the respect of calling them fans instead of "sychophants"? Lik

Logic always goes out the window when discussing Brady because if you don't like him you've already made up your mind on this years ago and nothing will change your opinion.. he could win two more Sup

58 minutes ago, K197040 said:

Once again you missed my point.   Tim Duncan was only good because he was TALL.   There are some tall players that would still be good if they were short.  And some short players that would still be good if they were tall.   If Steve Nash would have been 7', he would have been unstoppable.  Tim Duncan at 5'5"?  Not so much.

That is such a dumbass statement, and I too think Brady is overrated.

 

Brady pretty much was like Garropolo is for the Niners now... hes first 3 rings he was a Garroppolo-esque QB.

 

Back to Tim Duncan, what your saying is he was only good because he was tall. If thats the case Shaq sucked because he was big and dominated ppl inside the paint...

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13 minutes ago, dmb3684 said:

 

Well now, yes. I dont think he set out to troll from the start though. 

actually my first post was a sarcastic response to this statement

"It's funny how much credit we give to rings in one of the most team dominant sports in the world. Brady is more like Tim Duncan than Lebron. He's obviously great but in terms of talent, skill, and just flat out ability he clearly isn't on THAT level."

Imo, Duncan is on that level. 

But then it was funny to me to think of a 5 foot Duncan or a 7 foot Nash. 

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5 minutes ago, cashvillesent said:

Brady pretty much was like Garropolo is for the Niners now... hes first 3 rings he was a Garroppolo-esque QB.

 

Brady was in the top 10 in both yards and TDs from 2002-2004. He even led the league in TD passes in 2002 in his first full season as a starter. This was with Patten and Deion Branch as his best targets.

 

Do people just not bother looking up stats to support their arguments anymore?

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2002/passing.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/passing.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/passing.htm

 

And as for being Garroppolo-esque (I think you meant to say game manager), Jimmy is top 10 in TD passes this season.

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9 hours ago, jumper said:

Agree but you do need a certain amount of base talent to combine with the correct system and supporting cast to pull off what TB12 did.  Put Lamar Jackson on the Dolphins and they'd waste him the same way they wasted (evidently) Tannehill.  ARod arguably had greater physical gifts than TB12 and theoretically could be wearing those 6 rings now but didn't have those other coaching/teammate/competition elements.  Put TB12 on the Dolphins and he'd still burn with desire to win and make everyone around him better (to the extent possible) but there's only so much you can do when you don't have much talent around you.  Plenty of teams out there with one or two truly transcendent superstars and while those guys are still amazing they rot away on a team going nowhere.  Witness what happened to Barry Sanders for years playing on clueless Lions teams.  Same would have happened to Brady if he played there. 

That being said, Bellichek, TB12, and the Pats organization have been phenomenal about putting together the best possible formula each year to make everyone successful.  What they do with average talent is amazing, it seems like they have a supernatural gift for figuring out what a player is good at and using them that way.  And then leveraging that skill to the hilt and creating synergies with the other 50+ players and what they do well to create a "better than the sum of its parts" team.  I don't think I've ever seen a team like the Patriots use so many varied ways to win and not fixate on just one mode (like "exotic smashmouth").  The amount of creativity, plain hard work to figure things out, and a gameplan that literally changes week-to-week based upon the opponent are really the secret weapon that powers TB12. 

And, cheating.

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2 hours ago, K197040 said:

Plus Duncan choked on the FT line in critical situations.  It was maddening.

No one talks about it being a 2 point game in game 7 with 50 seconds against the Heat and a dude that’s 7 ft tall missed a wide open layup from 2 feet. 

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2 hours ago, K197040 said:

actually my first post was a sarcastic response to this statement

"It's funny how much credit we give to rings in one of the most team dominant sports in the world. Brady is more like Tim Duncan than Lebron. He's obviously great but in terms of talent, skill, and just flat out ability he clearly isn't on THAT level."

Imo, Duncan is on that level. 

But then it was funny to me to think of a 5 foot Duncan or a 7 foot Nash. 

THAT level is people putting Duncan top 5-7 all time. No thanks. Just because you’re an all time great doesn’t mean you can’t be overrated. 

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5 hours ago, K197040 said:

 

I like it.  But what if he also had Webb's vertical?   Lol at the thought of a 7'2" dude with tiny arms that can jump out of the gym. 

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd Photoshop something. 

 

Kareem never shot that at a high rate athleically.  He was just taller then everybody  and had longer arms.  Just like every tall player that played. Hell Wilt was 7 feet playing vs far less athletic guys then Duncan.  Wilt must of been a sub standard ball player in your standards.

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2 hours ago, youngrice said:

Kareem never shot that at a high rate athleically.  He was just taller then everybody  and had longer arms.  Just like every tall player that played. Hell Wilt was 7 feet playing vs far less athletic guys then Duncan.  Wilt must of been a sub standard ball player in your standards.

Wilt was arguably the biggest freak athlete in history. That man was next level ****. Imagine being 7 1 and near 300 pounds with a 40 inch vertical and the ability to run the 100m in under 11 seconds. He dunked a ball so hard that it broke a dudes toe and fouled a dude so hard with one arm it lifted him off the ground and caused his knees to shake at the line. Stories of him picking up dudes that weigh 200 something pounds with one arm like they're little kids.

Wilt would be the GOAT QB. Probably chug the ball 100 yards with defenders bouncing off him. Brady could never...

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7 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Wilt was arguably the biggest freak athlete in history. That man was next level ****. Imagine being 7 1 and near 300 pounds with a 40 inch vertical and the ability to run the 100m in under 11 seconds. He dunked a ball so hard that it broke a dudes toe and fouled a dude so hard with one arm it lifted him off the ground and caused his knees to shake at the line. Stories of him picking up dudes that weigh 200 something pounds with one arm like they're little kids.

Wilt would be the GOAT QB. Probably chug the ball 100 yards with defenders bouncing off him. Brady could never...

Yeah, but Russell still owned his a** so wouldn't that actually make Russell the GOAT QB ?

Things I've learned from reading this thread. Top 3 all time QBs...

1) Bill Russell

2) Will Chamberlain

3) Arod

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16 hours ago, K197040 said:

 

Top 50 of all time.   What does that even mean?   It's just a list for people who like lists.  

Guys like Duncan and Hakeem are consistently overrated.   You think if Duncan was 5'5" he'd be an "all time great".  

I'm pretty sure if I was 6'11", we'd be talking about me in this thread.   Actually not because we'd be comparing me in the Mahomes thread. 

 

If you're going to hypothetically shrink Duncan and Hakeem don't you have to hypothetically adjust their skill levels to the size you're shrinking them too ? Or are we just going to be bias against tall players ? And you have to account for the inverse as well. You think if Steph Curry was 7'1 he'd be the same shooter ? You can't have it both ways.

 

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5 hours ago, fletch44 said:

Yeah, but Russell still owned his a** so wouldn't that actually make Russell the GOAT QB ?

Things I've learned from reading this thread. Top 3 all time QBs...

1) Bill Russell

2) Will Chamberlain

3) Arod

Russell didn't own Wilt. Russell played with a roster consisting of 9 HOFers. 

In their head to head matchups Wilt averaged 30/28/4 on 49%. Russell averaged 14/24/4 on 37%

Imagine being 7 feet tall and shooting under 40%. Russell got locked down by Wilt. He just happened to play with the most loaded roster in NBA history.

 

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Did you guys see that Brady had his family's suite at Gillette emptied out and deep cleaned?  That's either a tell-tale that he's gone or a super shrewd negotiating tactic.

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9 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

Russell didn't own Wilt. Russell played with a roster consisting of 9 HOFers. 

In their head to head matchups Wilt averaged 30/28/4 on 49%. Russell averaged 14/24/4 on 37%

Imagine being 7 feet tall and shooting under 40%. Russell got locked down by Wilt. He just happened to play with the most loaded roster in NBA history.

 

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5 hours ago, fletch44 said:

If you're going to hypothetically shrink Duncan and Hakeem don't you have to hypothetically adjust their skill levels to the size you're shrinking them too ? Or are we just going to be bias against tall players ? And you have to account for the inverse as well. You think if Steph Curry was 7'1 he'd be the same shooter ? You can't have it both ways.

 

No, we don't have to be biased against tall players.   They just don't ever seem to have the ball handling skills and shooting ability as some of the shorter guys.   So we shrink Duncan and we have a fundamentally sound but not special guard.   But we enlarge Steph to 7 feet and now we've got a fantastic all around player who can also dominate in the paint.   

It's even more dramatic with someone like Shaq.   Shrink him down and you've got a 6 foot guy with no real skills who's also a whopping 324 pounds.   Would just be another fat dude.

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12 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Wilt was arguably the biggest freak athlete in history. That man was next level ****. Imagine being 7 1 and near 300 pounds with a 40 inch vertical and the ability to run the 100m in under 11 seconds. He dunked a ball so hard that it broke a dudes toe and fouled a dude so hard with one arm it lifted him off the ground and caused his knees to shake at the line. Stories of him picking up dudes that weigh 200 something pounds with one arm like they're little kids.

Wilt would be the GOAT QB. Probably chug the ball 100 yards with defenders bouncing off him. Brady could never...

Wilt would be better served as a WR or TE.   If he was QB, you still have to hope he's got the guys to catch the ball.   Put him in a receiving position and he's catching every ball thrown to him.   Also, you put him on the line for any opposing team's FG or PATs.   He's blocking half of them.  

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On 1/18/2020 at 12:13 AM, Deuce1042 said:

Bill didn't own Wilt individually but the Celtics owned whatever team Wilt happened to be playing for at the time. Bill himself has said that Wilt was virtually unguardable. 

 

Wilt's libido was also virtually unguardable

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On 1/17/2020 at 11:50 AM, K197040 said:

Wilt would be better served as a WR or TE.   If he was QB, you still have to hope he's got the guys to catch the ball.   Put him in a receiving position and he's catching every ball thrown to him.   Also, you put him on the line for any opposing team's FG or PATs.   He's blocking half of them.  

He already played in the NFL. Name was Harold Carmichael.

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On 1/17/2020 at 2:50 PM, K197040 said:

Wilt would be better served as a WR or TE. 

 

Wilt was 7'1" and a knee injury waiting to happen. I say field goal block specialist because I want to see one of these mega tall guys in a gimmick role before I die. How does it not make sense?!?!?

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