Baur10 2,085 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, Magoo said: Position player with a groin strain vs a pitcher with upper back pain? Shirley, you can’t be serious with this analogy Hold on why is that a bad analogy? I think Trout is probably fine but outside of elbow-related (eg triceps) and lat, groin seems like the worst muscle injuries your could expect out of a position player as far as time missed and fantasy stats sapped. Again probably not the case with Trout given how gung-ho he is about getting back, but at face value I don't see why a batters groin and a pitchers upper back are laughably different concerns from a fantasy POV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Baur10 said: Hold on why is that a bad analogy? I think Trout is probably fine but outside of elbow-related (eg triceps) and lat, groin seems like the worst muscle injuries your could expect out of a position player as far as time missed and fantasy stats sapped. Again probably not the case with Trout given how gung-ho he is about getting back, but at face value I don't see why a batters groin and a pitchers upper back are laughably different concerns from a fantasy POV. Putting my holiday inn express doctor hat on: Backs and Shoulders are much much more difficult to detect/asses things than a groin. You know pretty quickly how bad a pulled groin you have. Anyone that has dealt with shoulder injuries knows that its hard to even get a solid diagnosis with MRIs And Clevingers particular injury was relatively rare. Edited April 12, 2019 by Magoo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, Simsanityy179 said: Sorry I meant I’m getting the vibe that he’s going to be placed on the DL and miss about a month. I hope I’m wrong From the reports Trouts being overly cautious and has said he’d be playing if it were late in the season. I trust him more than Clevenger because I’m still bitter the angels traded him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baur10 2,085 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, Magoo said: Putting my holiday inn express doctor hat on: Backs and Shoulders are much much more difficult to detect/asses things than a groin. You know pretty quickly how bad a pulled groin you have. Anyone that has dealt with shoulder injuries knows that its hard to even get a solid diagnosis with MRIs And Clevingers particular injury was relatively rare. Not really. In the shoulder there are 4 rotator cuff muscles, then the upper arm and upper back muscles. In the groin there are 5 adductor muscles, then the upper leg and gluteal/lower-back muscles. Anatomically there is just as much nuance involved in one vs the other. Strains, tears, avulsion fractures can happen in both cases with a wide range of timeframes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Baur10 said: Not really. In the shoulder there are 4 rotator cuff muscles, then the upper arm and upper back muscles. In the groin there are 5 adductor muscles, then the upper leg and gluteal/lower-back muscles. Anatomically there is just as much nuance involved in one vs the other. Strains, tears, avulsion fractures can happen in both cases with a wide range of timeframes. The shoulder is the most flexible joint in your body and the top of your humerus sits in a very shallow socket, much like a golf ball on a tee. Totally different and even the closest thing to it (the hip) doesn’t move as freely as the shoulder. It’s also connected to muscles like the one Clevinger injured. And labrum tears are notoriously hard to both accurately detect and recover from for pitchers. It’s really not close Quote Link to post Share on other sites
treat88 615 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Is there some sort of new news I'm missing? Looked minor when it happened. Looked minor when he was standing in the dug out. Report post game is its minor. What changed? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baur10 2,085 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Magoo said: The shoulder is the most flexible joint in your body and the top of your humerus sits in a very shallow socket, much like a golf ball on a tee. Totally different and even the closest thing to it (the hip) doesn’t move as freely as the shoulder. It’s also connected to muscles like the one Clevinger injured. And labrum tears are notoriously hard to both accurately detect and recover from for pitchers. It’s really not close 🙄The hip is also a ball and socket joint, has a labrum that can tear, and has over 20 muscular connections between the leg pelvis and even lower back some very similar to the teres major. Both injuries can be both difficult to diagnose, nuanced, and in their worst forms can be long recoveries for athletes. Not to mention your original comment was mocking someone for bringing up and "upper back injury" in comparison to a groin injury, not shoulder to hip joint. We're getting the thread off track here though. If you want to continue this you can message me. 7 hours ago, treat88 said: Is there some sort of new news I'm missing? Looked minor when it happened. Looked minor when he was standing in the dug out. Report post game is its minor. What changed? Nothing. Just getting sidetracked about the nature of injuries. Far as I can tell Trout is still DTD but hoping to be back imminently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonycpsu 5,252 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Out again Friday. Get well soon, Mike. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, tonycpsu said: Out again Friday. Get well soon, Mike. Really bad weather sealed it for today. Even if he doesn’t play this weekend I don’t think that necessarily means panic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Junkie Cosmonaut 702 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Magoo said: Really bad weather sealed it for today. Even if he doesn’t play this weekend I don’t think that necessarily means panic 51 and windy is really bad weather? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CFN 1,646 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I would much rather they take tremendous precaution here than let him come back early, no matter how fine Trout himself says he is. It's a long season, boys. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Sunday weather is supposed to be even worse than today. Sit him all weekend save a pinch hit appearance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Del Rio 509 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Per Angels twitter, Trout won't appear at all the Cubs series (he's still in LA) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blood Brother 1,874 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 feels like deja vu. LBJ situation this year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare13 1,057 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Blood Brother said: Seems pretty precautionaryish. However, I dont ever like the words "re evaluated",especially when it comes to trout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stickfig13 1,337 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I’m good with him sitting for a week if I don’t lose him for 6-8 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2016 was his last injury free season. Starting to get a little nervous.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The 7th Beatles 15,648 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stickfig13 1,337 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I’m sorta concerned. He was mashing before the injury. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
treat88 615 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stickfig13 said: I’m sorta concerned. He was mashing before the injury. I know, his OBP might drop below .550. Oh noes! As he promptly goes yard. Edited April 20, 2019 by treat88 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stickfig13 1,337 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 When does he start to play like the #1 pick? He’s been pretty mediocre since the injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopackgo555 6 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 hrs this month so I guess the answer is now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BostonCajun 1,675 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 What he's doing this year has gone so far under the radar it's sort of unfair to Trout. He's currently sporting arguably the best triple slash line of his career with .295/.466/.633 and a wOBA of .445. He's also having career numbers for Hard% (45.1%), SwStr% (4.7%), Contact% (92.8%), O-Swing% (16.7), and ISO (.338). He's walked more times than he has struck out (61 BB to 48 k's) and he's nearly driven in more runs than the number of times he's been k'd (44 rbis to 48 k's). He already has 15 doubles which is nearly half of his career best (39) he had in both 2013 and 2014. I would say that he's been performing like the number one pick since the beginning of the year and that the counting stats are catching up with this streak he's been on recently. He truly is the most fun player to watch that I can remember. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopackgo555 6 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 They need to create another league for him at this point. Just have him face top 5 pitchers because everything else is a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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