Kilo 138 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, Homerj24 said: That said, I am still scared to start Monty tomorrow night. I have no concerns regarding his value over the course of the season, but early on Chicago could ease him in. I have him as a FLEX player in my keeper league and may consider other options. I don't have those concerns. Nagy gave him starter's treatment during the preseason as I think they wanted to make sure he would full go Week 1. Green Bay's defense against the run last season was middle of the road. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderDan 155 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 This is a HUGE game for the Bears. First game of the season, home game versus Green Bay. There will be no easing in. Someone above me said that this time next week, we're going to be viewing Monty as an RB1. And I agree completely. Start with confidence. Also, all this "Nagy is a moron" stuff is way, WAY overblown. True, he made some curious decisions last year, particularly with the lead. But for every example of Nagy calling a zone read for Mitch in short yardage situation, I can find you 5 where he handed it to Howard to run into Kyle Long for no gain. Everyone remembers the exceptions, no one remembers when Nagy "did what he's supposed to do." Nagy committed to Howard, and Howard failed. Expect a similar commitment to a more talented back this year, with much better results. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JSA2422 1,604 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 You gotta start Montgomery - It's the first game of the season ...the anticipation and hype is too strong ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dropshadows 269 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryansm11 said: I drafted Montgomery so he’s going to be an RB1 guys, don’t worry. I drafted him too. Which by looking at my past luck, I'm terribly sorry in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grayson2401 778 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Fort4242 said: I feel like this narrative has been debunked 100 times in this thread already. Nagy WANTED to use Jordan Howard as a three down back. He force fed him targets the first few weeks, and once Howard proved incapable, then he started using Cohen as the 3rd down/pass catcher RB. If Jordan Howard could have mad some hay with the targets he got weeks 1-3, I guarantee Nagy would have kept using him that way. But Howard couldn't deliver in that role, so Nagy had to separate the 2 backs and pigeon hole them into respective roles. With limited draft capital this year, he moved UP and got a guy very similar to the RB he had success with in KC. An RB who can actually catch and run, a true 3 down back. Not someone like Jordan Howard who they pretended could be a 3 down guy but was ineffective. This. Howard had 9 targets thru two weeks and was mostly ineffective. He never saw more than 3 in a game afterward and averaged just a hair over 1 target a game. Nagy tried to stand by his word and made an early effort, but it proved ineffective and he moved on. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miasma16 3,344 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Grayson2401 said: This. Howard had 9 targets thru two weeks and was mostly ineffective. He never saw more than 3 in a game afterward and averaged just a hair over 1 target a game. Nagy tried to stand by his word and made an early effort, but it proved ineffective and he moved on. This has nothing to do with how Howard was run. He was run incorrectly. Also, the implication by @ThunderDan that Howard has TRich-tier vision is laughable. He didn't have any issues picking up yardage and one-cutting into holes before Nagy came along. Again, by actually watching games, you can tell when a guy is just being used like a battering ram. Ineffectively, might I add. These bad and uninformed arguments will hopefully be irrelevant though. Nagy invested nothing in Howard. He invested plenty in Montgomery, who is a very different type of running back. We'll see whether Montgomery's talent or Nagy's inability to scheme a running game wins out. I'm betting on the former. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grayson2401 778 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, miasma16 said: This has nothing to do with how Howard was run. He was run incorrectly. Also, the implication by @ThunderDan that Howard has TRich-tier vision is laughable. He didn't have any issues picking up yardage and one-cutting into holes before Nagy came along. Again, by actually watching games, you can tell when a guy is just being used like a battering ram. Ineffectively, might I add. These bad and uninformed arguments will hopefully be irrelevant though. Nagy invested nothing in Howard. He invested plenty in Montgomery, who is a very different type of running back. We'll see whether Montgomery's talent or Nagy's inability to scheme a running game wins out. I'm betting on the former. I think everyone--myself included-- has made it clear that Howard was not a fit for Nagy's offense. And regardless, he saw 250 carries last season. It bodes well for Montgomery. That is the argument. But to the argument about Howard not having issues before Nagy: He did see his YPC decline from 5.2 (2016) to 4.1 (2017) prior to Nagy's arrival. And FWIW, his YPR dropped from 10.3 to 5.4. So even though Howard may have been a bad fit or misused, however you prefer to word it, maybe he is not quite as good as he appeared in his rookie season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gufomel 873 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I’m so pumped about having this guy on my team. Had Howard last year too, and the let down is going to be even bigger if Montgomery is a bust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 3,396 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 hours ago, SadFaceHappy said: Howard was used terribly, and ridiculously talked up via coachspeak preseason. He'd produced in his 2 previous seasons, and many of us got burned because we thought said coachspeak could only lead to greater heights. We were wrong, and we paid for it. Thus, we're reasonably bitter towards Nagy and wary of any bs he spouts before the season starts. For another example, see: Burton, Trey. The coachspeak coming out of Chicago regarding Montgomery is the same as that about Howard last year. That being said, I just got him for $17/$200 in auction, then added Jacobs for 21/200, and one of them should provide a solid RB2. Howard put up good numbers in an archaic offense on a terrible team. Nagy runs a modern offense and wins games. Howard couldn't cut it in that system. He's not dynamic. He has no burst. He can't run routes or make plays with the ball in his hands. That's all on Howard, not Nagy. If you wanted Nagy to run the comically horrible John Fox 1980s offense so Howard could pile up useless numbers, then that's on you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oliminator123 3,450 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, ajs723 said: If you wanted Nagy to run the comically horrible John Fox 1980s offense so Howard could pile up useless numbers, then that's on you. As a Howard owner last year (and not a Bears fan) I would have had 0 problems with this 😄 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 3,396 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, oliminator123 said: As a Howard owner last year (and not a Bears fan) I would have had 0 problems with this 😄 Ha! As a Bears fan, I would have been tearing my hair out, again. If you aren't a Bears fan, you have no idea how great it feels to finally have a competent, modern NFL offense. Jury is still out on the QB, IMO, but Nagy knows what he's doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjb 808 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, FreakFries said: Nagy was using defensive players as goal line backs last year. The Bears starter chart is meaningless. Yeah, I really don't understand Nagy. He came into last season as this offensive guru, but he makes some very questionable decisions. Hopefully he sees Monty as the most talented back on his roster, and plays him like it.🙄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjb 808 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, ajs723 said: Ha! As a Bears fan, I would have been tearing my hair out, again. If you aren't a Bears fan, you have no idea how great it feels to finally have a competent, modern NFL offense. Jury is still out on the QB, IMO, but Nagy knows what he's doing. I wish I was as confident as you. The bears have an outstanding defense, so running the ball should be priority with the lead, meaning Monty touches. I just don't understand his coaching decisions sometimes. PS, a good pk might get them to the SB.🏈 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fingers 658 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, ThunderDan said: This is a HUGE game for the Bears. First game of the season, home game versus Green Bay. There will be no easing in. Someone above me said that this time next week, we're going to be viewing Monty as an RB1. And I agree completely. Start with confidence. Also, all this "Nagy is a moron" stuff is way, WAY overblown. True, he made some curious decisions last year, particularly with the lead. But for every example of Nagy calling a zone read for Mitch in short yardage situation, I can find you 5 where he handed it to Howard to run into Kyle Long for no gain. Everyone remembers the exceptions, no one remembers when Nagy "did what he's supposed to do." Nagy committed to Howard, and Howard failed. Expect a similar commitment to a more talented back this year, with much better results. Preach! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderDan 155 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Although I'm somewhat hoping that Mike Davis gets the first carry of the game just to watch this thread absolutely meltdown. Pdog I'm lookin at you 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syke2007 20 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I'm a Montgomery owner and starting him tomorrow.. Im feeling optimistic about it too.. Howard's been on my squad the last couple years but something didn't feel right last year.. I mean you could just sense it,, whether it was Nagy or Howard idk.. But if Nagy is this excited about Monty then I'm rolling with him.. Hopefully he pans out and all the fantasy owners get to cash in on him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 752 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, ThunderDan said: Although I'm somewhat hoping that Mike Davis gets the first carry of the game just to watch this thread absolutely meltdown. Pdog I'm lookin at you I don't actually expect to see Montgomery start the game tomorrow but I do expect him to be the leading RB for the team and to put up solid numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdog109 4,721 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, ThunderDan said: Although I'm somewhat hoping that Mike Davis gets the first carry of the game just to watch this thread absolutely meltdown. Pdog I'm lookin at you I'll save the meltdown for the 3rd quarter when the bears have a double digit lead and Nagy dials up more pass plays and continually goes 3 and out using Davis. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DekuTree 1,280 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, ThunderDan said: Although I'm somewhat hoping that Mike Davis gets the first carry of the game just to watch this thread absolutely meltdown. Pdog I'm lookin at you Don't worry, the season is young... There's still time for pleeeeeeennnnty of Pdog meltdowns 😂 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gufomel 873 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Only 24 hours until everyone realizes DMont is a stud! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OdellBaconJr 65 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 WE all riding with D MONT TMR NIGHT 😈 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
INFAMOUS_OH10 13 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 It's between Montgomery and Aaron Jones in one of my leagues, I'm going with Monty since he faces a softer Defense..Let's gooooo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brooklynfinest42 148 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) i hope this guys is a monster this year.... solid rb2 numbers is all we ask for i think Edited September 5, 2019 by Patrick Bateman Don't need to know about your draft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deezel629 99 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, gufomel said: Only 24 hours until everyone realizes DMont is a stud! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
urbank07 180 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Monty about to feast. Have to imagine the bears staff is chomping at the bit to show off their shiny new to everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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