Low and Away 1,574 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, SuperJoint said: Oh man that is one of my FAVE examples. You likely know I have used that infinite times. As examples go this one is false. Strassburg came up in June 2010, pitched 68 innings and in August he had TJ surgery. For 2011 he came back in September (barely a year after the surgery) and threw 24 innings. The next year (2012) the Nats were extremely careful with him. In somewhere around like 25 starts only in 4 of them did he go past 6 innings (those 4 were 7 innings). They shut him down after his last start on September 7. So the Nats didn't refuse to pitch him in the playoffs, they never made the playoffs as the team fell apart during September. Would Strassburg have made a difference? Maybe... maybe not. But you had a young (about 23 years old) that had pitched 92 total innings the previous 2 years with TJ surgery included in those two years. Shutting him down seems reasonable to me when I see how young pitchers workloads get managed, Paddock comes to mind. As for Hiura he should be up and playing. But the extra year of control is important to a small market team and there is no certainity that even with him the Brewers make the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Csiebert5 202 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, 2ndCitySox said: so you sacrifice one chance at a post season to gain one chance at a post season? Now this is the perfect quote for this scenario!!! Awesome. What’s the point of saving him for the future if he can help you NOW!? You have one chance this year to make the playoffs and win a title. This way of thinking essentially shows the team thinks they’ll have a better team/better chance to win in his final extra year than this year. That’s the logic here. Edited June 24, 2019 by Csiebert5 spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KidDynamite420 143 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Not sure if this has been posted yet https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.brewcrewball.com/platform/amp/2019/6/22/18713234/keston-hiura-should-now-be-safe-from-reaching-super-two-status Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rf_haymaker 61 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Hiura is 3–5 with 1 Run 1 HR 4 RBI and 1 BB & 2 K today for the San Antonio Missions. As a Cubs fan, I am thrilled that the Brewers are unconscionably keeping him down. As an owner of Hiura in a fantasy league...not so thrilled. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoadApple 444 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I dont blame anyone but I get way too excited when I see an update in this thread. #FreeKeston 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rf_haymaker 61 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, RoadApple said: I dont blame anyone but I get way too excited when I see an update in this thread. #FreeKeston 😄 Yeah, sorry to get your hopes up. It seriously just can not be much longer though, for all of the reasons highlighted in this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wahoos1 382 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, rf_haymaker said: 😄 Yeah, sorry to get your hopes up. It seriously just can not be much longer though, for all of the reasons highlighted in this thread. I asked yesterday who would they send down if they bring up Hiura, the answer was Shaw, makes sense but considering he’s making 4.6 mil and Perez is making 2.5 mil this year, not likely to happen baring a trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wytchclt55 333 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, wahoos1 said: I asked yesterday who would they send down if they bring up Hiura, the answer was Shaw, makes sense but considering he’s making 4.6 mil and Perez is making 2.5 mil this year, not likely to happen baring a trade. I’m pretty sure Shaw has no more options left so I doubt he gets sent down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,292 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Wytchclt55 said: I’m pretty sure Shaw has no more options left so I doubt he gets sent down No, he does have options yet. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,103 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 beat the dead horse 🐎 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slimzy17 187 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Please Brewers call him up this week! Please... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knifeparty 145 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Can't they just put Shaw at 1B and send Aguilar down? I feel like Shaw has a better chance of turning it around then Jesus. Either way neither should be blocking Hiura from starting everyday at 2B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,292 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, knifeparty said: Can't they just put Shaw at 1B and send Aguilar down? I feel like Shaw has a better chance of turning it around then Jesus. Either way neither should be blocking Hiura from starting everyday at 2B. Aguilar cannot he sent down. They’d have to DFA him. Shaw is also more valuable because he can play multiple positions. The sticking point here is Thames and Shaw both hit LH, so wouldn’t be a true platoon. But yeah, none of them should be blocking their 4th best hitter from playing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,571 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, knifeparty said: Can't they just put Shaw at 1B and send Aguilar down? I feel like Shaw has a better chance of turning it around then Jesus. ... Shaw has options. Aguilar doesn't. These decisions aren't made in a vacuum of pure baseball play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
worldclass 163 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 If the Brewers have been planning on trading Hiura all along for a top pitcher, then holding Hiura down past Super Two would only increase his value, no? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare13 1,257 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, worldclass said: If the Brewers have been planning on trading Hiura all along for a top pitcher, then holding Hiura down past Super Two would only increase his value, no? This makes a ton of sense actually. At least to me. We all just assumed that Keston would turn into an immediate 5 category stud without thinking that he would be traded. Any new lineup and new ballpark would likely not help aside from playing time and maybe lineup position. I’d rather see him hitting somewhere in the heart of the brewers order, but I’d be happy just to see him play. All pure speculation though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MathieuVirtuoso 138 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, worldclass said: If the Brewers have been planning on trading Hiura all along for a top pitcher, then holding Hiura down past Super Two would only increase his value, no? Yes it would, I don't think anybody knows what the Brewers motives are at the moment obviously. I also don't think trading Keston would be a great idea considering he can be a difference maker from Day 1 on a rookie scale contract.. What pitcher out there is elite and cost controllable for the next few years? Matt Boyd maybe? Playing on the Tigers would not really be good for Keston's value. Edited June 25, 2019 by MathieuVirtuoso Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoadApple 444 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, MathieuVirtuoso said: Yes it would, I don't think anybody knows what the Brewers motives are at the moment obviously. I also don't think trading Keston would be a great idea considering he can be a difference maker from Day 1 on a rookie scale contract.. What pitcher out there is elite and cost controllable for the next few years? Matt Boyd maybe? Playing on the Tigers would not really be good for Keston's value. I think if the Brewers feel a starting pitcher would allow them to compete for World Series this year then "Cost controllable" may not be a requirement (Like CC Sabathia a few years back) Maybe Madison Bumgarner? That being said I highly doubt the Brewers would trade this kid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Members_Only_76 7,290 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 since when have the Brewers prioritized paying a lot for starting pitching? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoadApple 444 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said: since when have the Brewers prioritized paying a lot for starting pitching? In 2008 they gave up a pretty substantial package(At the time) for CC Sabathia, same ownership. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST. STEVEN 4,383 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said: since when have the Brewers prioritized paying a lot for starting pitching? They been rather awful developing it, Woodruff is about the only semi-successful story...They haven't really 'payed a lot' since well before the Stearns era, when Doug Melvin sent Odorizzi, Escobar and I think Cain for Greinke and then again when they shipped the highly touted LaPorta and underrated Brantley for the CC rental that propelled them to the playoffs with one of the best pitching stretch performances I have ever seen. They got Davies and Chase Anderson on the cheap and kinda overspent on Chacin in FA--though he was more than serviceable last year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ASHLANDARROWS1992 2,135 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 hilarious how the fantasy baseball talk thread with the most activity is about a guy who isn't even in the majors right now...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,571 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, RoadApple said: I think if the Brewers feel a starting pitcher would allow them to compete for World Series this year then "Cost controllable" may not be a requirement (Like CC Sabathia a few years back) Maybe Madison Bumgarner? That being said I highly doubt the Brewers would trade this kid. They need bats just as much right now with Shaw, the 1B platoon mess, and even Cain failing. And Bumgarner would be a negative rental because have you seen his pitching line this season? He makes Milwaukee pitchers look like aces by comparison. His last outing lasted 3.2 innings for an ERA of over 14. No way you give up a great, top ranked prospect like Hirua for trash like that. I'm sure the Brewers wanted to move Shaw or the current 1B platoon comedy team for pitching and hoped they looked good enough to get a pitcher but that isn't happening. But Plan B is not to suddenly give away this season totally -- and the seasons to come (Hirua) -- for a garbage rental. Hirua staying on the team gives them their best shot for this year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Members_Only_76 7,290 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, RoadApple said: In 2008 they gave up a pretty substantial package(At the time) for CC Sabathia, same ownership. Since 2008. 11 years. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoadApple 444 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said: Since 2008. 11 years. 👍 To be fair though, the Brewers as a team havent been challenging for a World Series in many of those years. Theyve only made the playoffs twice in that time, including last season. So there havent been many opportunities to make a run. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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