Gile Pile 1,206 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 trades, free agents, retirement news, rumors here... If Kawhi goes to Lakers, will that be better (or worse) than KD going to Warriors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,375 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Less than zero chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Gile Pile said: trades, free agents, retirement news, rumors here... If Kawhi goes to Lakers, will that be better (or worse) than KD going to Warriors? If Kawhi goes to either of the LA teams I wouldn’t be surprised and it wouldn’t be as offensive Durant going to the Warriors. Kawhi is from LA and went to school in San Diego so it’s not that surprising. Durant is from the DC area and went to the Warriors to ring chase. I don’t see how they’re comparable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trench Mob 1,691 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Gile Pile said: If Kawhi goes to Lakers, will that be better (or worse) than KD going to Warriors? And to follow up on what @StifleTower2 said, Kawhi already proved himself tenfold. He can do what he pleases. KD can too because he's a grown man, but he's a b****. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyBallFan 473 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 IMO Kawhi going to the Lakers is way worse and i'm a Lakers. Yeah he won a championship by himself, but why join two of Top 5 players immediately after? Especially at a time when the league is wide open. As much as I think KD is a b**** I felt his move was made in an attempt to beat Lebron who stood atop of the league at that time. As of right now, Kawhi stands at the top of the league and joining Lebrons team is as weak as it gets. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,375 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Looks like Kemba to the Celtics and possibly Rose to the Pistons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simsanityy179 402 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Kemba walker to Celtics I like it 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Irving to the Nets, Kemba to Boston, DAR to wherever...seems like a lot of lateral moves to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tremixt 2,064 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 hours ago, FantasyBallFan said: IMO Kawhi going to the Lakers is way worse and i'm a Lakers. Yeah he won a championship by himself, but why join two of Top 5 players immediately after? Especially at a time when the league is wide open. As much as I think KD is a b**** I felt his move was made in an attempt to beat Lebron who stood atop of the league at that time. As of right now, Kawhi stands at the top of the league and joining Lebrons team is as weak as it gets. It's not. Kawhi was awesome, but i think he appreciated the type of grind it takes to lead a team to a title with no other stars. He had an assortment of injuries he was dealing with, even with his load management of 20 games. Not sure he wants that type of responsibility for another 4-5+ years. Kawhi's proven he can win as part of a team (Spurs) and as the man (Raptors). He has nothing else to prove. He either wants to return home and play for the most marketable team (and win) or make as much money as possible (Raptors). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I believe that of the teams that Kawhi is considering, wherever he decides will probably become one of the front runners for a title. If either of the LA teams adds Kawhi to what they already have then they become contenders. If he stays in Toronto, they remain a contender. There are no bad choices for Kawhi. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kane 2,887 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Vuc plans to return to magic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
young_styler 552 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) As a Mavs fan, I would love to see Kawhi sign with Dallas, but that's not gonna happen. I think he'll sign with the Clippers along with either Jimmy or KD. He'll still be my favorite player as long as he doesn't join the Lakers lol. I don't think he's made like that though so I'm not too worried about it. Edited June 30, 2019 by young_styler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El_Chingon 1,813 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 6 hours ago, kane said: Vuc plans to return to magic But....wait....wasn't Bamba drafted last year to take away his job? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KB24MVP 188 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, El_Chingon said: But....wait....wasn't Bamba drafted last year to take away his job? Thought so too, lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,375 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Orlando is a dumpster fire. They don’t know what direction they want to go. You draft Bamba to replace Vucevic, just to re-sign Vucevic? Inept team. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 hours ago, kane said: Vuc plans to return to magic 14 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said: Orlando is a dumpster fire. They don’t know what direction they want to go. You draft Bamba to replace Vucevic, just to re-sign Vucevic? Inept team. I could have told you that 3-4 months ago. It was reportedly locally that if they made the playoffs they would sign Vuc. I listened to a podcast late in the season in which Fournier and Vuc basically spilled the beans on that one. I also heard Vuc would accept less than the max but he was firm on the deal being at least 4 years (probably bc he knows he's going to be past prime and this is his time to cash in). The Magic were reluctant to sign a deal that long but it's not surprising they caved. Coincidentally Ross wasn't included in the podcast. Brilliant take.😆 Orlando is one of the smallest markets in the NBA and Vuc is their best player since Shaq. Yes, he's better than Dipo and Tobias. If they let him leave they'll be miss the playoffs for the next decade. They'd "rebuild" but the process doesn't work the way it used to bc of the draft reforms. There's no point in a playoff team losing their best player to tank. Not to mention a few teams in the bottom tier of the East's potential playoff bracket: Detroit, Miami, Charlotte are likely getting worse leaving Orlando as a potential 5th-6th seed. They have to use that cap space somewhere and no one else at Vuc's level is coming for free agency. Bamba is completely irrelevant. I don't know why he's brought up so frequently. It's like rotoworld all agrees that this next guy (whoever he is) is going to be the next superstar and any evidence to the contrary is ignored (confirmation bias) to the point where the player almost becomes a folklore immune from criticism. They were like that with Nerlens Noel for a while. Bamba isn't good now. Maybe he can become good. But if you want him to develop don't you think one of the most skilled bigs in the game can teach him something? They didn't draft Bamba to "replace Vuc". They drafted Bamba because they perceived him to be BPA. They didn't draft for need, otherwise they'd draft a PG. It didn't really work out for Portland when they drafted Bowie for need did it? Since then it's generally been seen as a bad idea. Look at the players drafted behind him in the lottery: Wendell, Sexton, Knox, the two Bridges, SGA, Jerome Robinson, Porter, Brown, Smith. Which of these players have both more upside than Bamba and are a better fit for the Magic? SGA would have been cool, no doubt. Other than that, Sexton is a PG getting run but is generally regarded as inefficient and a poor defender. He's not really better than Augustin atm. Other than that, none of the other players fit a position need. They would have been projects too. Maybe they should have taken Wendell over Bamba? Hindsight is 20/20. One thing I'm certain of is that not a lot of thought went into the above criticism. The Magic had to draft someone, none of the other players below him were really better, and teams draft picks all the time that don't work out. The narrative that Orlando drafted Bamba to replace Vuc is one that I've mostly just heard around this forum. And anyway if they drafted for need I swear you guys would lambast them for that too. E.g. if they drafted Sexton...pssst they're a dumpster fire, drafting for need. Don't you know Wendell was better? It's as if you've already pre-decided that certain teams are "bad" and no matter what they do it will confirm your bias that they're bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,375 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said: I could have told you that 3-4 months ago. It was reportedly locally that if they made the playoffs they would sign Vuc. I listened to a podcast late in the season in which Fournier and Vuc basically spilled the beans on that one. I also heard Vuc would accept less than the max but he was firm on the deal being at least 4 years (probably bc he knows he's going to be past prime and this is his time to cash in). The Magic were reluctant to sign a deal that long but it's not surprising they caved. Coincidentally Ross wasn't included in the podcast. Brilliant take.😆 Orlando is one of the smallest markets in the NBA and Vuc is their best player since Shaq. Yes, he's better than Dipo and Tobias. If they let him leave they'll be miss the playoffs for the next decade. They'd "rebuild" but the process doesn't work the way it used to bc of the draft reforms. There's no point in a playoff team losing their best player to tank. Not to mention a few teams in the bottom tier of the East's potential playoff bracket: Detroit, Miami, Charlotte are likely getting worse leaving Orlando as a potential 5th-6th seed. They have to use that cap space somewhere and no one else at Vuc's level is coming for free agency. Bamba is completely irrelevant. I don't know why he's brought up so frequently. It's like rotoworld all agrees that this next guy (whoever he is) is going to be the next superstar and any evidence to the contrary is ignored (confirmation bias) to the point where the player almost becomes a folklore immune from criticism. They were like that with Nerlens Noel for a while. Bamba isn't good now. Maybe he can become good. But if you want him to develop don't you think one of the most skilled bigs in the game can teach him something? They didn't draft Bamba to "replace Vuc". They drafted Bamba because they perceived him to be BPA. They didn't draft for need, otherwise they'd draft a PG. It didn't really work out for Portland when they drafted Bowie for need did it? Since then it's generally been seen as a bad idea. Look at the players drafted behind him in the lottery: Wendell, Sexton, Knox, the two Bridges, SGA, Jerome Robinson, Porter, Brown, Smith. Which of these players have both more upside than Bamba and are a better fit for the Magic? SGA would have been cool, no doubt. Other than that, Sexton is a PG getting run but is generally regarded as inefficient and a poor defender. He's not really better than Augustin atm. Other than that, none of the other players fit a position need. They would have been projects too. Maybe they should have taken Wendell over Bamba? Hindsight is 20/20. One thing I'm certain of is that not a lot of thought went into the above criticism. The Magic had to draft someone, none of the other players below him were really better, and teams draft picks all the time that don't work out. The narrative that Orlando drafted Bamba to replace Vuc is one that I've mostly just heard around this forum. And anyway if they drafted for need I swear you guys would lambast them for that too. E.g. if they drafted Sexton...pssst they're a dumpster fire, drafting for need. Don't you know Wendell was better? It's as if you've already pre-decided that certain teams are "bad" and no matter what they do it will confirm your bias that they're bad. If they lose Ross, they won’t make the playoffs, because he was essentially the reason how they got that last playoff seed anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said: If they lose Ross, they won’t make the playoffs, because he was essentially the reason how they got that last playoff seed anyways. Idk if they will resign Ross or if they don’t whether they will miss the playoffs. Nor was that the thesis of my post. I can’t fathom a universe in which a small market team signing their best player to a reasonable, less than full max deal is inept. Given that you didn’t address that in your rebuttal I’ll assume your original post was pure hyperbole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KB24MVP 188 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) Is there some Live Show starting at 6pm which covers all the action? Maybe ESPN with Stephen A or Woj ? Edited June 30, 2019 by KB24MVP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sylvanus 35 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 "Best player since Shaq"??? He's been very good, but come-on man...T-Mac and Dwight Howard?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, sylvanus said: "Best player since Shaq"??? He's been very good, but come-on man...T-Mac and Dwight Howard?? Either way, even it's that's hyperbole it's still dumb to say the Magic are inept in signing him to a less than max deal. For anyone who thinks the Magic are inept answer two questions: 1) Who is better than Vuc who has been linked to the Magic who is willing to sign for less than 25M? 2) Who out of the 2018 draft class was drafted after Bamba has shown more potential than Bamba? You can't list a forward or center because then it will be argued the Magic are inept by not starting them over Vuc or Gordon. Sounds like a small market making the best choices they can given what's available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sylvanus 35 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I think they made the best decision they could today signing Vuc. However, I also think they are inept. From coaching decisions (Scott Skiles, 1 year disaster) to losing Harris, Oladipo, to a giant contract for Biyombo while also trading for Ibaka and trying to play Gordon at the 3. Lack of strategy for at least 5 years...no clear plan. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, sylvanus said: I think they made the best decision they could today signing Vuc. However, I also think they are inept. From coaching decisions (Scott Skiles, 1 year disaster) to losing Harris, Oladipo, to a giant contract for Biyombo while also trading for Ibaka and trying to play Gordon at the 3. Lack of strategy for at least 5 years...no clear plan. I suppose that moniker could apply to any franchise in the NBA over the last ten years other than those who have won titles. Everyone has made mistakes in hindsight. Even teams with plans made mistakes. Philly had a plan with "The Process" and it hasn't won any titles. And they've made mistakes (Okafor, Noel). Morey in Houston had a plan, it hasn't worked, and they've gutted their team to implement it. Name any team and I'll list five things they've done wrong recently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idoolittle 667 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Any predictions? Here's what I'm going with. 1 Kawhi Leonard (28) F Toronto Raptors UFA 2 Kevin Durant (30) F L.A. Clippers UFA 3 Kyrie Irving (27) G Brooklyn Nets UFA 4 Kemba Walker (29) G Boston Celtics UFA 5 Klay Thompson (29) G Golden State Warriors UFA 6 Kristaps Porzingis (23) F Dallas Mavericks RFA 7 Jimmy Butler (29) G Philadelphia 76ers UFA 8 Tobias Harris (26) F Brooklyn Nets UFA 9 Khris Middleton (27) F Milwaukee Bucks UFA 10 Nikola Vucevic (28) C Orlando Magic UFA 11 D'Angelo Russell (23) G Minnesota Timberwolves RFA 12 Malcolm Brogdon (26) G Milwaukee Bucks RFA 13 JJ Redick (35) G L.A. Lakers UFA 14 DeMarcus Cousins (28) C L.A. Clippers UFA 15 Al Horford (33) C Sacramento Kings UFA 16 Bojan Bogdanovic (30) F Utah Jazz UFA 17 Julius Randle (24) F New York Knicks UFA 18 Brook Lopez (31) C New Orleans Pelicans UFA 19 DeAndre Jordan (30) C New York Knicks UFA 20 Harrison Barnes (27) F Sacramento Kings UFA 21 Derrick Rose (30) G Detroit Pistons UFA 22 Isaiah Thomas (30) G Sacramento Kings UFA 23 Jabari Parker (24) F Utah Jazz UFA 24 Jonas Valanciunas (27) C Memphis Grizzlies UFA 25 Patrick Beverley (30) G L.A. Lakers UFA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StifleTower2 2,525 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Idoolittle said: Any predictions? Here's what I'm going with. 1 Kawhi Leonard (28) F Toronto Raptors UFA 2 Kevin Durant (30) F L.A. Clippers UFA 3 Kyrie Irving (27) G Brooklyn Nets UFA 4 Kemba Walker (29) G Boston Celtics UFA 5 Klay Thompson (29) G Golden State Warriors UFA 6 Kristaps Porzingis (23) F Dallas Mavericks RFA 7 Jimmy Butler (29) G Philadelphia 76ers UFA 8 Tobias Harris (26) F Brooklyn Nets UFA 9 Khris Middleton (27) F Milwaukee Bucks UFA 10 Nikola Vucevic (28) C Orlando Magic UFA 11 D'Angelo Russell (23) G Minnesota Timberwolves RFA 12 Malcolm Brogdon (26) G Milwaukee Bucks RFA 13 JJ Redick (35) G L.A. Lakers UFA 14 DeMarcus Cousins (28) C L.A. Clippers UFA 15 Al Horford (33) C Sacramento Kings UFA 16 Bojan Bogdanovic (30) F Utah Jazz UFA 17 Julius Randle (24) F New York Knicks UFA 18 Brook Lopez (31) C New Orleans Pelicans UFA 19 DeAndre Jordan (30) C New York Knicks UFA 20 Harrison Barnes (27) F Sacramento Kings UFA 21 Derrick Rose (30) G Detroit Pistons UFA 22 Isaiah Thomas (30) G Sacramento Kings UFA 23 Jabari Parker (24) F Utah Jazz UFA 24 Jonas Valanciunas (27) C Memphis Grizzlies UFA 25 Patrick Beverley (30) G L.A. Lakers UFA I'll only list the things I disagree with otherwise it's a waste of time: 1) Butler pretty much not staying in Philly imo. He doesn't get along well with others. Whereas, Philly seems interested in keeping Tobias. Maybe flip Butler and Tobias. 2) DAR: Bold shot in the dark? I haven't seen him tied to anyone. 3) Same with BroLo. I haven't seen him tied anywhere other than the Bucks. The others seem legit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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