DonutGiveUp 1,537 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, hi_its_kawhi said: Ye but JV aint the future. His minutes will go down Wrong... Memphis traded its franchise center for JV and handed him a 3 year 45mill contract just this off season and have actually been competitive. LOL some acting like JV is 38 the guy is a fantasy beast in limited minutes. Bums like Hill and Crowder will get shipped or fall out of the rotation not JV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,474 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, DonutGiveUp said: Wrong... Memphis traded its franchise center for JV and handed him a 3 year 45mill contract just this off season and have actually been competitive. LOL some acting like JV is 38 the guy is a fantasy beast in limited minutes. Bums like Hill and Crowder will get shipped or fall out of the rotation not JV This man gets it . JV is a solid center and in his prime . He's been hitting 3's as well lately 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hi_its_kawhi 12 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, RunCMC said: This man gets it . JV is a solid center and in his prime . He's been hitting 3's as well lately Buddies he doesnt fit the memphis timeline tho. The contract was given to him to make him attractive as a trade asset next season 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,474 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, hi_its_kawhi said: Buddies he doesnt fit the memphis timeline tho. The contract was given to him to make him attractive as a trade asset next season And what arbitrary timeline is that ... he was given the contract he deserved . Worked out for both parties , he's 26 lmao he can work with any timeline . Theres 96 minutes total at C and PF for the Grizzlies, you divy that up 3 way even split between JV , JJJ, & B.C you get 32 mins each . That's about as perfect as it gets . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hi_its_kawhi 12 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RunCMC said: And what arbitrary timeline is that ... he was given the contract he deserved . Worked out for both parties , he's 26 lmao he can work with any timeline . Theres 96 minutes total at C and PF for the Grizzlies, you divy that up 3 way even split between JV , JJJ, & B.C you get 32 mins each . That's about as perfect as it gets . The "competitive in 3 years" timeline. That said, your math just supports the argument that Brandon Clarke is worth rostering, even if JV maintains his minutes. Thanks man! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,474 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, hi_its_kawhi said: The "competitive in 3 years" timeline. That said, your math just supports the argument that Brandon Clarke is worth rostering, even if JV maintains his minutes. Thanks man! We’re in agreement there, I never said anything to the contrary. Kid’s a stud , and has a bright future ahead of him. Just trying to clear this false narrative about Jonas , that he’s too old or doesn’t fit in the current scheme. JV is actually balling if you check his stats, and even he’s not getting full minutes. He hovers around the mid 20’s most nights. If anything we should be advocating for Crowder to get less playing time . He definitely doesn’t fit any timeline , nor is he some special talent. A 3&D guy who’s on the decline phase of his career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hi_its_kawhi 12 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, RunCMC said: We’re in agreement there, I never said anything to the contrary. Kid’s a stud , and has a bright future ahead of him. Just trying to clear this false narrative about Jonas , that he’s too old or doesn’t fit in the current scheme. JV is actually balling if you check his stats, and even he’s not getting full minutes. He hovers around the mid 20’s most nights. If anything we should be advocating for Crowder to get less playing time . He definitely doesn’t fit any timeline , nor is he some special talent. A 3&D guy who’s on the decline phase of his career. Fair enough. The main point I want to get across is that Brandon Clarke is a stud that is worth rostering in 12- and even 10-team leagues 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasyscrub 365 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 “Just hold on guys, he’ll be Unleashed soon” 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MuscleChestbrook 531 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Reaching drop territory after that hot start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mmcc1029 1,462 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MuscleChestbrook said: Reaching drop territory after that hot start. Yea I'm getting close too, sometimes the tantalizing per minute upside they preach never actually materializes either. If I miss it oh well, dude has been boring lately. I'll give hime another week maybe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Barboni 449 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Balls this sucks. Because if you drop, he’s going to get picked up - and held. Most knowledgeable owners see the upside. I’m going to hold for now. Only because I don’t wan to see him added. Oh, and I’m also in the position to be able to “hold”. you other scrubs? Yea might be time to move on and get some wins. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MuscleChestbrook 531 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, Ray Barboni said: Balls this sucks. Because if you drop, he’s going to get picked up - and held. Most knowledgeable owners see the upside. I’m going to hold for now. Only because I don’t wan to see him added. Oh, and I’m also in the position to be able to “hold”. you other scrubs? Yea might be time to move on and get some wins. Lmaoooo. Ok King. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taenggg 1,152 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 He hasnt been able to translate his stock numbers from college into the NBA. Even in limited minutes i think most of us thought he'd deliver in those cats, but he's basically just a FG anchor stash guy right now. There's also no guarantee he will get extended run come fantasy playoffs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasyscrub 365 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Drop city cant deal with it anymore. 6-4 in 18 mins. What’s he going to do with 30 minutes? 12-8? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyking69 275 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fantasyscrub said: Drop city cant deal with it anymore. 6-4 in 18 mins. What’s he going to do with 30 minutes? 12-8? i feel you bro ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hi_its_kawhi 12 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Fantasyscrub said: “Just hold on guys, he’ll be Unleashed soon” I mean hes a hold even if hes never unleashed, unless youre punting fg% and need more rebounds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasyscrub 365 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, hi_its_kawhi said: I mean hes a hold even if hes never unleashed, unless youre punting fg% and need more rebounds yeah, his 6 ppg and 4 rpg are too good to pass up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lifschitz 2,246 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fantasyscrub said: yeah, his 6 ppg and 4 rpg are too good to pass up He had plenty of monster lines throughout the year, he's been a little quiet as of late, but no reason to drop. I don't think you understand how scarce the wire is for productive bigs who are rank friendly. He's also just doing this in 16-20 min. If he reaches 25 (which there is no reason why) he's going to be on someone else's team killing it, and you'll be sitting here wondering why you dropped him. He's a bench big who complements the rest of your starters, what better options are available on your wire with his upside who are providing high floor lines? Edited January 8, 2020 by Lifschitz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
indigorivers 290 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 My only issue about this guy is if they keep winning why have bump his minutes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasyscrub 365 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lifschitz said: He had plenty of monster lines throughout the year, he's been a little quiet as of late, but no reason to drop. I don't think you understand how scarce the wire is for productive bigs who are rank friendly. He's also just doing this in 16-20 min. If he reaches 25 (which there is no reason why) he's going to be on someone else's team killing it, and you'll be sitting here wondering why you dropped him. He's a bench big who complements the rest of your starters, what better options are available on your wire with his upside who are providing high floor lines? there’s normal Powell, culver, bjelica Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkyume 938 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Lifschitz said: He had plenty of monster lines throughout the year, he's been a little quiet as of late, but no reason to drop. I don't think you understand how scarce the wire is for productive bigs who are rank friendly. He's also just doing this in 16-20 min. If he reaches 25 (which there is no reason why) he's going to be on someone else's team killing it, and you'll be sitting here wondering why you dropped him. He's a bench big who complements the rest of your starters, what better options are available on your wire with his upside who are providing high floor lines? We should just let these posters drop so we don’t hear these repetitive complaints anymore. Some people don’t value (or understand) efficiency stats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasyscrub 365 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, darkyume said: We should just let these posters drop so we don’t hear these repetitive complaints anymore. Some people don’t value (or understand) efficiency stats. what is so hard to understand? he shoots 77% ft on 1.7 attempts He shoots 55% but only takes 6 shots a game. These won’t sway any categories. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkyume 938 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) On 1/5/2020 at 11:30 PM, darkyume said: To add to this - on BBM, Brandon Clarke is #6 overall in FG% impact, and #5 overall in FG%+FT% impact because of his ability to be a huge difference maker in FG% without hurting free throws. He’s doing this in 21.3 mpg. On BBM you can sort by FG%+FT% by “punting” all other categories. 9 minutes ago, Fantasyscrub said: what is so hard to understand? he shoots 77% ft on 1.7 attempts He shoots 55% but only takes 6 shots a game. These won’t sway any categories. I quoted myself so I don’t have to repeat myself. The shot attempts are low but the math still comes out to #5 OVERALL in positive FG% impact. I’m okay if you don’t think that’s valuable, but please don’t misrepresent the actual mathematical value and impact by presenting the low shot attempts. You’re right that he doesn’t help with FT% much, but bigs that don’t hurt in FT% are also rare. For a team trying to boost FG% without hurting FT%, Brandon Clarke is incredibly valuable. Edited January 8, 2020 by darkyume 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lifschitz 2,246 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, darkyume said: I quoted myself so I don’t have to repeat myself. The shot attempts are low but the math still comes out to #5 OVERALL in positive FG% impact. I’m okay if you don’t think that’s valuable, but please don’t misrepresent the actual mathematical value and impact by presenting the low shot attempts. You’re right that he doesn’t help with FT% much, but bigs that don’t hurt in FT% are also rare. For a team trying to boost FG% without hurting FT%, Brandon Clarke is incredibly valuable. It's also the low end 1 / 1 / 1 appeal with bigger minutes, he's at .5, .4, .8 in just 21 min, he shoots 43% on 3's and should be given more attempts (1.2 currently), and partially those numbers have come down because it's hard to develop consistency when one game you're playing 25 min and the next 3 games you're playing 15-16. The potential is there to be that type of player, but he needs a consistent minute ramp up. I think if he keeps declining like this into about late January and there are no signs that he's going to get a consistent heavy dose of minutes moving forward, he can be safely considered a drop, but for now there are enough good lines sprinkled inbetween to make him a hold. Edited January 8, 2020 by Lifschitz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lifschitz 2,246 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Check out the games where he gets around 25 min, the lines are pretty disgusting. Charlotte - 18/5/3/1/3 and 1 3 OKC - 27 / 7 / 1 on 13/19 shooting Indiana - 17 / 4 / 1 and 1 block and 1 3 GS - 17/5/3/1/1 Denver - 19/5/1 and 2 3's Orlando - 13/6/1 and 1 block and 1 3 BKN - 10/7/2/1/1 Chicago - 14/5/1/1/3 His massive efficiency alone should encourage them to get him more involved, because he's so damn good at hitting floaters and knowing how/when to roll/pop properly. It's all there waiting to be unleashed, just needs consistent minutes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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