Taipan 424 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, samer42 said: He is a drop to me. He will have a big game intermittently, but the consistency just will not be there this year ...thought Ms. Cleo took her crystal ball with her when she departed this dear life, only to find out she left it with her discipline, you. Bottom line is, none of us can foresee how Washington will be performing 2 to 3 months down the road. Show me another player ranked in the top 60 for the year who you’ll be willing to cut this deep in the season barring injuries. NONE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samer42 173 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Taipan said: ...thought Ms. Cleo took her crystal ball with her when she departed this dear life, only to find out she left it with her discipline, you. Bottom line is, none of us can foresee how Washington will be performing 2 to 3 months down the road. Show me another player ranked in the top 60 for the year who you’ll be willing to cut this deep in the season barring injuries. NONE ESPN's player rater has him top 60, which is inflated from flukey high stocks games and low TOs which are a product of lower production overall. Other algorithms I've seen barely have him as a top 100 player, and if you assign less weight to TOs (again, guys who are underproducing like Washington and MitchRob have their total values inflated by low TOs) then he's outside the top 100 and is continuing to trend downward. https://hashtagbasketball.com/fantasy-basketball-rankings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swyck 43 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, samer42 said: Show me another player ranked in the top 60 for the year who you’ll be willing to cut this deep in the season barring injuries. NONE That's a pretty weak argument. Monster has him rated at #94 for the season, #147 the last two weeks. I don't have anyone that I'd drop him for right now, but that can change with injuries, or someone new stepping it up, and it depends on what you need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,226 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, samer42 said: ESPN's player rater has him top 60, which is inflated from flukey high stocks games and low TOs which are a product of lower production overall. Other algorithms I've seen barely have him as a top 100 player, and if you assign less weight to TOs (again, guys who are underproducing like Washington and MitchRob have their total values inflated by low TOs) then he's outside the top 100 and is continuing to trend downward. https://hashtagbasketball.com/fantasy-basketball-rankings I am confused where you see his trend downward. https://hashtagbasketball.com/fantasy-basketball-rankings If you have TO assigned 0.25 value (minimal possible value ) then PJ is ranked (per game) last week - 104th last 2 weeks - 159th last month - 125th season - 97th If anything this tells me that he is a rookie and that his rankings will have peaks and valleys all season long. and it seems that his season long ranking will be around 100. Unless you are in 8 team league he is a strong hold imo. He barely has any competition for minutes, other than team deciding to keep his minutes under 30 and occasional foul trouble. Come fantasy playoffs he will be on many championship teams when he gets unleashed and Hornets are playing for ping pong balls Edited December 3, 2019 by Gile Pile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richg24 1,773 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 People so caught up on rankings. Who cares what the rank says look at his game log since November 18th and you will find that only two of those games was not a dud. Every other game was trash. He is droppable now in 12 steamers if you have something good on the wire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StephonMarburysVaseline 71 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, richg24 said: People so caught up on rankings. Who cares what the rank says look at his game log since November 18th and you will find that only two of those games was not a dud. Every other game was trash. He is droppable now in 12 steamers if you have something good on the wire. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MWon 1,762 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, richg24 said: People so caught up on rankings. Who cares what the rank says look at his game log since November 18th and you will find that only two of those games was not a dud. Every other game was trash. He is droppable now in 12 steamers if you have something good on the wire. Heh, as someone who REALLY loves using rankings (with the caveat that one should apply context and time into the rankings) as a player value metric, I STILL agree with you on this one. Yeah, he's a rookie and he'll have ups and downs, but it's proven that his coach isn't afraid to move away from him and give his minutes to Marv Will or others, whether due to PJW's foul troubles or his coach's unwillingness to overtax a rookie with heavy minutes. Sure, he definitely has the potential to reward owners late in the season. It really depends on whether you're willing to wait that long and how much you value his upside over a comparable player who can immediately produce now. Again, whether to add or drop him is incredibly subjective depending on team needs, league size, who's on the wire/who you're dropping, but at least for me, I'm definitely scouring the wire for options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pootbrah 6 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 17 hours ago, kane said: Warren in FA pool?LOL My team's coming first by a fair bit as Warren was my least valued player in 12team. The rest of the league has obviously caught up a little with my blunder of viewing this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huk 71 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Clearly having some ups and downs, but contributing well. Bad % but nice all-around game yesterday w/ 9/5/3/1/1/1 Stocks ❤️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DemOrioles 517 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Might be good in cats but he’s pretty meh in points leagues lately. Lots of sub 20 point outings, which is trash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spyplane 1,607 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Having a rookie roller coaster season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huk 71 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 blocks and 2 treys. Played as a five also, at least had a number of matchups vs Deandre Jordan on both ends. Hopefully picks up C eligibility on ESPN How not to love him. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lifschitz 2,246 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 11:26 PM, Spyplane said: Having a rookie roller coaster season. as most rookies do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrandPa 21 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 8:21 AM, heyitsmattdelly said: bye Hello,it's me.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IDatDude 1,476 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I’m still holding and chilling. Fine with the ups and downs. Unless he drastically loses mins for a long stretch of time or something, will prob continue to be on my roster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeJordanBell 62 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 love his assists lately Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxemann 42 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 looking better every night lately Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrandPa 21 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 f--- I HOPE NOT BROKEN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,226 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, GrandPa said: f--- I HOPE NOT BROKEN what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrandPa 21 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Gile Pile said: what? Leg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ml6392 6 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Damn look at the FTs tonight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hoop 381 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) He's pleasantly aggressive tonight, driving to the paint and expecting contact. Free throws look surprisingly good too. Looks solid on defense too. Nice dishes. Unsurprisingly, he has the best +/- for the team. Interesting rotations, where he starts but plays a good bulk of minutes with the bench unit. Is it to get him more usage? I don't watch the Hornets enough Edit - I don't see him on the bench. I'm guessing he's already in the locker room getting his ankle iced and wrapped. He seemed to look ok after the sprain though Edited December 9, 2019 by hoop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DezedandConfused 3,035 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, GrandPa said: Leg What about his leg? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DezedandConfused 3,035 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Anyone watch the game when he sprained his ankle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kilslo 200 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 He landed awkwardly on a drive (on his own foot) Didn't look to be serious and he went to the locker room w not much (if any) of a limp Hopefully the game being out of reach was the reason he was ruled out 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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