kidtwentytwo 5,507 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) At the risk of being tarred and feathered, I’m starting to think he’s a little over rated. That doesn’t mean I’m saying be sucks or that I don’t like him, but are we overvaluing the “extra roster spot” which is so league dependent? He is a util which anyone can play and he’s probably set for about 110-125 innings if everything goes right. you can often just stream for those positions. unless he’s an above average SP is that worth it? he hasn’t pitched over 100 innings since Japan in 2016. We don’t know what we are going to get there as a SP. Hes particularly difficult to trade in a dynasty because everyone gushes over his “value” or ceiling but nobody is willing to pay the price for it. Edited January 10, 2020 by kidtwentytwo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluefrogguy 274 Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 8:12 AM, kidtwentytwo said: At the risk of being tarred and feathered, I’m starting to think he’s a little over rated. That doesn’t mean I’m saying be sucks or that I don’t like him, but are we overvaluing the “extra roster spot” which is so league dependent? He is a util which anyone can play and he’s probably set for about 110-125 innings if everything goes right. you can often just stream for those positions. unless he’s an above average SP is that worth it? he hasn’t pitched over 100 innings since Japan in 2016. We don’t know what we are going to get there as a SP. Hes particularly difficult to trade in a dynasty because everyone gushes over his “value” or ceiling but nobody is willing to pay the price for it. It is so league dependent it's hard to have a discussion on whether he is overrated or underrated. I'll give an extreme example- I have him in a relatively shallow 12 team league with no CI or MI, 3 OF slots and 2 UTIL slots, 5 bench slots with only 5 transaction a week allowed to limit streaming. Daily rosters, HTH 6x6 categories league with QS and OPS added. I can't imagine a league where he would be more valuable. I'll be able to plug him in the day he starts, put him at UTIL the other four or so days. In a league like that, roster slot flexibility is huge. You get a full time UTIL (plugging in another bench player the days he's off) and an extra SP start every week, without having to use one of my 5 transactions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluefrogguy 274 Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 10:33 PM, StevieStats said: I'm going to say in one Ohtani leagues that him being a closer would significantly hurt his value. Let's think about this, as a one player you have to choose on a given day whether he is going to be in your UTIL slot or your Pitcher slot. So as an SP with scheduled starts it makes it very easy to determine when to put him in your SP slot and when in UTIL. However, if he's a closer, unless they bench him certain days from hitting and tell you ahead of time it would be difficult to blindly guess when to stick him in RP. If they use him as a DH then bring him in to close, forget it, good luck guessing when to hit or pitch. Good points and didn't think of that. Unless the fantasy sites came up with some sort of way to allow him in two roster slots same day, you'd have to decide on UTIL or RP each day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevieStats 3,857 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, bluefrogguy said: Good points and didn't think of that. Unless the fantasy sites came up with some sort of way to allow him in two roster slots same day, you'd have to decide on UTIL or RP each day. He would be a fantasy monster if he were a closer and could collect both hitting and pitching stats on the same day as a single player. I'd love to see that! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
murraygd13 1,227 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, StevieStats said: He would be a fantasy monster if he were a closer and could collect both hitting and pitching stats on the same day as a single player. I'd love to see that! Would NL pitchers get credit for their hitting stats as well? Would that make AL pitchers more valuable since you wouldn't get the horrible average. Would it make relievers more valuable since they never get to hit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supac720 359 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 The part that will suck is that in Yahoo leagues where he is split is that you likely will have to carry him (pitcher) as a dead roster slot until he is ready to pitch in May or whenever. He won't be on the real-life IL, so you won't be able to stash him in there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baseball Jonze 361 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Will Ohtani play in the field at all this season? Get either 1B or RF eligibility or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OaksterDan 269 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, supac720 said: The part that will suck is that in Yahoo leagues where he is split is that you likely will have to carry him (pitcher) as a dead roster slot until he is ready to pitch in May or whenever. He won't be on the real-life IL, so you won't be able to stash him in there. Yahoo's separating of Ohtani into two players was/is really lame. I like them overall as a platform, but Ohtani should be one player. They should've figured it out. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidearmer 2,226 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Baseball Jonze said: Will Ohtani play in the field at all this season? Get either 1B or RF eligibility or something. Highly doubt it, they haven't said anything about that potentially happening. You can't have a rehabbing pitcher play in the field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sasnumberonefan 755 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 This guy is gonna be fun to own this year (in leagues where he isn’t split). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
einstein2u 494 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 have him in a weekly keeper league. dude loses a ton of value by not playing everyday and/or only pitching one time a week. than you add a rain out and you have a big zero for the week. but golly gee i think i am keep him over a ton of other guys just because he is so interesting to own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hockeyfan77 681 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, einstein2u said: have him in a weekly keeper league. dude loses a ton of value by not playing everyday and/or only pitching one time a week. than you add a rain out and you have a big zero for the week. but golly gee i think i am keep him over a ton of other guys just because he is so interesting to own. You can kinda take this worry away if the Angles are playing at home https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/05/angels-game-angel-stadium-rainout-rare-1995-mlb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B&F 932 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Is there any site that gives an auction value for Ohtani as only a hitter? Fantasypros gives his auction value as $14 as a hitter and pitcher. What might be a percentage of that amount I could give as a hitter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cs3 3,471 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, B&F said: Is there any site that gives an auction value for Ohtani as only a hitter? $17 according to Fangraphs auction calculator for 5x5. https://www.fangraphs.com/auctiontool.aspx?type=DH&proj=steamer&pos=2,1,1,1,5,1,1,1,0,1,6,3,0,10,0&dollars=260&teams=12&mp=20&msp=5&mrp=5&mb=1&split=&points=c|0,1,2,3,4|0,1,2,3,4&lg=mlb&rep=0&drp=0&pp=C,SS,2B,3B,OF,1B&players=&sort=1,a 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluefrogguy 274 Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 Platform differences on Ohtani: Yahoo- 2 players, eligibility intact for both (Util/DH and SP) CBS- 1 player, eligibility intact for both Fantrax- 1 player, ineligible at SP until 5 starts. ESPN- 1 player, eligible for both NFBC- 1 player, eligible for both Is this correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,291 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, bluefrogguy said: Platform differences on Ohtani: Yahoo- 2 players, eligibility intact for both (Util/DH and SP) CBS- 1 player, eligibility intact for both Fantrax- 1 player, ineligible at SP until 5 starts. ESPN- 1 player, eligible for both NFBC- 1 player, eligible for both Is this correct? onroto- Site will accommodate whatever league/commish agree to. Not stuck with platform restrictions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atomicdogg97 2 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 So how many times a week will he be a hitter? Where is he worth drafting as a hitter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrypTviLL 838 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Atomicdogg97 said: So how many times a week will he be a hitter? Where is he worth drafting as a hitter? Ohtani is a unique player that his ADP is directly dependent on your League type, settings, and your provider. There's no consensus ADP for him, but assuming he is a batter only (like on Y!) and he's only going to bat 3-4 games per week maybe, and assuming its a redraft standard daily league (and not a weekly league!) then I'd think he's pretty passable, but at around 200 or so I might grab him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
larfboy 268 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 With this news blurb that Ohtani will only throw on wednesdays...does this severely hurt his value in yahoo leagues? To clarify, The pitcher Ohtani is who I am referring to...🙄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duke of queens 1,063 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Why does the pitcher version have the IL designation on Yahoo? He is not on the IL correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hockeyfan77 681 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 7 hours ago, duke of queens said: Why does the pitcher version have the IL designation on Yahoo? He is not on the IL correct? Cause he ended last year on it? Just a guess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duke of queens 1,063 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, hockeyfan77 said: Cause he ended last year on it? Just a guess Hitter version isnt on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hockeyfan77 681 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, duke of queens said: Hitter version isnt on it That's because they are two players on yahoo, honestly, I don't know was just guessing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pierceNKC 493 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 is he SP and DH eligible in ESPN, or is he split? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore1521 1,461 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, pierceNKC said: is he SP and DH eligible in ESPN, or is he split? yep, hes as split as Riley Reid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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