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25 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Na, Blake Snell is a pro its not very hard to ramp back up for a season given they have a month (which they will). Imo Snells just mad because he was set to get paid 7 Million which is a lot more than his base salary of 1 million last year and now he wants "his". Reportedly its supposed to be an 82 game season, so why should he feel entitled for his full salary he's not playing 162, its just stupid. Especially with no or limited fans this year, does Snell expect the owners to just pay out of their pocket for this shortened season just so he can get "his"? Its just moronic he should be grateful to even play for 3.5 million.


Um...I think he was referring to further pay cut attempts and lies the owners are pumping out (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/parsing-mlbs-claim-of-a-4-billion-loss/).

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That’s all true. But Blake pulled the “we’re risking our lives!” If that’s the case, you don’t play, period. But he won’t risk his life for some money, but more money will make it ok? Come on. His mot

You mean like those outings last year before he ended up needing elbow surgery? You might remember me as the harbinger of doom from such threads as Chris Sale 2020 Outlook and Luis Severino 2020 Outlo

"on top of a 33% cut of the half that's already there -- so I'm really getting, like, 25%."   What's he talking about with the 33%?  This was right after he said he shouldn't only get paid half becaus

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1 hour ago, sjs1890 said:

does Snell expect the owners to just pay out of their pocket for this shortened season

Well, that is what they agreed to.

It's not like everyone didn't know playing games in empty stadiums was a possibility when they made the agreement.

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In the case of a potential upcoming short season, I don't see how anyone could even take him in a redraft. Maybe if he drops far enough, definite risk/reward play but it seems like his heart won't be into it and if he does play, will he be looking for any excuse to hit the DL?  

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51 minutes ago, supac720 said:

In the case of a potential upcoming short season, I don't see how anyone could even take him in a redraft. Maybe if he drops far enough, definite risk/reward play but it seems like his heart won't be into it and if he does play, will he be looking for any excuse to hit the DL?  


I not a huge Snell guy but don’t see why he wouldn’t have a similar type of season to any other just cause he said something selfish and not PC. Seems like a stretch of logic. 

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1 hour ago, tucker26 said:


I not a huge Snell guy but don’t see why he wouldn’t have a similar type of season to any other just cause he said something selfish and not PC. Seems like a stretch of logic. 

If they give players the chance to not play or opt out if they don't feel comfortable-- he could be one of the ones that opts out imo. Although from what he said he might want to make some of those millions this year as well. 

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2 hours ago, Theoneupper said:

If they give players the chance to not play or opt out if they don't feel comfortable-- he could be one of the ones that opts out imo. Although from what he said he might want to make some of those millions this year as well. 

He'll play. 

he won't leave the rest of his teammates (if play resumes) - pressure will be too much.

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On 5/18/2020 at 4:39 PM, sjs1890 said:

Na, Blake Snell is a pro its not very hard to ramp back up for a season given they have a month (which they will). Imo Snells just mad because he was set to get paid 7 Million which is a lot more than his base salary of 1 million last year and now he wants "his". Reportedly its supposed to be an 82 game season, so why should he feel entitled for his full salary he's not playing 162, its just stupid. Especially with no or limited fans this year, does Snell expect the owners to just pay out of their pocket for this shortened season just so he can get "his"? Its just moronic he should be grateful to even play for 3.5 million.

 

Entitled?  The argument works much better against the owners in this case.  They signed a contract that I am sure didn't stipulate anything about a shortened season or pro rating.  So the players when they agreed to pro rate their salaries that was already them doing the owners a huge favor.

 

Players can do what they want that's the beauty of this.  They don't have to agree to something they don't want to and that's their right.

 

If he wants to save bullets and not play that's his call not yours or anyone else who is complaining about his comments.

 

Yeah regular people like you and I would be grateful to play for much less than 3.5 million.  But why can't the owners be grateful for being MLB owners?  They can't just be grateful for that opportunity?  They now have to generate profits amidst a pandemic?  How about making the investment so you don't lose the fan base?  How about playing to bring a championship to your city? 

 

There are a million things the owners could do this for other than making money this year because let's be honest every single owner in the MLB has made a ton more money than these players without having to play or put up the health risk.  They don't even put up money risk, and this is just another perfect example of that.

 

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1 hour ago, Rotocious said:

 

Entitled?  The argument works much better against the owners in this case.  They signed a contract that I am sure didn't stipulate anything about a shortened season or pro rating.  So the players when they agreed to pro rate their salaries that was already them doing the owners a huge favor.

 

Players can do what they want that's the beauty of this.  They don't have to agree to something they don't want to and that's their right.

 

If he wants to save bullets and not play that's his call not yours or anyone else who is complaining about his comments.

 

Yeah regular people like you and I would be grateful to play for much less than 3.5 million.  But why can't the owners be grateful for being MLB owners?  They can't just be grateful for that opportunity?  They now have to generate profits amidst a pandemic?  How about making the investment so you don't lose the fan base?  How about playing to bring a championship to your city? 

 

There are a million things the owners could do this for other than making money this year because let's be honest every single owner in the MLB has made a ton more money than these players without having to play or put up the health risk.  They don't even put up money risk, and this is just another perfect example of that.

 

Except that the owners hold all the leverage, every bit of it. If the players don't agree to what the owners want then no season simple as that. It makes no sense to lose millions of dollars just so you can have the season. F it then no season if the players don't agree.

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10 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Except that the owners hold all the leverage, every bit of it. If the players don't agree to what the owners want then no season simple as that. It makes no sense to lose millions of dollars just so you can have the season. F it then no season if the players don't agree.

 

The owners do not hold all the leverage.  They hold a lot yes.  But they certainly don't hold even close to all of it.

 

Also Blake Snell and other high profile players not playing doesn't equate to no season.  Just because the PA comes to an agreement doesn't mean every single player is going to agree to it.  So they have the right to sit this one out and I can't fault a pitcher for wanting to save bullets.  Especially ones who already got contracts and don't need the service time to get to and through arbitration.

 

The owners need to step up and actually make an investment into the sport.  Too often they have reaped big rewards for things like tax payer stadiums.  They say they get to make all this money because of the risks they take well here's the time they need to take a risk because the player's risk has certainly gone up.  Even if they lost money 1 season in what possibly the history of baseball?  It's ridiculous.  The players are over paid argument has been a terrible one unless you are in fact arguing that owners are too even more over paid.

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But that’s likely not the case. If owners were really would lose money on the season why would they be entertaining the idea at all? The numbers the owners present have already been shown to be misleading by fangraphs and BP. Interesting standoff. Too many casual on lookers are gonna side against the players. 

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3 hours ago, tucker26 said:

But that’s likely not the case. If owners were really would lose money on the season why would they be entertaining the idea at all? The numbers the owners present have already been shown to be misleading by fangraphs and BP. Interesting standoff. Too many casual on lookers are gonna side against the players. 

It's the old "rooting for laundry" thing.

Except they're actually rooting for the rich old guy that hired someone to make the shirt.

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12 hours ago, tucker26 said:

But that’s likely not the case. If owners were really would lose money on the season why would they be entertaining the idea at all? The numbers the owners present have already been shown to be misleading by fangraphs and BP. Interesting standoff. Too many casual on lookers are gonna side against the players. 

They would entertain the idea because they know the players will want to eventually play to try and make as much money as they can. So of course the owners will try and get the best deal they can as they should. That's how things go in a capitalistic society, and eventually you'd think the players would cave in to the owners or bye bye 2020 season.

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6 hours ago, sjs1890 said:

They would entertain the idea because they know the players will want to eventually play to try and make as much money as they can. So of course the owners will try and get the best deal they can as they should. That's how things go in a capitalistic society, and eventually you'd think the players would cave in to the owners or bye bye 2020 season.


so then it becomes obvious they won’t lose money...I’ve seen the “who has leverage“ go very deep on other sites https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/05/mlb-emails-salary-mlbpa-dispute.html (Here is one of those sites, read comments) so and in the end it’s just standoff. Don’t really care to see it go through the motions here (but it probably will). I’m hopefully they figure it out soon cause if June kicks off and there is no baseball, odds of a 2020 season decrease a lot. 

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People really think these owners have bottomless pockets.  "They own other businesses so have other money coming in"  Not realizing how hard a lot of these businesses have been hit by COVID19.  In the worst cases, you might see teams having to be sold.  What if there are no buyers or the value of the team goes way down.  These players need to realize its one season that sucks for everyone and make a compromise for the better good.  Teams have already been crippled by having 1 bad contract, nevermind 5 or 10.

 

It's very selfish of a clown like Blake Snell and others.  What owners are going to want to pay players in the upcoming offseason after this?  Especially not knowing what to expect in 2021. But guys like Harper and Snell have their contracts so what do they care. You could see a recession in pro contracts too.  Its a rather minor sacrifice to Snell and these other guys who are in a gifted position.  It's also lame that Snell sucked last year.  It's almost like if Giancarlo Stanton came out saying he needs to get all of his money.  Someone like Ozzie Albies might get some sympathy like yea pay him the full money.  He's already grossly underpaid.

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1 hour ago, MrBrown said:

People really think these owners have bottomless pockets.  "They own other businesses so have other money coming in"  Not realizing how hard a lot of these businesses have been hit by COVID19.  In the worst cases, you might see teams having to be sold.  What if there are no buyers or the value of the team goes way down.  These players need to realize its one season that sucks for everyone and make a compromise for the better good.  Teams have already been crippled by having 1 bad contract, nevermind 5 or 10.

 

It's very selfish of a clown like Blake Snell and others.  What owners are going to want to pay players in the upcoming offseason after this?  Especially not knowing what to expect in 2021. But guys like Harper and Snell have their contracts so what do they care. You could see a recession in pro contracts too.  Its a rather minor sacrifice to Snell and these other guys who are in a gifted position.  It's also lame that Snell sucked last year.  It's almost like if Giancarlo Stanton came out saying he needs to get all of his money.  Someone like Ozzie Albies might get some sympathy like yea pay him the full money.  He's already grossly underpaid.

Exactly right, Blake Snell is a idiot has no sympathy for the pandemic that we are enduring. This is gonna backfire on Snell for a long time.

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2 hours ago, MrBrown said:

People really think these owners have bottomless pockets.  "They own other businesses so have other money coming in"  Not realizing how hard a lot of these businesses have been hit by COVID19.  In the worst cases, you might see teams having to be sold.  What if there are no buyers or the value of the team goes way down.  These players need to realize its one season that sucks for everyone and make a compromise for the better good.  Teams have already been crippled by having 1 bad contract, nevermind 5 or 10.

 

It's very selfish of a clown like Blake Snell and others.  What owners are going to want to pay players in the upcoming offseason after this?  Especially not knowing what to expect in 2021. But guys like Harper and Snell have their contracts so what do they care. You could see a recession in pro contracts too.  Its a rather minor sacrifice to Snell and these other guys who are in a gifted position.  It's also lame that Snell sucked last year.  It's almost like if Giancarlo Stanton came out saying he needs to get all of his money.  Someone like Ozzie Albies might get some sympathy like yea pay him the full money.  He's already grossly underpaid.

I think if anyone thinks that "owners have bottomless pockets" it's because they don't reveal their books publicly.

The fact of the matter is simple, in a revenue share model, players become partners with owners.  You can't reasonably expect someone to go into a partnership with you if you don't show them what the business is worth.  Who would willingly trade a fixed salary for a mystery box?

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On 5/20/2020 at 10:37 AM, sjs1890 said:

Except that the owners hold all the leverage, every bit of it. If the players don't agree to what the owners want then no season simple as that. It makes no sense to lose millions of dollars just so you can have the season. F it then no season if the players don't agree.

Some players get paid 5k per day if there isn’t a season. Think they will be fine. 

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3 hours ago, MrBrown said:

People really think these owners have bottomless pockets.  "They own other businesses so have other money coming in"  Not realizing how hard a lot of these businesses have been hit by COVID19.  In the worst cases, you might see teams having to be sold.  What if there are no buyers or the value of the team goes way down.  These players need to realize its one season that sucks for everyone and make a compromise for the better good.  Teams have already been crippled by having 1 bad contract, nevermind 5 or 10.

 

It's very selfish of a clown like Blake Snell and others.  What owners are going to want to pay players in the upcoming offseason after this?  Especially not knowing what to expect in 2021. But guys like Harper and Snell have their contracts so what do they care. You could see a recession in pro contracts too.  Its a rather minor sacrifice to Snell and these other guys who are in a gifted position.  It's also lame that Snell sucked last year.  It's almost like if Giancarlo Stanton came out saying he needs to get all of his money.  Someone like Ozzie Albies might get some sympathy like yea pay him the full money.  He's already grossly underpaid.

Aren’t Albies and Snell paid essentially about the same?

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1 hour ago, MrBrown said:

No, not even close.  Albies was set to make $1M this year and Snell was set to make $7M.

Ah thought they both signed deals in the similar 10m per. Forgot, Albies was more like 5m. 

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9 hours ago, MrBrown said:

People really think these owners have bottomless pockets.  "They own other businesses so have other money coming in"  Not realizing how hard a lot of these businesses have been hit by COVID19.  In the worst cases, you might see teams having to be sold.  What if there are no buyers or the value of the team goes way down.  These players need to realize its one season that sucks for everyone and make a compromise for the better good.  Teams have already been crippled by having 1 bad contract, nevermind 5 or 10.

 

It's very selfish of a clown like Blake Snell and others.  What owners are going to want to pay players in the upcoming offseason after this?  Especially not knowing what to expect in 2021. But guys like Harper and Snell have their contracts so what do they care. You could see a recession in pro contracts too.  Its a rather minor sacrifice to Snell and these other guys who are in a gifted position.  It's also lame that Snell sucked last year.  It's almost like if Giancarlo Stanton came out saying he needs to get all of his money.  Someone like Ozzie Albies might get some sympathy like yea pay him the full money.  He's already grossly underpaid.

Why dont the owners take one for the greater good for once? Arguments like this baffle me.  You could change the word player for owner throughout this statement and id agree with it.  

 

Open the books.  I want to see this poverty the owners constantly claim.  When's the last time you saw an owner go broke? 

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2 hours ago, WahooManiac said:

Why dont the owners take one for the greater good for once? Arguments like this baffle me.  You could change the word player for owner throughout this statement and id agree with it.  

 

Open the books.  I want to see this poverty the owners constantly claim.  When's the last time you saw an owner go broke? 

Because there is no need to for the owners. What greater good lol? If the owners just open the books to try and save this season then guess who ends up paying for it in the long run? The paying fans with even more outrageous prices when they allow fans back into the games. America runs on capitalism and the owners hold the trump card.

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4 hours ago, sjs1890 said:

Because there is no need to for the owners. What greater good lol? If the owners just open the books to try and save this season then guess who ends up paying for it in the long run? The paying fans with even more outrageous prices when they allow fans back into the games. America runs on capitalism and the owners hold the trump card.

Why would fans pay more because the owners displayed financial transparency?

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5 hours ago, sjs1890 said:

Because there is no need to for the owners. What greater good lol? If the owners just open the books to try and save this season then guess who ends up paying for it in the long run? The paying fans with even more outrageous prices when they allow fans back into the games. America runs on capitalism and the owners hold the trump card.

The greater good being the existence of baseball.  

 

How many other companies in America,  run on capitalism to use your term,  run with monopoly protection and special taxes? In buildings built often on tax payer dime? 

 

And i also can't make your leap to higher ticket sales in this.  If anything,  it would most likely show how laughable the margins actually are.  

 

Im more tired of hearing about sports owner poverty issues than i am hearing about this virus. 

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1 hour ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Why would fans pay more because the owners displayed financial transparency?

I think the point some people in here are trying to make is that most of these owners got to this point in their life by being shrewd, savvy, and ruthless businessmen. They didn’t invest in an MLB franchise because they wanted to donate some of their personal wealth to bring a championship to a city, they invested because they thought it would be another profitable investment. They’re going to take a loss this year no matter what. They’re going after the players’ salaries this year because that’s their best shot to lessen some of their losses. Fans will also be targeted. You can bet that ticket prices are going up next year. Concessions, parking, and merch prices will also go up. Free agents in the next couple years will also feel the crunch.

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