rex_bulkhead 334 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I just can't resist this situation. They traded arguably the best WR in the game for DJ, they're all-in. DJ just has to be a semblance of what he was and hold up physically. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pastorofmuppets2 10,638 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, rex_bulkhead said: I just can't resist this situation. They traded arguably the best WR in the game for DJ, they're all-in. DJ just has to be a semblance of what he was and hold up physically. i believe there were a couple draft picks tossed in as well, one being a 2nd round pick, iirc. was not a straight up/vanilla deal ⛑ 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Boudewijn 4,722 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, pastorofmuppets2 said: i believe there were a couple draft picks tossed in as well, one being a 2nd round pick, iirc. was not a straight up/vanilla deal ⛑ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2884538-nfl-executive-a-joke-cardinals-got-deandre-hopkins-in-david-johnson-trade Quote Houston traded Hopkins and a fourth-round pick to the Cardinals for Johnson, a second-round pick and a fourth-round pick in next year's draft. So essentially Nuk for DJ plus a 2nd. I have to say, BOB's 2nd round picks have not been terrible: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dreams And Dwightmares 3,229 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Boudewijn said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2884538-nfl-executive-a-joke-cardinals-got-deandre-hopkins-in-david-johnson-trade So essentially Nuk for DJ plus a 2nd. I have to say, BOB's 2nd round picks have not been terrible: Lol, yes they have. And the 2 best ones there were Rick Smith picks. Also don't forget he traded arguable the best WR in the game for a 2nd round pick when other teams were trading MUCH lesser WRs for 1st round picks. And also, don't forget that Nuk Hopkins was under an EXTREMELY team friendly deal for 3 more years. Basically making the same money as (whom many thought / think) washed up RB David Johnson when WR Is a premium position and RB is not. Y'all can say what y'all want about David Johnson and that's fine, I respect everyone's opinion. But I REFUSE to sit around and let anyone say something NOT NEGATIVE about Bill O Brien. F that guy. He's made me hate my team I've been down with since it's origins and he's tearing down the walls of this franchise more every day. He does NOTHING good. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Boudewijn 4,722 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said: Also don't forget he traded arguable the best WR in the game for a 2nd round pick Plus DJ. Look, I get it, I thought it was one of the most stupid trades since the Saints traded 9 draft picks to get Ricky Williams. I don't think BOB traded to get DJ; clearly he wanted to get rid of Nuk (which I don't get because everyone I've ever read says how hard-working and respectful Nuk is). My understanding is they didn't want to pay him an expensive extension. Anyway, that's for the Nuk thread, which is over there: -----> This is the DJ thread, a bit hobbled, but still moving along. Link to post Share on other sites
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Boudewijn 4,722 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said: he's out for blood this year so the value is looking good. As someone who in 2017 read a lot of happy positive statements from DJ, first before the season on how he was going to do 1000/1000, and then during the season on how he was working hard expecting to be back in week X: 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 1,069 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Boudewijn said: As someone who in 2017 read a lot of happy positive statements from DJ, first before the season on how he was going to do 1000/1000, and then during the season on how he was working hard expecting to be back in week X: You know what, I've come around on him for this season. As a DJ owner since after his huge breakout season, I get the wanting to just pass on him. I really do. BUT, at his ADP I think he does offer some real value as a RB2/Flex option just based on projected usage alone. That's assuming he doesn't miss a bunch of game of course. Link to post Share on other sites
Boudewijn 4,722 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, The G Man said: You know what, I've come around on him for this season. As a DJ owner since after his huge breakout season, I get the wanting to just pass on him. I really do. BUT, at his ADP I think he does offer some real value as a RB2/Flex option just based on projected usage alone. That's assuming he doesn't miss a bunch of game of course. To be very clear, I haven't written DJ off completely. I reacted specifically to the positive things DJ is saying - he is an incredibly positive person. Which is great, but it makes him saying he can still have a 1000/1000 season somewhat meaningless. That I'm just not buying. Can he still have a useful (for fantasy) 700/400 season? Yeah, why not, if he is healthy enough to get 15+ touches per game. Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 1,069 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boudewijn said: To be very clear, I haven't written DJ off completely. I reacted specifically to the positive things DJ is saying - he is an incredibly positive person. Which is great, but it makes him saying he can still have a 1000/1000 season somewhat meaningless. That I'm just not buying. Can he still have a useful (for fantasy) 700/400 season? Yeah, why not, if he is healthy enough to get 15+ touches per game. Yeah, think I may have misunderstood your prior post then. Perhaps I was mislead by watching Simon Cowell's head shake from side to side It's all good though as I think you and I are in agreement about DJ and his prospects this season. Carry on, sir. Link to post Share on other sites
Ryansm11 2,163 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Thoughts? A top 3 pick in a 12 team has me wanting to reach on a back at the 2/3 turn. Good situation for him. Texans run the ball a ton. I can’t believe he is 28 already. Is he washed or does he have a 1000/500 season left in the tank? Link to post Share on other sites
sjm76 769 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ryansm11 said: Thoughts? A top 3 pick in a 12 team has me wanting to reach on a back at the 2/3 turn. Good situation for him. Texans run the ball a ton. I can’t believe he is 28 already. Is he washed or does he have a 1000/500 season left in the tank? I drafted him in a league and the first game which should be a shootout against the Chiefs should tell us a lot about how DJ will be used this season. If he can stay healthy (big "if") he should have some big games especially in PPR. Link to post Share on other sites
MyFistYourFace 86 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Ryansm11 said: Thoughts? A top 3 pick in a 12 team has me wanting to reach on a back at the 2/3 turn. Good situation for him. Texans run the ball a ton. I can’t believe he is 28 already. Is he washed or does he have a 1000/500 season left in the tank? It’s tough to gauge. I agree with you that he will get a lot of volume. I just fear he will be this year’s 2017 DeMarco Murray or 2019 Devonta Freeman. Link to post Share on other sites
LionKid90 426 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I usually get burned when I draft guys based on workload rather than ability. There is no doubt that he will get a lot of volume. I’d expect 20+ touches a game, but what can he do with those touches? I’ve drafted based on volume and have gotten bit....Jeremy Hill a few years ago, Lamar Miller when he first came to Houston. I think he is a safe pick if he can stay healthy. His floor should be high because of his workload, but not sure how much he will boom. Link to post Share on other sites
fluffy69 51 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I'll draft a bottle of syrup, it'll run faster. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
aapox 898 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 18 hours ago, Ryansm11 said: Thoughts? A top 3 pick in a 12 team has me wanting to reach on a back at the 2/3 turn. Good situation for him. Texans run the ball a ton. I can’t believe he is 28 already. Is he washed or does he have a 1000/500 season left in the tank? I absolutely would not draft him that early. I got him at 6.04 in my 12 team commish league last night because NO ONE wanted him. I'm super happy with that value, but still aware there's a more-than-standard risk of it being a wasted pick. Link to post Share on other sites
aapox 898 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I think something important to be optimistic about (cuz I kinda have bias to be now, acknowledged!) is that BOB is handing over play-calling to this offense now. Thank goodness. So, don't expect to see the same offense as the last couple years. It seems to me like they're going to do a lot of vertical routes to open up space in the middle of the field for guys like DJ, Cobb, and whomever of Fuller/Cooks/Stills isn't burning. I really do think that DJ can have a really good receiving total because I do expect more of this offense to be built around Watson and their pass % to go up. Also, the O-Line is about as good as it's been there in years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorSpaceman 2,523 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) On 8/27/2020 at 7:36 PM, Ryansm11 said: Thoughts? A top 3 pick in a 12 team has me wanting to reach on a back at the 2/3 turn. Good situation for him. Texans run the ball a ton. I can’t believe he is 28 already. Is he washed or does he have a 1000/500 season left in the tank? I wouldn't be able to rationalize having him on my radar there. I have pick #2 in a 12 team league and I am however considering reaching for Fournette or Gordon after the turn in round 3, both of whom are comparably polarizing to Johnson. So what do I know? Edited August 29, 2020 by SenatorSpaceman Link to post Share on other sites
pastorofmuppets2 10,638 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 2:33 PM, aapox said: I think something important to be optimistic about (cuz I kinda have bias to be now, acknowledged!) is that BOB is handing over play-calling to this offense now. Thank goodness. So, don't expect to see the same offense as the last couple years. It seems to me like they're going to do a lot of vertical routes to open up space in the middle of the field for guys like DJ, Cobb, and whomever of Fuller/Cooks/Stills isn't burning. I really do think that DJ can have a really good receiving total because I do expect more of this offense to be built around Watson and their pass % to go up. Also, the O-Line is about as good as it's been there in years. ... all sounds good, and i agree with the take - 'cept one of the leeg's premier receiving backs is also on the roster - Duke gon' get alotta burn this year, and i'd rather wait on him later than burn higher capital on DJ. Link to post Share on other sites
DerrickHenrysCleats 6,035 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Any RB playing with Watson is worthy of attention. That said, I wouldn't reach for DJ, if he falls too far I'd take him or if I went 0 RB I'd take him but mostly I would pass for better options. If he proves me wrong I won't be shocked, Watson is a legit threat to account for and usually allows the RBs some nice running lanes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SadFaceHappy 2,049 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I'm hoping he'll be a lower priced option in auction, after everyone has blown their stacks on the top backs. Yahoo has him really low in their pecking order. I certainly don't trust him, but he's a good rb2 option if you can get him around $20. The possibility of 1200+ yards, 10+ TDs is there, even if it's not exactly likely Link to post Share on other sites
CooL 3,267 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I'm optimistic about him. Yes, he didn't look great last year, but what other 4th/5th round RBs are out there that have the possibility of being three down backs? Everyone is worried about Duke, but they're already on record saying they're going to use 21 personnel and have them both out there at the same time. They didn't trade away Hopkins just to get a two down thumper. DJ still has elite receiving skills and I expect him to surprise a lot of people this year. Link to post Share on other sites
pastorofmuppets2 10,638 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, CooL said: I'm optimistic about him. Yes, he didn't look great last year, but what other 4th/5th round RBs are out there that have the possibility of being three down backs? Everyone is worried about Duke, but they're already on record saying they're going to use 21 personnel and have them both out there at the same time. They didn't trade away Hopkins just to get a two down thumper. DJ still has elite receiving skills and I expect him to surprise a lot of people this year. i'm not "worried" about Duke - i'm excited to draft him at what i consider a better value point than DJ. i'm not necessarily knocking DJ - just saysin' what i says 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Panthers8912 713 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Weird how there’s so much concern around DJ but duke isn’t going higher. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sjm76 769 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Panthers8912 said: Weird how there’s so much concern around DJ but duke isn’t going higher. Duke still isn't going higher likely because David Johnson is also a pass-catching back and that is Duke's specialty. I read that the coaches want to have both Duke and David on the field for certain packages but overall, I think he'll need a David Johnson injury to be relevant. Link to post Share on other sites
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